[COLLAB][STR-NEUTRAL]Valdis, Ancient Wendigo

[JJE92]

Valdis,
Ancient Wendigo

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IMPORTANT

This is a collab hero of the Creator's Guild Project. If you dont like this workout, then you can click this link and help us getting new ideas for new concepts.
Skill 3 isnt completed yet, pls post your ideas for this skill's effect.
Pls read the issue section and tell me what you think about these issues
If you think that numbers are imba or weak, pls suggest something ^^
The Advanced Information at each hero ability is for those who are really interested, if you just want to do a quick hero review, dont click on the spoilers
If you have an idea on how to solve a problem or an idea for a new skill, pls feel free to post it, im open for any new suggestions, which improve our hero


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CHANGELOG

January 18, 2010

• Posted hero with Important, Changelog, Introduction, Hero Information, Hero Abilities, Skill Synergy, Hero Synergy, Item Synergy, Gameplay and Collaborators / Credits.

January 24, 2010

• Fixed some minor issues and description, added Issues and things to be discussed. For more information look here at the end of my post.

February 21, 2010

• Slightly changed Glazed Ground's damage mechanism and values.
• Tweaked skill 2 (its more an aura now, attacks done against nearby allies are taken into accout). Changed Description (no Ice, just Fury), Skill Name (Glacial Hide -> Protective Fury) and some numbers as well.
• Added effect to Killer Instincts (silence at high HP % of enemy, slow at low HP%)

Mars 30, 2010

• Added Hero Introduction

July 8, 2010

• Removed the dps of skill 1.
• Updated Collaborators for name change. Again the same one T_T ^^

July 23, 2010

• Skill 1: Slight mechanics changes: Units who are initially on the ice will slide the moment they are on the ice, not when the order a movement (reaction upon the removal of dps)
• Finalized skill 2, I'm not planning to change further things, except for numbers.
• Fixed a note at Ult (invincible --> invulnerable + explanation)

August 6, 2010

• Updated "Issues / Ideas on how to improve this skill" sections.

August 13, 2010

• Changed icons of skill 1 and 2, credits to ☁Fate-Trap☁.

September 16, 2011

• Finallized skill 1, 3 and the Ultimate.

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INTRODUCTION



Summon Ancient Wendigo


The strucked tale of the great wendigo's were originally conceived myths of the unknown, far up into the depths of Northrend. Still, silent, the hoard din of the mountains seemingly deaf. But as the the mountains tremble in the sounds of war, a fearful and enraged behemoth had been animated from its forsaken slumber. Valdis, the only ever-known living wendigo never foreseen, famished for the sworn demise of the ones responsible for his now astir presence. Capable of literally crushing his enemies, Valdis inhibits extraordinary killer instincts, enhancing his spiked glacial hide to rejuvenate his power. But with the inner sanity of the ancient beast, Valdis' spirit has been said to long prosper, fools who've claimed victory may yet be the fooled, as the enraged spirit of the wendigo, lives, forever.


Valdis is one of the most scariest initiators, because he's very hard to counter. His uniqueness lies within his Ultimate Enraged Spirit of the Wendigo, which allows him to participate in battle even a few seconds after he died, thus effectively minimising the disadvantage of most initiators of being focused down and killed by the enemy. His other passive, Protective Fury, grants him bonus damage whenever an ally or he himself is attacked and as well grants some minor bonus armor aura. This can turn him into a powerful, deadly damage machine that you shouldn't underestimate. With Killing Instincts, he charges at the enemy with the lowest HP around him, picking out the weakest enemy hero when initiating and bringing it down asap. High HP % enemies are silenced, which makes the skill great to initiate, especially if the enemy is a low HP spellcaster, low HP % enemies are slowed, which grants Valdis more chasing and the power to finish fleeing low HP heroes off. This power is again needed for his Ult, because its duration is rather low, but increases with each kill the Wendigo achieves. His first skill is very versatile in its usage as well. It creates a Glazed Ground, which forces any unit to slide over it, damaging enemies. It can be used for chasing, initiating with your whole team, simply causing confusion and chaos and it brings up many hero synergies.
All this makes the decision of enemies hard. Should they kill him and allow him to bring great havoc upon enemies and at the same time removing their capability to disable him, as he's invulnerable, or should they leave him alive, which is a great threat as well, because he's very powerful in finishing off low HP heroes and grows more powerful the longer the battle drags on.

