[Misc] Current Competitive Heroes in 6.62

[Vindicate]

Introduction

Here is a compilation of heroes used in High & Pro-skill scene. Heroes are identified by their likelihood of being picked or banned, a brief description of his role on the team. This list is very European / North American based, but it still may apply to the Asian Scene.

Source of Information:

GosuGamers - Large Tournament matches and IDEC Inhouse matches
SGamer - Chinese website with a Hero Search Engine of Replays
Dota Replay Parser - Searching replays through known players and clans

Note:
1) This is list of competitive bans, if you want to justify something is plain wrong then please provide replays of at least a Mid-High skill replay.
2) Note that IDEC matches with mixed players are not as reliable as scrims and Tournaments.
3) Description of each hero is brief, if you want to learn more then click on the guide linked.
4) If you want your guide to be linked here, PM me. I will consult with a few members on PD whether your guide is competitive comprehensive.

Legend:
Hero = Hero
Role = Primary Role
Other Role = Secondary role(s) or Alternate role(s)
Banned = Likelihood of Banned
Picked = Likelihood of Picked
Pop := Popularity compared to 6.59d
+ = Greatly Increased
+ = Increased
. = No Change
- = Decreased
Guide = Someone's Guide if available

Hero	Role	Other Roles	Banned?	Picked?	Pop	Guide
	Initiate	Gank, AoE	Auto / Always	1st Picked	n/a
	Carry	Gank	Auto / Always	1st Picked	n/a
	Roam	Rune & Lane Control	Always	1st Picked	.
	Tank	Initiator, Anti-Push	Always	1st Picked	.
	Support	Initiate, Carry	Very Likely	1st Picked	.
	Carry	Push, Disable	Very Likely	1st Picked	.
	Roam	Disable, Heal, Ward	Very Likely	Verly Likely	.
	Roam	Rune & Map Control	Very Likely	Very Likely	+	Zan's
	Semi-Carry	Tank, Babysitter	Very Likely	Very Likely	+
	Carry	Roam, Anti-Chen, Tank	Very Likely	Very Likely	+	Bergson
	Debuff	Heal, Ward	Likely	Very Likely	+	Vindicate
	Roam	Gank, Anti Push	Likely	Likely	+
	Gank	AoE	Sometimes	Always	.	Merlini
	Roam	Initiate, Ward	Rarely	Always	.
	Semi-Carry	Roam, Initiate	Sometimes	Likely	.
	Carry	Gank	Sometimes	Likely	+
	Initiate	Gank	Rarely	Always	.
	Tank	Initiate	Sometimes	Sometimes	-
	Gank	Disable, Initiate	Sometimes	Likely	-	Noobish-Noob
	Babysitter	AoE, Anti-Death, Ward	Rarely	Sometimes	+
	Babysitter	Ward, Gank, Mana	Sometimes	Likely	-
	Carry	Gank	Rarely	Sometimes	-
	Carry	Initiate, Gank	Sometimes	Likely	-
	Carry	Support, Anti-Tank	Sometimes	Sometimes	-
	Carry	Gank, Anti-Blink	Rarely	Sometimes	-
	Carry	Tank, Anti-Combo	Rarely	Sometimes	+
	Carry	Gank, Anti Blink	Rarely	Sometimes	+
	Carry	Lane Control, Roam, Tank	Depends	Depends	.
	Roam	Disable, AoE	Sometimes	Sometimes	-
	Babysitter	Initiate, Semi-Carry	Never	Sometimes	.
	Semi-Carry	Gank, Map Control	Never	Sometimes	.
	Roam	AoE, Anti-Fog	Rarely	Situational	+
	Carry	Gank, Map Control	Sometimes	Situational	+
	Semi-Carry	Gank, AOE	Never	Situational	+
	Support	Disable, Ward	Sometimes	Sometimes	-	DarkMedina
	Semi-Carry	Anti Invis, Initiate	Never	Sometimes	+	EcceLex's
	Gank	Ward	Never	Situational	.
	Push	Carry	Rarely	Situational	-
	Carry	Push, Tank	Never	Situational	-
	Support	Push, Mana	Rarely	Situational	-
	Carry	Tank	Never	Experimental	+
	Carry	Push	Never	Experimental	+
	Support	AoE, Ward	Never	Situational	.
	Initiate	Tank, Disable	Never	Situational	.
	Initiate	Roam, Ward	Never	Sometimes	.
	Gank	Roam, AoE	Never	Rarely	.
	Roam	Carry	Never	Experimental	+
	Roam	Initiate, Ward	Never	Rarely	+
	Gank	Ward	Never	Situational	?
	Carry	AoE	Never	Rarely	.
	Carry	Gank	Never	Sometimes	.
	Carry	Pusher	Never	Situational	.
	Semi-Carry	Tank, Map Control	Rarely	Situational	.
	Carry	Gank	Rarely	Experimental	+
	Carry	Roam, Push	Rarely	Rarely	.
	Initiate		Never	Rarely	.
	Carry	Chaser	Never	Situational	.
	Carry	Tank, AoE	Never	Rarely	.
	Support	Debuff	Never	Situational	-

