[INT-SENT] Icarus, the Phoenix (w/ Testmap!)

[NoThlnG]

Phoenix
Icarus

Background Story: The Elder Phoenix Icarus was once bound to Kael; he could summon him on a whim. However, their blood pact was broken when Kael sold his soul to Ner'Zhul. With no master to whom he must bow, Icarus was reborn. Now free to fight for him own ideals, he uses him incendiary strength to defend the World Tree. (Credits to bimjowen)

Strength - 21 + 1.8
Agility - 14 + 1.7
Intelligence - 22 + 2.5






Hidden Flame - (Active, Instant)



Notes:

• After the duration, Icarus will loses his hp and mana with same rate as he gain

Burning Feather - (Active, Instant)



Notes:

• 100 damage is direct hp removal which means you can't deny yourself with this
• Gain 2 subskills, "Explode" and "Feather Teleport"
• All feathers will be disappeared when one of the subskills are used

Tears of the Phoenix - (Passive)



Notes:

• Have 1 seconds cooldown which means you can't heal more than once per seconds

Funeral Pyre - (Active, Instant)



Notes:

• The egg is magic immune and has 10 armor
• Icarus will have half hp and mana on revival

Testmap (Credits to Sgt Failure)

[Drikam]

You know this is a male name?

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by Drikam

You know this is a male name?

We usually use her in animal name doesn't we?

Well, also, he or she isn't that important in my opinion.. ^^

[pick-a-chew]

The hero seems to be like a grenade, once it blows up it isn't very useful lol :S.

Let me get this right, cast Hidden Flame, wait 10 sec, get Lothars and use it, cast Burning Feathers right on top of your enemy and then click "blow up all feathers"?. I believe thats 1600 damage, and then you can turn into an egg thing :O

Just my perspective ;<

[R.B.Economy]

Hidden Flame
You get a bonus that must be used within 10 seconds or waste it, fair enough. Original and sweet. T-up

Burning Feather
Powerful AOE nuke, and it reminds me of Sun Wu-Kong from a Chinese folklore. Why self-damage though? Even if self damaging, he should take less damage, maybe 50%. Don't force a synergy for the 1st ability. The blink-like ability is great and original too. However I think the description is weird, unclear and you need icons for the sub-skills. T-up.

Tears of the Phoenix
The concept is nice but the numbers are out of hand as I see it. The chance should not trigger every time you/ally gets damaged within the AOE, but every time you/ally gets damaged for (X amount and above). The current version is imba because the heal will trigger too frequent if any of you is affected by a DOT effect like Shadow Word, Radiance, etc. I also see the synergy with the first 2 abilities though. T-up.

Funeral Pyre
From all the egg-phoenix thing that all other phoenix suggestions have, I actually like this one. It has synergy with other abilities and I see him being played as an INT tank/AOE damager, much like Krob. T-up too.

As for numbers, I think it's weird. I would suggest it to be like this instead :

Funeral Pyre

Under threat, Fawkes turns himself into a defensive form which is immune to physical attacks. In this form, all damage taken will be 100% returned as magical damage to nearby enemies within 600 AOE. If Fawkes is not killed under this form, he is reborn with 50% health and mana, with his abilities refreshed. Lasts 7 seconds.

Level 1 - 300 health, 5 armor.
Level 2 - 450 health, 10 armor.
Level 3 - 600 health, 15 armor.

Cooldown: 120
Mana Cost: 100/150/200

I didn't mention the word 'egg' here although it's actually used as part of the ability because I think the word sounds weird in description. This ultimate actually disables yourself and your team lost a hero for 7 seconds, which has high chance to die. I suggest immunity to physical damage instead of magic damage because it helps the team more. Vulnerable to magic damage means higher chance for Fawkes to get killed quicker, but that's his role for being a tank, to take all the punishments in place of his team mates. If he eats that Hellfire Blast or Laguna Blade, it's worth it. As he gets damaged, 100% of damage is returned to 600 AOE. That's already a good trade. It forces the enemies to make a hard choice, either focus nukes on you and eat the damage return, or attack your friends ignoring you for 7 seconds, but you get resurrected with refreshed abilities ready to unleash your AOE spells again.

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by Eethn

Burning Feather
Powerful AOE nuke, and it reminds me of Sun Wu-Kong from a Chinese folklore. Why self-damage though? Even if self damaging, he should take less damage, maybe 50%. Don't force a synergy for the 1st ability. The blink-like ability is great and original too. However I think the description is weird, unclear and you need icons for the sub-skills. T-up

You'll get hurt if a part of you body is removed isn't it? So does birds. They'll hurt if their feather are removed so he should take damage for it. Hmm... I think half damage is better... For subskill, I'll update it

Originally Posted by Eethn

Tears of the Phoenix
The concept is nice but the numbers are out of hand as I see it. The chance should not trigger every time you/ally gets damaged within the AOE, but every time you/ally gets damaged for (X amount and above). The current version is imba because the heal will trigger too frequent if any of you is affected by a DOT effect like Shadow Word, Radiance, etc. I also see the synergy with the first 2 abilities though. T-up

But it will too similar to healing "apothic shield". I think current is good enough since it's percentage isn't that high.

Originally Posted by Eethn

Funeral Pyre
I didn't mention the word 'egg' here although it's actually used as part of the ability because I think the word sounds weird in description.