Strength - 22 + 2.4
Agility - 16 + 2.0
Intelligence - 20 + 1.2

Learns Glazed Ground, Protective Fury, Killer Instincts and Enraged Spirit of the Wendigo

Skillset:


Attack range of 128 (melle)
Movement speed of 295

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HERO INFORMATION

Affiliation: Neutral
Role: Initiator, Semi-DPS, Semi-Tank
Theme: Wendigo. No special theme, just involving all different aspects of the Wendigo model, such as Ice, its Claws, its hide, and its spirit as well.


Valdis, the Ancient Wendigo

Starting Hitpoints: 568 (Base HP: 150 + Str HP Bonus 418)
Starting Mana: 260 (Base MP: 0 + Int MP Bonus 260)
Starting Damage: 47-56 (Base DMG 25-34 + STR Damage Bonus 22)
Starting Armor: 3.3 (Base Armor: 1.1 + AGI Bonus Armor 2.2)

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HERO ABILITIES





Glazed Ground

Freezes the ground of a targeted area. Those who enter it will slide until they reach the other side. Enemies sliding the first time are damaged the moment they enter and leave the ground. If they slide on it more often, they wont receive any damage.

Level 1 - 50 damage upon entering / leaving it
Level 2 - 85 damage upon entering / leaving it
Level 3 - 110 damage upon entering / leaving it
Level 4 - 135 damage upon entering / leaving it

Type: Ground targeted active
Duration is 7
Casting Range is 400
AoE is 500
Casting Time is Instant

Cooldown: 20
Mana Cost: 130

Notes:

• Damage type: magical
• Sliding speed: 600 MS
• Sliding direction is the direction of movement when coming into contact with the Frozen Ground.
• Units will start to move as soon as coming into contact with the ice.
• Wo'nt move over cliffs or trees
• If there's a collision, so that a unit has no movement anymore, the next movement order will determine the next movement direction)

Advanced Skill Information:

Skill's Usage:

• Initiate with this, you can move your whole team into the battle area.
• Chase fleeing enemies.
• Deal damage to enemies by making them cross the ground.
• Create chaos, seperate enemy teams

Technical:

• Coming soon.

Issues / Ideas on how to improve this skill:

• Finalized, only things changed will be the numbers.

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Protective Fury

Valdis takes advantage of attacks made against him or nearby allied heroes. While increasing the armor of himself and nearby allies passively, so that he can profit longer from then, his damage gets increased for each attack against him or nearby allied heroes.

Level 1 - +2 bonus damage for each attack. Passive +1 armor
Level 2 - +4 bonus damage for each attack. Passive +2 armor
Level 3 - +6 bonus damage for each attack. Passive +3 armor
Level 4 - +8 bonus damage for each attack. Passive +4 armor

Type: Passive Self-buff
Duration is 6s or 3/4/4/5 attacks for each stackable buff.
Casting Range is -
AoE is 600

Cooldown: -
Mana Cost: -

Notes:

• Only normal attacks done to him or allied heroes trigger the bonus damage.
• Damage type: pure bonus damage

Advanced Skill Information:

Skill's Usage:

• Effective tank and ganking dps
• Bring down creepwaves very fast.
• Letting allies survive longer and profitting of that

Technical:

• Coming soon.

Issues / Ideas on how to improve this skill:

• Finalized, only things changed will be the numbers.

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Killer Instincts

With an insatiable hunger, the Wendigo instantly charges to the enemy with the lowest HP around him, dealing damage to that enemy and all enemies he charges through. His instincts tell him the best way to kill the enemy, silencing him when hes still a danger and slowing him when hes already close to death.

Level 1 - 75 damage
Level 2 - 100 damage
Level 3 - 125 damage
Level 4 - 150 damage

Type: Instant active
Duration is 2/3/4/5
Casting Range is -
Aoe is 600
Casting Time is -

Cooldown: 12/10/8/6
Mana Cost: 110

Notes:

• Firstly searches all enemy heroes in aoe, then jumps to the one with the lowest HP. If there arent any heroes in aoe, hell jump to an enemy creep. If there are no enemy units in aoe, skill has no effect.
• Takes heroes you cant see due to fog into account.
• Silencing occurs when hero has more than 50% of HP left, Slow when he has less HP left.
• Slows MS by 50%

Advanced Skill Information:

Skill's Usage:

• Chasing fleeing enemy low HP heroes
• Initiating out of fog
• Anti-juking

Technical:

• Coming soon.