Last Word:
Metagame is always changing, feel free to comment and discuss. 6.59d was dominated by intel pushes and carries, with the changes in 6.60, many AGI carries are back in action.
Comments and suggestions are welcome, I need some suggestion on Format and Layout.

[DarkMedina]

Necro has been nerfed really bad now. He's so much fragile on 6.61b.

Tinker is also an anti-blinkers.

PotM is more like a ganker. Would never be a carry. Viper can be built as a semi-carry, as a tanker or as a supporter. I've seen support Vipers win games by themselves.

Puck is more like a support. Okay as Ganker and initiator too, meh Disabler. He's a good wardbitch.

SK is a good initiator too, but can't do everything by himself as ES.

Zeus is a ganker, also can be used to support with Guinsoo and wards.

Enigma can be used to initiate and ofc disable.

Bane IS a carry. Disables, initiates, carries.

Warlock is a natural initiator. Coupled with Axe or SK, he can be gamebreaking.

Beastmaster is a ganker, semi-carry.

Bloodseeker is a situational pick. Built as a carry.

QoP is an AOE bitch.

Meepo jungling? In competitive play?

DK tanks.

Razor ganks very well.

Lich initiates.

WD supports.

Tidehunter tanks and ganks.

Lina supports like Lion.

Pandaren is a natural carry. Also tanks.

Broodmother isn't used to give vision. Wards are.

Some typos. Experimental = Potential competitive heroes that ARE being tested.

Need some SF, Morphling, Lanaya, Juggernaut, Vengeful, Furion, Storm, Leshrac, DarkSeer, Destroyer, Pugna, Tiny, Alchemist, Doom and Pit Lord in this thread.

[lenomilo]

Tide never banned?... seriously

[FrozenStorm]

I wouldn't exactly qualify Rhasta as a carry either. If pushing to hell makes you a carry, we're using a different definition of carry. Cuz Rhasta isn't going to be slamming through 3 enemies and wtfroflsaucing ppl like Necro and DP can (the other Int "carries"). Do you farm Rhasta a ton of gold? How does that build go?

Also just as a suggestion, some formatting here (either into tiers or roles).

Otherwise good lookin' guide, nice to have also

[JaCKaSS_69]

To begin with their roles are fucked up. I mean c'mon Mirana carry? She's semi-carry at best and thats a secondary role, her main role is ganker as well as initiator. Akasha is pure ganking/AoE presence as well, she isn't even a semi-carry. Also, Axe carry? Are you kidding? He's a powerful tank/initiator for god's sake.

Do you even know the meaning of a carry?

Also, Bat is exceptional at ganking and has a strong lane presence as well. I'd list him as a ganker/support. Also, you should've understood by now that TC is an all around powerhouse being valid for semi-carrying but mostly initiating/ganking.

Razor fits ganking more than carrying but he is valid for it. Also Brood is most importantly a pusher rather than a carry. BS is a fucking awesome ganker that has potentially the most potent lane-staying out of all melee heroes with minor regeneration items required.

Beastmaster should be listed as a ganker/initiator/ward destroyer. Also I'd rather list Dirge as a powerful/rigged supporter since he prepares the enemy team to die for his team (slowing zombies, amplifying damage, aoe hp decrease) as well tanking for them (self heal through unit death etc.).

Also, you should note that both Kunkka and Nai'x are capable of ganking, Kunkka is also one of the most potent initiators out there.

e: why is this in draft guides?

[Vindicate]

I wouldn't exactly qualify Rhasta as a carry either. If pushing to hell makes you a carry, we're using a different definition of carry. Cuz Rhasta isn't going to be slamming through 3 enemies and wtfroflsaucing ppl like Necro and DP can (the other Int "carries"). Do you farm Rhasta a ton of gold? How does that build go?

Also just as a suggestion, some formatting here (either into tiers or roles).

Otherwise good lookin' guide, nice to have also

http://www.playdota.com/forums/10766/rhasta-he-carry/
I asked and explained his role in the thread, hopefully you can take a look and maybe get an understanding of why I considering him as a carry.

