[ITEM] Mithril Armor

[FlaMe]

Originally Posted by Witchking

Suggestion: Change the active to

Empowerment : Increase the primary attribute by XX % of the lowest attribute for 5 seconds. 0 mana cost. 30 seconds cooldown.

With XX being something like 30 or 40'ish.

That way, the item cannot be made imbalanced by stacking items that give +stats to your primary attribute, since all attributes are taken into consideration. Skadi would be a very good choice with this item - everyone knows that it's underused.

Yea this is a good suggestion
This way the item wont be that imba and also well balanced
I can imagine a slark who just killed 1-2 hero who is already buffed with his primary attribute due to his imba passive getting 20% extra primary attribute!

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by FlaM3

Yea this is a good suggestion
This way the item wont be that imba and also well balanced
I can imagine a slark who just killed 1-2 hero who is already buffed with his primary attribute due to his imba passive getting 20% extra primary attribute!

Considering that the original purpose why I suggested this skill was for providing evasion for tanking heroes, this type of skill isn't that good to tanking heroes which usually has very low agi or int.

BTW, changed it to 20% of average value of attributes for balances but increased the duration and cd

[WrathoftheLamb]

I T-up. It looks very well thought out and balanced.

[koskinos]

I like your Idea..
but
i don't really like the mithrill ham. on rec... why an armor gives damage? :P
what about needing a Vitality Booster(or an Ultimate ORb) instead of Hammer?!?!?!?and also gives some hp instead of damage? Thnx 4 sharing your Idea.


Sorry 4 my Bad Engl.

[Witchking]

Originally Posted by NoThlnG

Considering that the original purpose why I suggested this skill was for providing evasion for tanking heroes, this type of skill isn't that good to tanking heroes which usually has very low agi or int.

BTW, changed it to 20% of average value of attributes for balances but increased the duration and cd

Well I understand your argument, but that's actually the point of my suggestion - You can't simply mass stats for your primary attribute and easily get loads of hp for a team fight. Just imagine a Pudge with something like 20 fs and heart at minute 40 using this item - it will simply make him op, even if it's only 20% of his str. With my change you also have to get items for your other stats which actually benefits you more than getting several items that only benefit your main attribute.

Keep having in mind that the passive abilities this item provides are already worth paying that price - giving it even a strong active wouldn't make it balanced.

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by koskinos

I like your Idea..
but
i don't really like the mithrill ham. on rec... why an armor gives damage? :P
what about needing a Vitality Booster(or an Ultimate ORb) instead of Hammer?!?!?!?and also gives some hp instead of damage? Thnx 4 sharing your Idea.


Sorry 4 my Bad Engl.

The only reason why I put mithril hammer is just to makes more sense because of "mithril". Anyway, not all the basic item is useful for the recipe. Until now, I really don't know why we need damages on a defensive item like blade mail.

Originally Posted by Witchking

Well I understand your argument, but that's actually the point of my suggestion - You can't simply mass stats for your primary attribute and easily get loads of hp for a team fight. Just imagine a Pudge with something like 20 fs and heart at minute 40 using this item - it will simply make him op, even if it's only 20% of his str. With my change you also have to get items for your other stats which actually benefits you more than getting several items that only benefit your main attribute.

Keep having in mind that the passive abilities this item provides are already worth paying that price - giving it even a strong active wouldn't make it balanced.

It's 20% of average stats now...

It's passive stats are good but it only gets +1 dmg, +5% evasion and +5 armor.

Compare to manta style (costs 50 golds more only) that gives get +5% AS bonus and gives Mirror Image skill that grants apporximately 66% bonus damage, 60% bonus hp that lasts 20 seconds, I don't think this item is that imba

[FlaMe]

Seems well balanced now though we cannot say exactly before we actually try this in a Game. But this will be a good item and help a lot of heroes
T-up

[Witchking]

Do you know how much EHP are granted with 30% evasion and 15 extra armor? I am not into mechanics but it must be like 40% for physical attacks (random guess, please verify).

The item is fine atm but imo it's still too easy to abuse the 20% of main attribute by massing stat items for your main attribute.

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by Witchking

Do you know how much EHP are granted with 30% evasion and 15 extra armor? I am not into mechanics but it must be like 40% for physical attacks (random guess, please verify).

The item is fine atm but imo it's still too easy to abuse the 20% of main attribute by massing stat items for your main attribute.

This item will only adds the main attribute by the average of the "base" attribute (I forgot to put it. Sry)

[tha13]

dis need nerf !!!

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by tha13

dis need nerf !!!

Nothing needs nerf unless you clarify why.

[Echowish]

Great item! Nicely made, well rounded, nice icon and it fits! T-up

[Tra[n]ceR]

Like it but let it be 20 - 25 % cuz 30 % is much.

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by Tra[n]ceR

Like it but let it be 20 - 25 % cuz 30 % is much.

Well... Talisman of Evasion already gives 25% evasion.... +5% more won't hurt that much

[Mizuchiro]

I guess you change the extra damage, which makes little sense in an armor giving damage, to "reduce damage taken by (i.e) 25". It makes more sense, hey it mythril ;D, not much overpowered, and makes everyone able to use it, not only tidehunter

[Clear]

change the mithrill hammer to something else(like ogre axe)..tank heroes don't really need extra damage..

[NoThlnG]

Ok, now I have alternatives as Point Booster instead of Mithril Hammer

[kelek2]

Originally Posted by Kuratz

this is not codeable

you can't get unit's damage

also why is it called "Mithril Hammer" if the icon doesn't show a hammer at all?

well you can get the damage of unit, if a unit is attacked!

[phunix]

great item
but too much expensive
tanker usually have to fullfilled his duty in middle game
thats why most tanker item's component is range in midle price like HoT (except the reaver but for 25 str?, it's worth), BM
my idea is the alternate build really fit the tanker
but I suggest the name mithril armor is not fit
just try using mithril plate or something that resemble the component

[Kikut]

The concept of another upgrade for Talisman of Evasion is good. I don't know if the active should be rebalanced, but it is innovative.

I support this suggestion.