Issues / Ideas on how to improve this skill:

• Finalized, only things changed will be the numbers.

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Enraged Spirit of the Wendigo

It's unbearable for the Wendigo to die when there are still surviving enemies. Therefore, he calls forth the enraged spirit of the Wendigo, allowing him to stay longer on the battlefield. For each creep kill, he's allowed to stay 1s longer alive, for each hero kill or assist, he's allowed to stay 5s longer. The enraged spirit grants him bonus attack and movement speed that decreases over time.

Level 1 - 4 initial seconds, +200% IAS - 40%/s and +20% MS - 4%/s
Level 2 - 5 initial seconds, +300% IAS - 40%/s and +30% MS - 4%/s
Level 3 - 6 initial seconds, +400% IAS - 40%/s and +40% MS - 4%/s

Type: Passive self-buff upon death
Duration is 4/5/6 seconds at least, 15/18/21 seconds at most
Casting Range is -
Casting Time is -

Cooldown: -
Mana Cost: -

Notes:

• Activates upon death
• Death cannot be avoided by using Shallow Grave or other skills, as soon as duration is over, youll die.
• Wendigo becomes invulnerable as long as he is under the effect of this skill, meaning immune to all damage and unaffected by all sorts of disables and buffs and last but not least untargetable.
• You are allowed to use your skills.
• The pure bonus damage buff by Glacial Hide you had before you died wont be removed. It will stay until you die.
• The enemy who killed Valdis will get gold and exp when Valdis dies, meaning as soon as this skill activates.

Advanced Skill Information:

Skill's Usage:

• As an initiator, the risk of dying is pretty high, this makes you useful even after death.

Technical:

• Coming soon.

Issues / Ideas on how to improve this skill:

• Finalized, only things changed will be the numbers.

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SKILL SYNERGY

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Glazed Ground + Protective Fury
Coming soon.

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Glazed Ground + Killer Instincts
Coming soon.

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Glazed Ground + Enraged Spirit of the Wendigo
Coming soon.

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Protective Fury + Killer Instincts
Coming soon.

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Protective Fury + Enraged Spirit of the Wendigo
Coming soon.

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Killer Instincts + Enraged Spirit of the Wendigo
Coming soon.

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HERO SYNERGY

Coming soon.

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ITEM SYNERGY

Coming soon.

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GAMEPLAY

Coming soon.

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COLLABORATORS

Carlvic, lemonquake, kings.empire, king_james, Odinarius, JoeLLe (Gravedamn, ForbiddenIntent), Axidos, talkingmuffin

CREDITS

Hiveworkshop, for icons, as always.
Shinig4mi, for his awesome Ult, suggested by him in his thread with many skills developed by him.
☁Fate-Trap☁ (Shikain, Lightning_Fate, Trap Door), for his icons.
Everyone else, who posted in this thread and helped me improving my suggestion

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[talkingmuffin]

Hahahahaha. I was just going to glance at this to see what changes had been made and I saw you used my suggestion for the passive way to make a lonely boy's day (jk, but it helps make it better ).

For Killer Instincts, how about making the effect something like a Maim that increases in slow the further the enemy is from Valdis. This makes it so he can easily chase down low health enemy heroes, when he comes back from the dead he can jump on an enemy and their hopes of running from the fight are dashed, and it gives him more chances to attack the enemy.

[king_james]

For one thing, this hero stands perfectly on what I want for a hero using wendigo stock model. Finally, after a few weeks of discussion and collaboration, the hero has come together. Oh, and btw, I like Valdis as the name, kudos to the contributor who gave the name,

Let's head on for a review first, I need to get some details on things before I go lore-ing, hehe.

Glazed Ground is actually pretty neat. I see resemblances on Waveform and such. Its a great way to get on to the battle field out of a sudden, but wouldn't it have been a lot more awesome if you could move over trees? The description states you can't do so, however it may be a lot fun to see a wendigo pop out of nowhere and break havoc. Anyway, balance-wise, how long exactly does this "glazed" ground last? But more in-depth, how long do you think a foe will last in the AoE of the skill if there's a 600 MS sliding speed? 1/2 sec or 1? I simply love this skill due to the fun things you can do with it, it makes it look like your going on a treadmill or something, haha. But one other thing, if let's say, you've casted this on the ground and one opponent runs up towards it, does he get re-inflicted with damage, or are they [enemies] capped to 1 trigger? It does seem a little imbalanced having to have a nuke that can keep damaging on and on if the enemy is stupid enough to get damaged.... haha... which are a lot these days, XD. But nevertheless, great skill to equip this collab hero. Great job.

