[ITEM] Mithril Armor

ResQ · 08-08-2009, 01:35 AM

Make it more expensive.. But really nice idea. Maybe you remove something and add a Recipe. And btw, why is the name Mithril Armor in the topic, but in the thread its Mithril Hammer?

kings.empire · 08-08-2009, 02:24 AM

Pretty much agreeing with everyone here...what's the point of parrying? Besides that, nice item ya got there!

NoThlnG · 08-08-2009, 03:01 AM

Sry for late answer....

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Originally Posted by Kuratz

this is not codeable

you can't get unit's damage

also why is it called "Mithril Hammer" if the icon doesn't show a hammer at all?

It's a mistake... Hmm.. Is it really not codeable? I thought it was codeable since it gets some variable like that though I'm not good at map making...

If it is really uncodable, I'll change it...

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElDoRado1239

Few thoughts:

- is the item called Mithril Armor or Mithril Hammer ? The first post says the latter...

- an armor gives you parry...? Doesn't make sense...
- also, evade=parry... ok, I get the advantage, you have only 50% ASPD, but 60% evasion, but why make up the whole idea of parrying, when you could just say it gives you additional evasion
- btw this obviously shouldn't stack with itself or other evasion items...

Mithril armor, some mistake...

Hmm... Yes, that doesn't that makes sense. But how about sword giving evasion in butterfly, dagger giving blink, helm giving life steal? Yes, I know it doesn't make sense but it is pretty ok I think.

Also you don't get 60% evasion using this. First, you only block some of the damage if enemy's damage is higher. Second, you'll still get some effects like bash if you're just blocking.

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Originally Posted by HELLRAISER

At first look i almost said: COOL! i was just gonna say it needs to be a bit more expensive like around 4.5k-5k.

After a second thought... what if u r using troll for example or any other hero with miss or pseudoevasion?
30% evasion+30% parry+10-75% miss chance depending on skill?
Imagine this on troll, riki, faceless or even worse pandaren(u will get 12.25% chance to actually hit!)

I will have to agree with lezley, remake the item somehow to remove the evasion. In positive note i really liked the concept.

If enemy has higher damage, so it will only block part of it. Also, this skill only last 8 seconds with 20 seconds cooldown.

Quote:

Originally Posted by n!ght

Make it more expensive.. But really nice idea. Maybe you remove something and add a Recipe. And btw, why is the name Mithril Armor in the topic, but in the thread its Mithril Hammer?

Some mistake... I've changed it

Changed the parrying. Check it now

Recipe added...

(Use edit button next time. Merged!)
Cp6uja.

ElDoRado1239 · 08-08-2009, 03:16 AM

Triple post, c'mon...

Anyhoo, it's much better now, I like it. Maybe it could even block some more, for that kind of money. Or don't take so much ASPD away. It's usefuly rather only for escaping right now, imho.

NoThlnG · 08-08-2009, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ElDoRado1239

Triple post, c'mon...

Anyhoo, it's much better now, I like it. Maybe it could even block some more, for that kind of money. Or don't take so much ASPD away. It's usefuly rather only for escaping right now, imho.

This is basically for str heroes so I think taking some AS is not that affecting...

ElDoRado1239 · 08-08-2009, 03:21 AM

50% is 50%... Poor tiny.

I dunno, maybe playtesting would say more about it. Imho it should be more powerful, but who knows.

HELLRAISER · 08-08-2009, 03:23 AM

What if you replace chainmail with platemail, increase armor by 10 and remove the talisman?

If you really dont want to then up the cooldown from 20 to 30seconds or lower parry from 8 to something like 5-6seconds and leave evasion of talisman as is 25%

EDIT: shit i just noticed, u are not talking about damage block but damage reduction, still i think u should up the cooldown to say the least

p.s I can already see it, Centaur+heart+mithril armor+blademail spamming stuns in between cooldowns! :P

crazy sheep · 08-08-2009, 06:51 AM

If you get evasion, then you don't really need to get the damage reduction. IMO application of good concept fail. T-down.

You could keep it to evasion only and remove the active skill. Unless you want this as a counter to MKB's Truestrike.

NoThlnG · 08-08-2009, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy sheep

If you get evasion, then you don't really need to get the damage reduction. IMO application of good concept fail. T-down.

You could keep it to evasion only and remove the active skill. Unless you want this as a counter to MKB's Truestrike.

