Battle Axe [basic placeholding name]

[crazy sheep]

crazy sheep's II template

Battle Axe - Basic Item.

~~~Story~~~

Being the battle axe it is, you can wield it differently for varying effects, whether you want to kill faster or to wound more severely.

~~~Stats~~~

+20 damage
+Effect: Single handed/Dual handed[active toggle]

IMPORTANT: Cannot carry more than one!

Cost: 2200 gold

~~~Effects description~~~

Single handed

- 10% damage
+35% AS

Overall effect: Deals more hits per second.

Dual handed

+45% damage
- 10% AS

Overall effect: Deals more damage per hit.

~~~Synergy Sections~~~

Hero Synergy

DPS-ers will like using this in both Single handed and Dual handed modes.
Str-, Int-DPS types may prefer Single handed mode for the AS boost.

Item Synergy

IAS items to increase the effectiveness of Single handed mode, and to offset the AS decrease from Dual handed mode.
Damage items to offset the lower damage boost from Single handed mode, and to help damage output through Dual Handed.

[HELLRAISER]

is it -10% of ur total attack speed and damage?

[crazy sheep]

Yes it is.

[king_james]

I do think +45% damage when dual-wield is a little high, why not 20% damage? So it 100% more than the single-hand.

Good concept, +AS for -damage, and -AS for +damage, T-up.

Also reduce the 2200 gold, its a little too much, 1000 is enough, so it would be the same price as Ogre Axe/Blade of Alacrity.

[crazy sheep]

Originally Posted by king_james

I do think +45% damage when dual-wield is a little high, why not 20% damage? So it 100% more than the single-hand.

Good concept, +AS for -damage, and -AS for +damage, T-up.

Also reduce the 2200 gold, its a little too much, 1000 is enough, so it would be the same price as Ogre Axe/Blade of Alacrity.

Nah, +45% isn't going to be overly imbalanced for this item.
And the pricetag will most likely stay the same, since your damage grant and effects grant is way more than Ogre Axe + Blade of Alacrity combo.

[chadpiety123]

I was thinking too strong. But since it's not really cheap, then maybe it's viable. May need work on numbers (Try consulting a math expert on this). T-up on concept. Null for now.

[AmplifyDamage]

I like the concept alot, but i don't think its very logical.
how does dualwielding with a huge battleaxe in one hand make u attack fast?
i understand holding it with 2 hands makes it hit hard...

How bout a sub item, that takes up a slot in your inventory, u buy 2 "Small Battleaxe"

These 2 small axes can magically combine at the click of a button, (similar to perseverance) creating your effects.
this is more logical, and creates some more realistic application of 2 axes in your inventory.

[crazy sheep]

Originally Posted by chadpiety123

I was thinking too strong. But since it's not really cheap, then maybe it's viable. May need work on numbers (Try consulting a math expert on this). T-up on concept. Null for now.

The high pricetag is because of the multiple grants, glad to see that you think it's viable. Numbers might be alright, unless someone mathcrafts to tell me otherwise.

Originally Posted by AmplifyDamage

I like the concept alot, but i don't think its very logical.
how does dualwielding with a huge battleaxe in one hand make u attack fast?
i understand holding it with 2 hands makes it hit hard...

How bout a sub item, that takes up a slot in your inventory, u buy 2 "Small Battleaxe"

These 2 small axes can magically combine at the click of a button, (similar to perseverance) creating your effects.
this is more logical, and creates some more realistic application of 2 axes in your inventory.

Dualwielding? Never said anything about that. The "fast attacks" is from the faster swinging of the axe. "More damage" comes from the extra force you use in dual handed mode.

2 small battleaxes doesn't really fit IMO. It just feels a bit.. weird.

[AmplifyDamage]

you're dualwielding the 2 small axes, until you combine the 2 small ones to create a big two hander doublesided battleaxe.
effectively reducing your attackspeed, etc etc

[Drikam]

Every1 prefers +45% dmg. Imbalanced. but good idea

[crazy sheep]

Originally Posted by AmplifyDamage

you're dualwielding the 2 small axes, until you combine the 2 small ones to create a big two hander doublesided battleaxe.
effectively reducing your attackspeed, etc etc

TBH that's exactly why I don't think it fits. Feels like... Power Rangers to me.