Glacial Hide makes definite sense and is unique. I like it. Its simple, yet effective. It makes sense because, Valdis is an initiator, he pops in and out of the battle scene to be the one to tank. Thus, he needs to have a skill to make him stronger as to being the #1 ranked target, which this skill answers the dilemma. This skill is a beautiful addition to Valdis, no doubt about that, I've had thoughts of a similar skill, but mine had different effects and this just blew it out of the water miles away. I'd like to see this skill implemented, regardless of being on Valdis or another hero.

Killer Instincts calls on being quite unfair for me to be honest. For one thing, being able to catch invisible units with low life and re-spotting them again? And this skill isn't even an ultimate, I don't think it has the right to those capabilities. But since you said the skill is still under wraps, I'll leave it to that at the moment since there isn't much to say without the proposed effect. But aside from the unfair point, its basically what you'll want. Attacking the weaker man, will provoke the enemy to attack you, thus creating the field of counter-acting the synergy process, great ability to add to Valdis' arsenal.

The ultimate is probably the best I've seen in the forum, period. Although I've seen "Last Stand" ultimates, I've never encountered one like this, which will dramatically change the metagame of DotA. Don't take that as a negative note, take it as a unique comment. Yes, I feel that people will raise some questions on the rate of balance (due to not being able to come back and kill that guy with 40 hp left will now be a thing of the past since now you can change all that) . But however, moving on, I like the remainder of Glacial Hide to stay throughout the duration, it will increase your chances of actually killing someone. But this skill requires a lot of clarifications such as limitation and some below:

1. Does the timer start as soon as you die or until Enraged Spirit of the Yeti skill duration ends?
2. How much mana do you receive if you've no mana prior to 2nd life (ultimate skill)?
3. Being invincible means? Invulnerability from spells/damage/etc?
4. Can you be re-buffed with such items, say gaining Aegis triggering reincarnation whilst the duration of the ultimate?
5. Do you stay as Wendigo form or in a such ghost form, similar to Ancestral Spirit of Tauren Cheiftain?

Well based on all that I've written, it comes to no surprise if I say that I liked the hero, no not like, loved the hero. The synergy comes in through a lot of combination and would actually be fun to experiment with. Pop out with the 1st skill, jump on your foe, tank a small-big amount of damage and ravage your opponent. When you die? Just get back up and rape him/her. To be honest, it would be hella fun to use Valdis, and I ain't jokin'. And one other thing, usually when I write reviews, I don't do something as long as this on what I've written, its usually a third or half of all of this, simply because this is one of the suggestions that is worth reading and not tl;dr material.

I'll wait on some of clarifications and until then I'll start the progress of the story and I hope it will be as fantastic as the hero itself. Congratulations Creators Guild Project for creating a successful collaboration hero, it truly deserves a look on the Suggestions Forum.

king_james

EDIT: Story time:

The strucked tale of the great wendigo's were originally conceived myths of the unknown, far up into the depths of Northrend. Still, silent, the hoard din of the mountains seemingly deaf. But as the the mountains tremble in the sounds of war, a fearful and enraged behemoth had been animated from its forsaken slumber. Valdis, the only ever-known living wendigo never foreseen, famished for the sworn demise of the ones responsible for his now astir presence. Capable of literally crushing his enemies, Valdis inhibits extraordinary killer instincts, enhancing his spiked glacial hide to rejuvenate his power. But with the inner sanity of the ancient beast, Valdis' spirit has been said to long prosper, fools who've claimed victory may yet be the fooled, as the enraged spirit of the wendigo, lives, forever.

One other thing; I think you should rename the ultimate to Enraged spirit of the wendigo rather than yeti, it sounds a lot better. XD

[kings.empire]

woot woot! Finally got posting it eh JJE92? Good job!

As for skill 3, talkingmuffin seems to be on the right track, an effect that depends on how far the Wendio jumps.

Could be like (xx%)(distance traveled)=Effect

Like say if we were to use his slowing idea...

