Epicenter fix

TheRealTechN9NE · 08-04-2009, 10:06 AM

I already posted this in the old forums.
But as noone gives a shit about the old forums anymore I decided to just copy it all into here.
CTRL+V!!!

Hi,
after reading these forums for about 50 years, it's time for my first post.

Ill start off with a suggestion concerning Sandkings Epicenter+Blink combo. After searching the forums for a while, I didnt find a suggestion like this, I may also be wrong. If such a topic already exists, just delete it.
I always thought that waypointing Epicenter and Dagger - for those who don't know how this works: press shift and hold it, click epicenter, wait 1 second, click dagger and where you want to blink, release shift - would make you hit all 6/8/10 pulses of Epicenter. However, you will always lose 1 pulse, regardless on whether you use waypointing (Shift + click for mentally disabled people like Grom) or not. So the ulti is effectively reduced to 5/7/9 pulses.

My suggestion is quite simple:
Add another small delay between the channeling of Epi and the time where the pulses start to go off.
I don't know how long the hero needs to blink with Dagger, to the eye it looks like 0.00001 seconds or something.
If you add a delay which lasts as long as the hero needs to blink into enemies, it would provide Sandking can actually make FULL use of his ulti also when using Dagger. The delay time doesnt belong to the channeling anymore, so if SK is stunned during this little delay (unprobable anyway, but hey), Epicenter will still go off.

I don't think the 110 extra damage he will gain when pulling off the Epicenter+Blink combo will make him imbalanced, as he suffered from several nerfs in the past anyway, but I'm confident it will help him.

The Observer · 08-04-2009, 10:15 AM

press epi + press shift blink = full hits on pulses.

buy aghs for another +1 bonus pulse.

HappyCat · 08-04-2009, 10:44 AM

^ No you will not. You will always lose one pulse from blink dagger. Please read the whole wall of text before poting.

T-up on this suggestion

The Observer · 08-04-2009, 10:49 AM

really? my classmate can do full pulses everytime he plays SK, he even brags about it. i might go and post a replay when we play but i don't know how.

HappyCat · 08-04-2009, 10:55 AM

Your classmate is a liar then.

The Observer · 08-04-2009, 11:09 AM

well how can he lie if i've seen it on all our games?

EDIT: all our games where he uses SK?

HappyCat · 08-04-2009, 12:26 PM

That means you're wrong too.

The Observer · 08-04-2009, 01:27 PM

ok i give up. buy aghs, he gets an exchange for the missing pulse.

king_james · 08-04-2009, 01:29 PM

Sure, T-up.

It would be a major buff to SK, but its fine.

Wrong forum, btw.

Lethal-Angel · 08-04-2009, 01:34 PM

T-up!
+ Shiva>>>aghs, if u want to improve his Epicenter.

Zirath · 08-04-2009, 01:37 PM

This should probably be in remake or other forums. But a good suggestion anyways.

Jay.J · 08-04-2009, 02:04 PM

Thumbs up.

@asam3: Really, read the whole thread. You always miss one pulse when you Shift + Que. You just might not notice the one pulse you lost.

Cp6uja · 08-04-2009, 02:30 PM

Moved to others.

TheRealTechN9NE · 08-04-2009, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asam3

ok i give up. buy aghs, he gets an exchange for the missing pulse.

I always thought Aghanims was there to improve ults, not to allow players to actually make full use of them.
Must have missed something.

Burrow+Epi is a tactic that doesnt work btw, please dont start to argument with this now.

KenpachiSlardar · 08-04-2009, 10:38 PM

thumbs up

desOo · 08-08-2009, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asam3

ok i give up. buy aghs, he gets an exchange for the missing pulse.

OMFG what an id*ot says:
"Buy aghs he gives you the missing pulse".
OMG get a brain.. It's like if some1 say:" hey Queen of Pain has wrote that she has 0.3 attack animation but she hits in 0.6".
Your answer: Buy Hand of Midas!

OMG

Get. a. brain.

MMh, I dunno if t-up or not, since it helps you on dagger+epi combo but if you don't have dagger it's another delay S: ..Dunno atm.

Lycan · 08-08-2009, 02:27 PM

Jup

can't give any reason to disagree....

garst · 08-08-2009, 03:28 PM

I like your suggestion. T-up!

TheRealTechN9NE · 08-08-2009, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desOo

MMh, I dunno if t-up or not, since it helps you on dagger+epi combo but if you don't have dagger it's another delay S: ..Dunno atm.

The delay is minor as hell.

In 999999999 of 1000000000 cases it will not affect the outcome of your fight in a negative way.

NoThlnG · 08-09-2009, 04:59 AM

buy bkb => problem fixed. Haha...