Active skill removed...

Darktemplar · 08-08-2009, 11:15 AM

Mithril Armor(4500):
+30% evasion
+5 Armor
+25 damage

Butterfly(6000):
+30 Agility = ~4.3 armor+IAS
+30 Damage
30% Evasion
+30 Attack Speed

I really think that you need to re-do your concept. Your item is just a cheap version of butterfly. Why bother getting something "bad" instead of a good item for a surcharge of 1500 gold ?

kanzakill · 08-08-2009, 11:18 AM

Why ... did ... you ... remove ... the ... skill ?

I'm speechless.

crazy sheep · 08-08-2009, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kanzakill

Why ... did ... you ... remove ... the ... skill ?

I'm speechless.

At a glance, I'd say it's because Evasion already gives EHP, there would be no need for further damage reduction.

NoThlnG · 08-08-2009, 11:28 AM

hua... I'm thinking for better suggestion... wait for a moment pliz...

ElDoRado1239 · 08-08-2009, 11:34 AM

It sould give you evasion and armor, a lot of it or add some more bonuses. Like this, it's not a cheaper version of Butterfly, it's a completely useless item, very stupid to buy.

Drikam · 08-08-2009, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kanzakill

Why ... did ... you ... remove ... the ... skill ?

I'm speechless.

+1

Makes me sad too.

The Observer · 08-08-2009, 11:47 AM

hmmm.... simple but good. the +5 armor is kind of bad though.

[oLe] · 08-08-2009, 01:02 PM

T up .. nice item suggestion. .

kotab · 08-08-2009, 01:39 PM

I like it, but I am not sure of its relevance to the game. Normally tanks are there deal damage and assist the team. I understand it will enable a tank to survive, but it offers no protection from nukes. To pay 550 gold for 5% evasion and to combine into one item slot. Hmm not sure about that.

Specifically what heroes would it synergise with. Tanks dont need evasion because... they are tank. Right, agility heroes get evasion to allow survivability and have damage for a cheaper price. But its much better for an agility hero to put the 2700 towards a butterfly. Its that simple.

Maybe take away the damage it gives, and combine it with a poor-mans shield and a hood. Dont sit halfway. Make it a tanks item. Give it block, evasion, spell protection and armour. That would be useful.

Or you could make it give evasion and damage in an AOE to allies. Making it more useful on all heroes.

HELLRAISER · 09-27-2009, 10:58 AM

support

king_james · 09-27-2009, 11:18 AM

I like the overall concept of using evasion in another item, but this item is quite dull. The active is gone?

I'd support it, If it had an active spell.

08-08-2009, 01:35 AM	#21
ResQ Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 4,516 Blog Entries: 2	[ITEM] Mithril Armor Make it more expensive.. But really nice idea. Maybe you remove something and add a Recipe. And btw, why is the name Mithril Armor in the topic, but in the thread its Mithril Hammer?

08-08-2009, 02:24 AM	#22
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08-08-2009, 03:16 AM	#24
ElDoRado1239 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 99	Re: [ITEM] Mithril Armor Triple post, c'mon... Anyhoo, it's much better now, I like it. Maybe it could even block some more, for that kind of money. Or don't take so much ASPD away. It's usefuly rather only for escaping right now, imho. __________________ Crafty the Engineer My main project right now. Tinkers with towers and electricity, summons a Cannon Tower Richard the Numerologist A crazy project that needs work, comments welcome. Therak the Wanderer Lonely, insane, with a frightening stare - you don't wanna meet him at night I try to help you and write comments on suggestions, please help me too.

08-08-2009, 03:21 AM	#26
ElDoRado1239 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 99	Re: [ITEM] Mithril Armor 50% is 50%... Poor tiny. I dunno, maybe playtesting would say more about it. Imho it should be more powerful, but who knows. __________________ Crafty the Engineer My main project right now. Tinkers with towers and electricity, summons a Cannon Tower Richard the Numerologist A crazy project that needs work, comments welcome. Therak the Wanderer Lonely, insane, with a frightening stare - you don't wanna meet him at night I try to help you and write comments on suggestions, please help me too.