Formatting --> will come later as I wrote this just now and trying to get suggestions to filling in the blanks. Maybe give me ideas to how to sort them.

To begin with their roles are fucked up. I mean c'mon Mirana carry? She's semi-carry at best and thats a secondary role, her main role is ganker as well as initiator. Akasha is pure ganking/AoE presence as well, she isn't even a semi-carry. Also, Axe carry? Are you kidding? He's a powerful tank/initiator for god's sake.

I listed potm as a semi-carry, but you are right, I seen her stack wraith bands in many of the replays I've watch in 6.60. But at the same time, I've seen some godlike potm with 200+ cs with well equipped dps items, not all the time, but it happens.

Axe, maybe I should have said tanker. I have seen carry axes, but not in 6.60. I've watch several replays in 6.5x that he goes radiance. and get his tank items. If there is an Axe that managed to get hood, vanguard, blink, heart, phase boots and becomes unkillable while killing everyone, what would u consider him a carry at this point? or call him a tank that kills everyone?

Do you even know the meaning of a carry?

I clearly do, traditional sense carry means DPS heros like troll DK etc. When I get to the grey area it is where things get messy.

Also, Bat is exceptional at ganking and has a strong lane presence as well. I'd list him as a ganker/support. Also, you should've understood by now that TC is an all around powerhouse being valid for semi-carrying but mostly initiating/ganking.

I understand TC role and abilities, but I just didn't know how to exactly "classify" him.

Razor fits ganking more than carrying but he is valid for it. Also Brood is most importantly a pusher rather than a carry. BS is a fucking awesome ganker that has potentially the most potent lane-staying out of all melee heroes with minor regeneration items required.

All added, you are right the fact that brood's main job is to push. Think his primary role is push than carry.

Beastmaster should be listed as a ganker/initiator/ward destroyer. Also I'd rather list Dirge as a powerful/rigged supporter since he prepares the enemy team to die for his team (slowing zombies, amplifying damage, aoe hp decrease) as well tanking for them (self heal through unit death etc.).

BM has been changed.
Dirge --> I see what you mean. What I listed isn't set in stone. Cuz I was thinking bloodstone = carry hero, I guess he *might* be the exception.

Also, you should note that both Kunkka and Nai'x are capable of ganking, Kunkka is also one of the most potent initiators out there.

Kunk and Naix, yes they can gank, I mean, almost every carry can gank, morph, viper, merc, tinker so on. (If they have poor ganking abilites then probably they shouldn't be carrying).

e: why is this in draft guides?

cuz it's not done?

Originally Posted by lenomilo

Tide never banned?... seriously

not much in the euro / NA metagame, he is picked and banned more often in mid / high level. I don't watch the asian metagame.

[4 73h W1n]

How about Nevermore? Great carry IMO.

[Asian]

Originally Posted by 4 73h W1n

How about Nevermore? Great carry IMO.

Situational hero. He's a momentum hero; he either carries really hard or sucks really hard

[Vindicate]

Originally Posted by Asian

Situational hero. He's a momentum hero; he either carries really hard or sucks really hard

help me fill out the blanks asian, and correct whatever you think is wrong :P

[dMw.KoaLa]

-i believe that rhasta isn't a carry, more better to classified to pusher or disable heroes. but not a carry IMO.
-chen is a top ban or top pick. great asset for turtle strategy[watch ravens replay]
-batrider more likely is a ganker heroes.and he give great DPS too. is batrider a carry? maybe. but it is in grey area so it's still a bit confusing.semi carry better term for him
-viper is a great hero this ver. the buff make him really sick. classified to first pick or top ban heroes IMO.

SF is a semi carry heroes. he fails hard when going to pure carry.

[nik]

hi frens im jus a learner n Vindicate i find ur post very helpfull thanx for putting up this post.
but i hav some questions , beginner question/ noob questions :
1) how will rhasta / bele carry i cant understand - carries r those who will carry their team to victory after they farm their items rights ? --at best they can be awesome disablers n gankers.
pls if u can gimme some replays as them as carry , hardly these days ever see rhasta n bele in picks , they always banned.