(10%)(distance traveled)=Slow that lasts 1.5 seconds
(15%)(distance traveled)=Slow that lasts 2.25 seconds
(20%)(distance traveled)=Slow that lasts 3.00 seconds
(25%)(distance traveled)=Slow that lasts 3.75 seconds

So at level 4: the max slow would be (.25)(600)=-150 MS that lasts 3.75 seconds.

Or maybe distance traveled could be based on how long the slow will last.

Well either way, talkingmuffin seems to have the right idea.

[JJE92]

Originally Posted by talkingmuffin

Hahahahaha. I was just going to glance at this to see what changes had been made and I saw you used my suggestion for the passive way to make a lonely boy's day (jk, but it helps make it better ).

xD

Originally Posted by talkingmuffin

For Killer Instincts, how about making the effect something like a Maim that increases in slow the further the enemy is from Valdis. This makes it so he can easily chase down low health enemy heroes, when he comes back from the dead he can jump on an enemy and their hopes of running from the fight are dashed, and it gives him more chances to attack the enemy.

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A slow was one of my thoughts as well, but Im not so sure about it. Id prefer a unique effect obviously, but a slow will stay an option due to synergies.
Ill wait for other ideas and see what could be fitting ^^


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Originally Posted by king_james

For one thing, this hero stands perfectly on what I want for a hero using wendigo stock model. Finally, after a few weeks of discussion and collaboration, the hero has come together. Oh, and btw, I like Valdis as the name, kudos to the contributor who gave the name,

Ehm, kudos? Didnt find that name, could you give link?
Afaik, Valdis was first mentioned by ForbiddenIntent here and hes already at the collaborators list.

Originally Posted by king_james

Glazed Ground is actually pretty neat. I see resemblances on Waveform and such. Its a great way to get on to the battle field out of a sudden, but wouldn't it have been a lot more awesome if you could move over trees? The description states you can't do so, however it may be a lot fun to see a wendigo pop out of nowhere and break havoc. Anyway, balance-wise, how long exactly does this "glazed" ground last? But more in-depth, how long do you think a foe will last in the AoE of the skill if there's a 600 MS sliding speed? 1/2 sec or 1? I simply love this skill due to the fun things you can do with it, it makes it look like your going on a treadmill or something, haha. But one other thing, if let's say, you've casted this on the ground and one opponent runs up towards it, does he get re-inflicted with damage, or are they [enemies] capped to 1 trigger? It does seem a little imbalanced having to have a nuke that can keep damaging on and on if the enemy is stupid enough to get damaged.... haha... which are a lot these days, XD. But nevertheless, great skill to equip this collab hero. Great job.

Duration is 7 seconds, thats how long the ground lasts.

Okay, firstly MS: Im not 100% sure, but probably the enemy will stay about 1 second on the field averagely if he travels through the whole length. I havent thought much about it yet, but the dps should be dealt at the beginning of each second on the ice, meaning at second 0/1/2/...

Just an idea, Im not yet sure about it, but I had this added at the Project topic: You can stop enemies on ice with skills, which stop movement (Treant's Ul as example) for further dps, but I wasnt sure about balance.
And ofc, this skill has awesome synergy with Black Hole

Well, the possibility that an enemy is stupid enough to run over the field twice is low in proper games, but it could become really strong if you have Spiritbreaker in your team ^^
Id like to discuss this first and decide it then. I dont really want it capped to 1 trigger, but perhaps 2. Or changing through levels 1/1/2/3, so that the skill is still powerful late-games.

Okay, finally to your first point. I wasnt sure, but moving through trees sounded odd to me. I thought about moving over cliffs, but I didnt add it. Moving through trees could bring up some problems. What happens if the enemy slides into trees and the Glazed Ground gets removed? He would be stuck and I want to avoid this.
So, to summarize: Perhaps for moving over cliffs, rather no for moving through trees, atleast as long as nobody suggests a good solution for this problem.

Originally Posted by king_james

Glacial Hide makes definite sense and is unique. I like it. Its simple, yet effective. It makes sense because, Valdis is an initiator, he pops in and out of the battle scene to be the one to tank. Thus, he needs to have a skill to make him stronger as to being the #1 ranked target, which this skill answers the dilemma. This skill is a beautiful addition to Valdis, no doubt about that, I've had thoughts of a similar skill, but mine had different effects and this just blew it out of the water miles away. I'd like to see this skill implemented, regardless of being on Valdis or another hero.