08-08-2009, 03:23 AM	#27
HELLRAISER Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,519	Re: [ITEM] Mithril Armor What if you replace chainmail with platemail, increase armor by 10 and remove the talisman? If you really dont want to then up the cooldown from 20 to 30seconds or lower parry from 8 to something like 5-6seconds and leave evasion of talisman as is 25% EDIT: shit i just noticed, u are not talking about damage block but damage reduction, still i think u should up the cooldown to say the least p.s I can already see it, Centaur+heart+mithril armor+blademail spamming stuns in between cooldowns! :P __________________ Check my Suggestions out: New Hero Suggestion: Hades, Lord of the Underworld <--- New Hero Idea: Tarvallon, The Ancient Healer Supportive item: Cross of Isis <--- Early game Item: Cape of Heroism Mid game Item: Demonic Orb Late game Item: Helphastus' Glory Click for a complete list of all my suggestions True-er words never have been spoken before!

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08-08-2009, 06:51 AM	#28
crazy sheep Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: the Suggestions forum Posts: 558 Blog Entries: 6	Re: [ITEM] Mithril Armor If you get evasion, then you don't really need to get the damage reduction. IMO application of good concept fail. T-down. You could keep it to evasion only and remove the active skill. Unless you want this as a counter to MKB's Truestrike. __________________ Hero/Item suggestions, they're where I stay nowadays. Don't PM me if you want stories/reviews for your hero/item, currently busy IRL. Click here if you like: DBSK/Super Junior/SS501/SNSD/any other Korean artistes Suggestions needing comments so far: Gauntlets of Doom \| Blade of the Elders \| Battle Axe My fanfic: Legend of the Soul Linker Two guides under construction: Orb Walking miniguide and Hero Balance miniguide.

08-08-2009, 11:15 AM	#30
Darktemplar Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 254	Re: [ITEM] Mithril Armor Mithril Armor(4500): +30% evasion +5 Armor +25 damage Butterfly(6000): +30 Agility = ~4.3 armor+IAS +30 Damage 30% Evasion +30 Attack Speed I really think that you need to re-do your concept. Your item is just a cheap version of butterfly. Why bother getting something "bad" instead of a good item for a surcharge of 1500 gold ? __________________

08-08-2009, 11:28 AM	#33
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08-08-2009, 11:34 AM	#34
ElDoRado1239 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 99	Re: [ITEM] Mithril Armor It sould give you evasion and armor, a lot of it or add some more bonuses. Like this, it's not a cheaper version of Butterfly, it's a completely useless item, very stupid to buy. __________________ Crafty the Engineer My main project right now. Tinkers with towers and electricity, summons a Cannon Tower Richard the Numerologist A crazy project that needs work, comments welcome. Therak the Wanderer Lonely, insane, with a frightening stare - you don't wanna meet him at night I try to help you and write comments on suggestions, please help me too.

08-08-2009, 11:47 AM	#36
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08-08-2009, 01:02 PM	#37
[oLe] Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 67	Re: [ITEM] Mithril Armor T up .. nice item suggestion. .

08-08-2009, 01:39 PM	#38
kotab Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 48	Re: [ITEM] Mithril Armor I like it, but I am not sure of its relevance to the game. Normally tanks are there deal damage and assist the team. I understand it will enable a tank to survive, but it offers no protection from nukes. To pay 550 gold for 5% evasion and to combine into one item slot. Hmm not sure about that. Specifically what heroes would it synergise with. Tanks dont need evasion because... they are tank. Right, agility heroes get evasion to allow survivability and have damage for a cheaper price. But its much better for an agility hero to put the 2700 towards a butterfly. Its that simple. Maybe take away the damage it gives, and combine it with a poor-mans shield and a hood. Dont sit halfway. Make it a tanks item. Give it block, evasion, spell protection and armour. That would be useful. Or you could make it give evasion and damage in an AOE to allies. Making it more useful on all heroes. __________________ I am willing to comment on anyones suggestions just pm me. So far please comment on: Kogel the Enraged Falcon - A true initiator http://www.playdota.com/forums/15819...nraged-falcon/ "Human history begins with man's act of disobedience which is at the very same time the beginning of his freedom and development of his reason"

09-27-2009, 10:58 AM	#39
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09-27-2009, 11:18 AM	#40
king_james Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Makati City, Philippines Posts: 4,330 Blog Entries: 6	Re: [ITEM] Mithril Armor I like the overall concept of using evasion in another item, but this item is quite dull. The active is gone? I'd support it, If it had an active spell. __________________ Rok'jan, the Voodoo Warrior ON LEAVE.