BTW, I like this suggestion. T-Up

08-04-2009, 10:06 AM	#1
TheRealTechN9NE Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 149	Epicenter fix I already posted this in the old forums. But as noone gives a shit about the old forums anymore I decided to just copy it all into here. CTRL+V!!! Hi, after reading these forums for about 50 years, it's time for my first post. Ill start off with a suggestion concerning Sandkings Epicenter+Blink combo. After searching the forums for a while, I didnt find a suggestion like this, I may also be wrong. If such a topic already exists, just delete it. I always thought that waypointing Epicenter and Dagger - for those who don't know how this works: press shift and hold it, click epicenter, wait 1 second, click dagger and where you want to blink, release shift - would make you hit all 6/8/10 pulses of Epicenter. However, you will always lose 1 pulse, regardless on whether you use waypointing (Shift + click for mentally disabled people like Grom) or not. So the ulti is effectively reduced to 5/7/9 pulses. My suggestion is quite simple: Add another small delay between the channeling of Epi and the time where the pulses start to go off. I don't know how long the hero needs to blink with Dagger, to the eye it looks like 0.00001 seconds or something. If you add a delay which lasts as long as the hero needs to blink into enemies, it would provide Sandking can actually make FULL use of his ulti also when using Dagger. The delay time doesnt belong to the channeling anymore, so if SK is stunned during this little delay (unprobable anyway, but hey), Epicenter will still go off. I don't think the 110 extra damage he will gain when pulling off the Epicenter+Blink combo will make him imbalanced, as he suffered from several nerfs in the past anyway, but I'm confident it will help him. __________________ Current suggestions: Cosmetic: -Spirit Lance visuals Balance/Remakes: Scaling Geminate Attack/\/Epicenter+Blink fix/\/Sanity's Eclipse remake/\/Nether Ward buff _____________________________________________ Don't be calling me dog cause I want you to say it backwards

08-04-2009, 10:15 AM	#2
The Observer Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Starton Manila. Posts: 5,621 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Epicenter fix press epi + press shift blink = full hits on pulses. buy aghs for another +1 bonus pulse. __________________ Having a DotA 2 beta key is like being given a zombie cure. The mindless begging ends, along with the lack of social interaction with anyone. It's like you're all just there for the key, but once you get the key, the pain subsides and you get a little warmer inside.

08-04-2009, 10:44 AM	#3
HappyCat Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,280	Re: Epicenter fix ^ No you will not. You will always lose one pulse from blink dagger. Please read the whole wall of text before poting. T-up on this suggestion

08-04-2009, 10:49 AM	#4
The Observer Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Starton Manila. Posts: 5,621 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Epicenter fix really? my classmate can do full pulses everytime he plays SK, he even brags about it. i might go and post a replay when we play but i don't know how. __________________ Having a DotA 2 beta key is like being given a zombie cure. The mindless begging ends, along with the lack of social interaction with anyone. It's like you're all just there for the key, but once you get the key, the pain subsides and you get a little warmer inside.

08-04-2009, 10:55 AM	#5
HappyCat Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,280	Re: Epicenter fix Your classmate is a liar then.

08-04-2009, 11:09 AM	#6
The Observer Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Starton Manila. Posts: 5,621 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Epicenter fix well how can he lie if i've seen it on all our games? EDIT: all our games where he uses SK? __________________ Having a DotA 2 beta key is like being given a zombie cure. The mindless begging ends, along with the lack of social interaction with anyone. It's like you're all just there for the key, but once you get the key, the pain subsides and you get a little warmer inside.

08-04-2009, 12:26 PM	#7
HappyCat Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,280	Re: Epicenter fix That means you're wrong too.

08-04-2009, 01:27 PM	#8
The Observer Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Starton Manila. Posts: 5,621 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Epicenter fix ok i give up. buy aghs, he gets an exchange for the missing pulse. __________________ Having a DotA 2 beta key is like being given a zombie cure. The mindless begging ends, along with the lack of social interaction with anyone. It's like you're all just there for the key, but once you get the key, the pain subsides and you get a little warmer inside.

08-04-2009, 01:29 PM	#9
king_james Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Makati City, Philippines Posts: 4,153 Blog Entries: 6	Re: Epicenter fix Sure, T-up. It would be a major buff to SK, but its fine. Wrong forum, btw. __________________ My pride and honor:

08-04-2009, 01:34 PM	#10
Lethal-Angel Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 157	Re: Epicenter fix T-up! + Shiva>>>aghs, if u want to improve his Epicenter.

08-04-2009, 01:37 PM	#11
Zirath Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Wherever Posts: 1,836	Re: Epicenter fix This should probably be in remake or other forums. But a good suggestion anyways. __________________ While I have partially returned to the forums, I am still not making test maps. If you have a small request, you can PM and I will try to work something out, but I do not have the time to make full test maps.

08-04-2009, 02:04 PM	#12
Jay.J Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 1,893	Re: Epicenter fix Thumbs up. @asam3: Really, read the whole thread. You always miss one pulse when you Shift + Que. You just might not notice the one pulse you lost. __________________

08-04-2009, 02:30 PM	#13
Cp6uja Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Serbia Posts: 19,052 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Epicenter fix Moved to others. __________________ Increase DotA Speed Free Steam game PDIH RGC Dotalicious-Gaming Increase DotA speed for about 10 fps here. Want fast and stable DotA? Go here! Team Fortress 2 is now FREE TO DOWNLOAD! How to join is here under How to Apply/Join. League with Reconnection Tool, Stats tracking, no Leavers and multiaccounts. CLICK

08-04-2009, 10:38 PM	#15
KenpachiSlardar Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: US Posts: 1,079	Re: Epicenter fix thumbs up

08-08-2009, 03:28 PM	#18
garst Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3	Re: Epicenter fix I like your suggestion. T-up!

08-09-2009, 04:59 AM	#20
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