Thx
And again, credits of this skill as he mentioned above, talkingmuffin

Originally Posted by king_james

Killer Instincts calls on being quite unfair for me to be honest. For one thing, being able to catch invisible units with low life and re-spotting them again? And this skill isn't even an ultimate, I don't think it has the right to those capabilities. But since you said the skill is still under wraps, I'll leave it to that at the moment since there isn't much to say without the proposed effect. But aside from the unfair point, its basically what you'll want. Attacking the weaker man, will provoke the enemy to attack you, thus creating the field of counter-acting the synergy process, great ability to add to Valdis' arsenal.

Okay, catching invisible units is the most insignifant point for me, if it proves to be imbalanced, it can be removed without thinking, i dont really care about it, was just an idea. The important part is catching enemies in the fog, so that you can initiate out of nowhere with this as well as catching fleeing enemies who run into fog.

Originally Posted by king_james

The ultimate is probably the best I've seen in the forum, period. Although I've seen "Last Stand" ultimates, I've never encountered one like this, which will dramatically change the metagame of DotA. Don't take that as a negative note, take it as a unique comment. Yes, I feel that people will raise some questions on the rate of balance (due to not being able to come back and kill that guy with 40 hp left will now be a thing of the past since now you can change all that) . But however, moving on, I like the remainder of Glacial Hide to stay throughout the duration, it will increase your chances of actually killing someone. But this skill requires a lot of clarifications such as limitation and some below:

Thx
Oh and I forgot about it, added it now. Credits to shinig4mi who gave me the idea and concept in his thread with lots of skill suggestions.

Originally Posted by king_james

1. Does the timer start as soon as you die or until Enraged Spirit of the Yeti skill duration ends?

I dont really get what timer you meant, so Ill just explain how it works:
As soon as you die, this skill activates and youll get all the effects. The skill has a base duration of 4/5/6 seconds. Whenever you kill a unit, youll get some bonus seconds, which are simply added to the duration.
Meaning: At level 1, if you kill a creep after 3 seconds, youll have 2 more seconds to live (1 base rest duration + 1 bonus second from kill)
As soon as the duration is over, meaning you didnt get enough kills to prolong it further, the skill effect ends and you die.

Originally Posted by king_james

2. How much mana do you receive if you've no mana prior to 2nd life (ultimate skill)?

Well, basically I thought up to now, that the MP you have when the Ult activates will be the remaining MP for the duration of the skill, it wont be regened. This is better for balance imo, because otherwise you could sometimes cast skills infinitly.

Originally Posted by king_james

3. Being invincible means? Invulnerability from spells/damage/etc?

Well, I think its clear that if youre already dead, you cant receive any further damage to your HP or as well MP. About the rest Im unsure. Complete invulnerability could be imbalanced. Vulnerability only against the damage (meaning you are vuilnerable against stuns, hex, etc) could be harder to code and Im not sure if its fair. I mean one stun and the whole ult is wasted, because you cant kill anyone. It would be too easy to counter.
So, as it is now, complete invulnerability against effects and damage, be it buffs from allies, or debuffs or disables from enemies. Youre only affected from the buffs which were casted upon you before the Ultimate was triggered.

Originally Posted by king_james

4. Can you be re-buffed with such items, say gaining Aegis triggering reincarnation whilst the duration of the ultimate?

Okay, first other item casts: I think Ill let it stay as I said before: Casts before Ultimate will have an effect on you, but you cant buff yourself anymore as soon as youre dead, meaning you cant buff yourself with Maelstrom or Satanic, or as well Mekansm will have no effect on you if you cast it during Ultimate.
This is as far as I thought, but it can be changed ofc. ^^
For Aegis: I havent yet thought about it. Two possibilities: Either Ultimate triggers and you are revived after duration ends or Ultimate doesnt trigger and youre simply revived through Aegis, Ultimate triggers upon your next death. I personally would prefer the first one, but Im not too sure.

Originally Posted by king_james

5. Do you stay as Wendigo form or in a such ghost form, similar to Ancestral Spirit of Tauren Cheiftain?

Well, this is only visual I guess.
There will be an animation, idk yet which one, a spirit would be cool, but Id have to see how it looks first.