Originally Posted by Eethn

This ultimate actually disables yourself and your team lost a hero for 7 seconds, which has high chance to die. I suggest immunity to physical damage instead of magic damage because it helps the team more. Vulnerable to magic damage means higher chance for Fawkes to get killed quicker, but that's his role for being a tank, to take all the punishments in place of his team mates. If he eats that Hellfire Blast or Laguna Blade, it's worth it. As he gets damaged, 100% of damage is returned to 600 AOE. That's already a good trade. It forces the enemies to make a hard choice, either focus nukes on you and eat the damage return, or attack your friends ignoring you for 7 seconds, but you get resurrected with refreshed abilities ready to unleash your AOE spells again.

Immunity to physical damage is much more imba since you'll just need to cast a global silence and you'll have only 2 seconds to revive. I think magic immune is better.

Also, your suggestion is making it like a defensive form while what I want to make is a "reborn". Which will makes your hp and mana back to half.

For team playing, this is how she does :

1. Use first skill for tanking
2. Second skill will harass enemy or make her blink to the middle of war
3. Third skill will support team for more survivability
4. When your hp turns low, use ulti for damaging. And you can revive again though you can die before it. But with enough support (some AoE disabler) I have no doubt that she'll revive almost 100% at time.

[NeWnAr]

I think burning feather's self-inflicted damage should land when the feathers leaves the pheonix and it should be a set damage no matter the skill level.

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by newnar2004

I think burning feather's self-inflicted damage should land when the feathers leaves the pheonix and it should be a set damage no matter the skill level.

your suggestion accepted

[YouSuckAtDotA]

Harry Potter Name Blows.

Change it and I'll review.

[NoThlnG]

Name changed

[bimjowen]

Originally Posted by YouSuckAtDotA

Harry Potter Name Blows.

Change it and I'll review.

Harry Potter name was fine.

Your douchebag haircut blows.

Yes, I logged in just to say that

[bimjowen]

Originally Posted by NoThlnG

Name changed

Nothing, my feelings on this hero are still the same. Agility or Intelligence, as long as he isn't a Strength hero I think he'll be just fine.

Also -- give me my story-credit in this post too, please! <3

Oh, and you might want to clean up some of the tooltips. His name is still Fawkes in certain spots in the post.

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by bimjowen

Nothing, my feelings on this hero are still the same. Agility or Intelligence, as long as he isn't a Strength hero I think he'll be just fine.

Also -- give me my story-credit in this post too, please! <3

Oh, and you might want to clean up some of the tooltips. His name is still Fawkes in certain spots in the post.

Sry forgot to include your name in the story-credit... I've included it now.

I haven't find name "Fakwes" inside of the post... Could you please tell me where?

[hajasmarci]

A phoenix should be associated with creation, renewal and light, not with suicideattack and explosions imo.

The hero itself scales badly, and i don't see how the spells are supposed to work together.

And one more thing: nonsinging phoenix?

(T-up for the teleport to feathers concept. Original, neat, useful. Just make it less explosive =D)

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by hajasmarci

A phoenix should be associated with creation, renewal and light, not with suicideattack and explosions imo.

Err... I think that's just a one's opinion about phoenix. There are tons of story about phoenix so maybe what you said is true.

But, see phoenix in wc3 itself. She'll deals damage to herself per second until she died then revived again with the form of egg. Also, most phoenix are "burning" so I think explosion is quite suit for her.

Originally Posted by hajasmarci

The hero itself scales badly, and i don't see how the spells are supposed to work together.

I haven't put skill synergies here. But I think it synergize well each other.

1st skill : Synergize well with 2nd skill by reducing the hp reduction impact. Synergize well with ulti since it increase the damage of ulti.

2nd skill : Synergize well with 1st skill. Synergize well with 3rd skill since 3rd skill will reduces the damage receive from this. Synergize well with ulti since ulti needs phoenix to be in low hp to deal greater damage.

3rd skill : Synergize well with 2nd skill.

Ulti : Synergize well with 1st and 2nd skill.

Originally Posted by hajasmarci

And one more thing: nonsinging phoenix?

Phoenix doesn't need to sing. Also, if I give singing skill to her, it would be quite similar to naga siren since she already has singing skill

Originally Posted by hajasmarci

(T-up for the teleport to feathers concept. Original, neat, useful. Just make it less explosive =D)

Thx 4 positive feedback

[IAmNikZ]

This hero will cry a lot xD Ulti may be a little weak, at least if i understood it right. Anyways..T-UP, i like the concept

[NoThlnG]

hmph... many people says it was strong so I nerf it. Btw it deals damage as hp lost so if you're at low hp it will deals quite a lot of damage

[Whitefang]

Burning Feather concept doesn't really make sense to me. How could a feather contain her soul? Soul should be only one for each person/animal and it is not in the feather but in the body. Btw, I think fire magic type concept will be nice to replace this.

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by Whitefang

Burning Feather concept doesn't really make sense to me. How could a feather contain her soul? Soul should be only one for each person/animal and it is not in the feather but in the body. Btw, I think fire magic type concept will be nice to replace this.

Hmm... Not exactly her soul I mean here but she still have link with feather or something similar so she can control it well.

This is also the fire magic concept you saying though it works rather different.

I don't think of changing this skill for now... Maybe I should change the description a bit..

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Changed the description a bit...

Also gave cap on 2nd skill...

[NeWnAr]

Ult too weak. The egg will get owned in seconds with 600hp and 10 armour at max level. Buff it strongly or make it a STR hero in order for the 45% of hp to be of any significance.