Originally Posted by Drikam

Every1 prefers +45% dmg. Imbalanced. but good idea

It's expensive as well, so yeah, better results.

[AmplifyDamage]

power rangers is irrelevant, please don't bring up such a useless term.
I was addressing the issue with your item, which is the fact that a HUGE battleaxe, is held by one hand, increasing attackspeed.... doesn't make sense.

[crazy sheep]

Originally Posted by AmplifyDamage

power rangers is irrelevant, please don't bring up such a useless term.
I was addressing the issue with your item, which is the fact that a HUGE battleaxe, is held by one hand, increasing attackspeed.... doesn't make sense.

Wasn't trying to deviate. Dunno if what you're suggesting can be coded though. It's a fancy idea.

Maybe I should have used a sword instead.

[AmplifyDamage]

it can easily be coded, it's a 2 part item, like Perservance

[crazy sheep]

2 part item. Ok, so you pick up two of them and they then proceed to combine. Hence the codability question.

[triangle]

What is the purpose of this item? What niche is it filling?

[crazy sheep]

We don't have a basic item which give %damage for all attacks, and we don't have a basic item which gives IAS in the range +11 to +54. [keyword is basic item]

Hence this.

[AmplifyDamage]

there is no coding problem, just have the small axe have an active skill called "combine axes"

[triangle]

We don't have such an item because it would imbalance the game. The % to attack anyway. There is always the question of stacking, and the fact that it would become a core item on ANY damage per second hero. Quelling blade is very limited, as I'm sure you're aware. Though that would argue that there is then already a +% attack item anyway.

The rest of the effects can be had through Quarterstaffs and Orchid, the +% AS and +damage. Maybe there's a reason at to why such high +%AS is not a basic item.

The Single/Dual wield thing is just flavour on a very basic suggestion.

What I think you should ask yourself before any suggestion is, would Icefrog really think this is a necessity? Because quite frankly, at the moment, it is not. If we had a slot of 20 changes possible for the next map, I would not bring this up as one because there are many more simple suggestions that I think would make a better amendment.

That said, I'd like to see more basic items. Your attempt to create one for such a reason is justifiable, but I just don't think it is as this.

[crazy sheep]

Originally Posted by notveryclever

We don't have such an item because it would imbalance the game. The % to attack anyway.

Vlad's.

Originally Posted by notveryclever

There is always the question of stacking, and the fact that it would become a core item on ANY damage per second hero.

Stacking in what sense? To self quote from OP:

Originally Posted by crazy sheep

IMPORTANT: Cannot carry more than one!

This part can be coded, since Armlet has the same condition imposed.

Originally Posted by notveryclever

Quelling blade is very limited, as I'm sure you're aware. Though that would argue that there is then already a +% attack item anyway.

Quelling Blade is limited to non hero units. Battle Axe isn't.

Originally Posted by notveryclever

The rest of the effects can be had through Quarterstaffs and Orchid, the +% AS and +damage. Maybe there's a reason at to why such high +%AS is not a basic item.

High +AS comes at a price - reduced damage.

Originally Posted by notveryclever

The Single/Dual wield thing is just flavour on a very basic suggestion.

What I think you should ask yourself before any suggestion is, would Icefrog really think this is a necessity? Because quite frankly, at the moment, it is not. If we had a slot of 20 changes possible for the next map, I would not bring this up as one because there are many more simple suggestions that I think would make a better amendment.

That said, I'd like to see more basic items. Your attempt to create one for such a reason is justifiable, but I just don't think it is as this.

As I've pointed out [self quoting again]:

Originally Posted by crazy sheep

We don't have a basic item which give %damage for all attacks, and we don't have a basic item which gives IAS in the range +11 to +54. [keyword is basic item]

Midgame item for IAS. Why not?

But of course, if you talk about the top 20 changes, adding more new items wouldn't be such a high priority either.