Originally Posted by king_james

Well based on all that I've written, it comes to no surprise if I say that I liked the hero, no not like, loved the hero. The synergy comes in through a lot of combination and would actually be fun to experiment with. Pop out with the 1st skill, jump on your foe, tank a small-big amount of damage and ravage your opponent. When you die? Just get back up and rape him/her. To be honest, it would be hella fun to use Valdis, and I ain't jokin'. And one other thing, usually when I write reviews, I don't do something as long as this on what I've written, its usually a third or half of all of this, simply because this is one of the suggestions that is worth reading and not tl;dr material.

Well, thx for pointing so much things out, you were definitely a help.

Originally Posted by king_james

I'll wait on some of clarifications and until then I'll start the progress of the story and I hope it will be as fantastic as the hero itself. Congratulations Creators Guild Project for creating a successful collaboration hero, it truly deserves a look on the Suggestions Forum.

Good job everyone
Teamwork for better results

Originally Posted by king_james

EDIT: Story time:

The strucked tale of the great wendigo's were originally conceived myths of the unknown, far up into the depths of Northrend. Still, silent, the hoard din of the mountains seemingly deaf. But as the the mountains tremble in the sounds of war, a fearful and enraged behemoth had been animated from its forsaken slumber. Valdis, the only ever-known living wendigo never foreseen, famished for the sworn demise of the ones responsible for his now astir presence. Capable of literally crushing his enemies, Valdis inhibits extraordinary killer instincts, enhancing his spiked glacial hide to rejuvenate his power. But with the inner sanity of the ancient beast, Valdis' spirit has been said to long prosper, fools who've claimed victory may yet be the fooled, as the enraged spirit of the wendigo, lives, forever.

Great BS, added

Originally Posted by king_james

One other thing; I think you should rename the ultimate to Enraged spirit of the wendigo rather than yeti, it sounds a lot better. XD

Done

Thx for the long review


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Originally Posted by kings.empire

woot woot! Finally got posting it eh JJE92? Good job!

As for skill 3, talkingmuffin seems to be on the right track, an effect that depends on how far the Wendio jumps.

Could be like (xx%)(distance traveled)=Effect

Like say if we were to use his slowing idea...

(10%)(distance traveled)=Slow that lasts 1.5 seconds
(15%)(distance traveled)=Slow that lasts 2.25 seconds
(20%)(distance traveled)=Slow that lasts 3.00 seconds
(25%)(distance traveled)=Slow that lasts 3.75 seconds

So at level 4: the max slow would be (.25)(600)=-150 MS that lasts 3.75 seconds.

Or maybe distance traveled could be based on how long the slow will last.

Well either way, talkingmuffin seems to have the right idea.

As I said, this is one good solution imo, it suits to the concept, I just want to wait if further ideas come up ^^

[kings.empire]

^Well the main point of my post is to give a certain formula which is

(xx%)(distance traveled)=Effect

What effect it could be is various, could be damage, maybe armor strip (percentages would be way low like 1%/2%/3%/4% which is somewhat fine actually), even -spell resistance, or heck, all of those!

[JJE92]

Originally Posted by kings.empire

^Well the main point of my post is to give a certain formula which is

(xx%)(distance traveled)=Effect

What effect it could be is various, could be damage, maybe armor strip (percentages would be way low like 1%/2%/3%/4% which is somewhat fine actually), even -spell resistance, or heck, all of those!

Well the formula is nice, but just for these effects:
damage would be similar calculation to Enchantress' Ult.
armor strip is not that useful, due to bonus pure damage, spell resistance is average as well since he doesnt deal much magic damage. ^^

Slow would be simply better synergize, because it makes enemies stay close to you, perhaps even attack you and make you stronger. The more I think about it, the more I like it

[kings.empire]

lolz about a month of creating this hero and all it gets is a couple of responses and there it goes in to the abyss...

BUMP of life as I don't want this tragedy to happen...like Dar'Kurosky >_>.

[Pekis]

I haven't read the other comments so i have no idea what anyone have said already.

Glacial ground:
Superb! I can't stop imagining all the combos with this out there.
You could add to info what happens when you hit a tree or a wall, other than that i think it should have longer duration and wider AoE but lower DOT to compensate. The total DPS should go un-changed but the "Slide" effect would be boosted.

Glacial Hide:
Didn't expect this when i saw the first skill, i was kinda surprised.
I think that this skill could have a orb/buff placers with a slow/bash/Replacing effect in combination to the suggestion i give to killer instincts and to increase the damage dealt on ice (slowing the unit sliding would increase the damage, right?) Therefore an orb-effect or slow auro could be put here.