[Asian]

Pandaren Brewmaster=initiator
Blink stop split cyclone stun and watch the pewn

Dirge=tanker, initiator

Broodmother=/= maphack, His webs cant even see runes even if theyre placed directly under, unless its daylight

Razor doesn't really seem to fit into the carry role to me, semi-carry at best

Lich-warder

Meepo-carry; never banned unless you're playing against chu situational

bat-carry from the games i've seen always banned or f/p

and I expect BB to be very common in the next couple of months :P

[Vindicate]

Originally Posted by Asian

Pandaren Brewmaster=initiator
Blink stop split cyclone stun and watch the pewn

Thanks

Dirge=tanker, initiator

Thanks

Broodmother=/= maphack, His webs cant even see runes even if theyre placed directly under, unless its daylight

Thanks

Razor doesn't really seem to fit into the carry role to me, semi-carry at best

Im not fully persuaded, but i'll keep in mind.

Lich-warder

Thanks

Meepo-carry; never banned unless you're playing against chu situational

I see him banned sometimes, more in the asian.

bat-carry from the games i've seen always banned or f/p

probably this is true

and I expect BB to be very common in the next couple of months :P

Which is why he is under experimental, I see potential in him too

[Baconnaise]

Rhasta = carry??????? wtf are you high on. Also Phase Boots > serpent wards

[Pepsi-Plunge]

Originally Posted by Baconnaise

Rhasta = carry??????? wtf are you high on. Also Phase Boots > serpent wards

He's a carry in the sense of Krobelus or Necrolyte, a spell carry if you will. His ult really wrecks a team fights and towers too, in fact an Aghanim'd Refreshered Wards is game breaking for the racks. Serpent Wards aren't used so much anymore to trap. It is an AoE spell and has a lot of potential with that. Shackles and Voodoo keep an opponent in ward range as well.

[NinjaBoyLao]

Magnus? really? As much as I love magnus(he's my very first hero) I can't remember seeing him picked ever since 6.60 came out(although I always wanted to)..

And Dark Seer,IHMO one of the best heroes today, is missing. He can fill every role imaginable. Semi Carry,Pseudo tank,Initiator, Ass saver, support,pusher and Ganker.

[Bengal_Tigger]

Good list, and I'm not sure I have any major criticisms. I'll just go through each hero and give you my thoughts on your analysis.

Rhasta - Not a carry, just huge support / pushing. Definitely a first pick or ban though.

N'aix - agree

Admiral - agree

Necro - agree

Tinker - definitely not a carry anymore since the BKB change, semi-carry is possible, definitely heavy support / ganker early

Silencer kind of blows.

Spectre - being picked again, so I am led to believe, although I'd love to see a replay.

Morph - agree although what does it "depend" on?

Axe - agree

TC - role isn't important, he's autoban

Batrider - also autoban

CW - agree but what does it depend on

NA - agree

PotM - don't think she's "always" picked, maybe "likely." What's the difference between Roamer and Ganker in your list?

Viper - agree

Undying - lolwut?

Puck - agree, very powerful hero

Ench - agree

SK - agree

ES - agree

Zeus - agree

Enig - agree, is jungle covered in roaming?

Chen - agree

Lion - agree

Bane / Warlock / Dazzle / Rylai - agree, CM is Team Void Stone role imo

BM - ganker

LoA, Veno, BS, QoP - agree, QoP is never banned, rarely picked imo

Mostly agree or don't care about the rest as we're getting into lower quality heroes.

Leviathan is Sometimes picked not Rarely imo.

Brood is OFTEN picked or banned...unless there are changes I don't know about in .61 vs. .59?

Krob is sometimes picked / banned, more than rarely unless I mistake much.

[kitty04]

@TS

great guide! needs tweaking but definitely it will have a use here

my 2cents.

i think sorting out the definition of a carry is a first for this guide (for myself, i only use the word carry for heroes who are made to slice 5 heroes in his path with the right items: ex. void, pa, spectre, troll).

almost every hero can be played as a carry with the right items, but before they reached the "carry potential" they all serve some use 1st right? (ganker, initiator, tank, aoe nuker, nuker, disabler)

^this also applies to gankers. everybody can gank but it is the hero-theme that enables us to tell if they are a ganker or not. Ex. in your list. spectre is a ganker..yes she is with her global ulti. but think all of her skills.. dagger (for chasing), desolate (for killing solo heroes), dispersion (tanking ability for an agility type), then her ultimate. i think dispersion made her a carry, and ganking is one of her uses.


that's why necro and dp can be carry with the right items, but before they go to that state.. what kind of hero are they?

my ans: necro=support, pusher and dp= support, pusher

just my 2cents.

[fodminah]

There needs to be distinguishing categories; there are plenty of very situational picks listed while some more viable heroes than them were left out.

[kvlc]

PotM is literally picked every serious game. I see occasional IDEC replay where she isn't used, but go through Pick League or DH or ANYTHING matches from leagues/tournaments and she'll be in every game.