Killer Instincts:
Sweeeet! Like a leap-blink strike combination.
Here is what i think:

Level 1 - Target takes 50 damage
Level 2 - Target takes 100 damage
Level 3 - Target takes 150 damage
Level 4 - Target takes 200 damage

If target is killed: Instantly restores cooldown and halves mana cost.
Mana cost is reset to normal after a few secs. (around 3-7)
Cooldown: 30
Mana Cost: 150

Why?:

1. the name is killer instinct
2. allows lasthitting creeps quickly after a nuke
3. gives you a chance to jump after a hero if he got out of range just in time
4. if you lasthit the enemy hero with this
5. Strenght heroes mana pool is generaly low
6. Compensates for an increase in cooldown.

Enraged Spirit of the Yeti:
I would like to call it perfect

[JJE92]

Originally Posted by Pekis

Glacial ground:
Superb! I can't stop imagining all the combos with this out there.
You could add to info what happens when you hit a tree or a wall, other than that i think it should have longer duration and wider AoE but lower DOT to compensate. The total DPS should go un-changed but the "Slide" effect would be boosted.

Hmm, perhaps Ill increase the duration to 8-10 seconds, lets see, I have to think about this first.

Originally Posted by Pekis

Glacial Hide:
Didn't expect this when i saw the first skill, i was kinda surprised.
I think that this skill could have a orb/buff placers with a slow/bash/Replacing effect in combination to the suggestion i give to killer instincts and to increase the damage dealt on ice (slowing the unit sliding would increase the damage, right?) Therefore an orb-effect or slow auro could be put here.

Idk, replacing this skill by a slow aura sounds kind of lame.
And adding some slow/bash/other effect doesnt really fit to the concept. I dislike the idea of icnreasing the damage dealt on ice, its forced synergy and kind of lame.

Originally Posted by Pekis

Killer Instincts:
Sweeeet! Like a leap-blink strike combination.
Here is what i think:

Level 1 - Target takes 50 damage
Level 2 - Target takes 100 damage
Level 3 - Target takes 150 damage
Level 4 - Target takes 200 damage

If target is killed: Instantly restores cooldown and halves mana cost.
Mana cost is reset to normal after a few secs. (around 3-7)
Cooldown: 30
Mana Cost: 150

Why?:

1. the name is killer instinct
2. allows lasthitting creeps quickly after a nuke
3. gives you a chance to jump after a hero if he got out of range just in time
4. if you lasthit the enemy hero with this
5. Strenght heroes mana pool is generaly low
6. Compensates for an increase in cooldown.

I really like the idea of restoring CD, that really fits to the concept.
But Im not sure if I should really add damage to this skill, I personally would like to have this skill not dealing any damage to decrease similarities with Blink Strikes.
Perhaps Ill make it, that if the affected hero/unit you jumped to dies within 2 seconds after the skill's usage, the CD is instantly restored, how would you like this?

Originally Posted by Pekis

Enraged Spirit of the Yeti:
I would like to call it perfect

Thx

[FlamingFist]

About Glacial Hide: Adds bonus 3/6/9/12 damage or Deals 3/6/9/12 damage for each attack done to him? Btw, this is active or passive? 3rd skill is kinda boring for me. 1st skill was ok, but i think numbers are too much

[JJE92]

Originally Posted by BlackRain

About Glacial Hide: Adds bonus 3/6/9/12 damage or Deals 3/6/9/12 damage for each attack done to him? Btw, this is active or passive?

Its bonus damage for normal attacks, I accidently removed the word "bonus", readded it ^^

Originally Posted by BlackRain

3rd skill is kinda boring for me.

Well, the effect is still missing
You have some ideas?
What exactly do you think is boring?

Originally Posted by BlackRain

1st skill was ok, but i think numbers are too much

For numbers, please suggest something ^^

[FlamingFist]

Originally Posted by JJE92

Its bonus damage for normal attacks, I accidently removed the word "bonus", readded it ^^

For me adding bonus damage isnt effective to bring down creepwaves fast. From the description id prefer when is attacked they will be damaged xx

i dont have any ideas atm, but ill try to suggest

[JJE92]

Originally Posted by BlackRain

For me adding bonus damage isnt effective to bring down creepwaves fast. From the description id prefer when is attacked they will be damaged xx

Thats Return.

Well, it is pretty effective. Imagine at level 7, 5 creeps attack you, then youll have instantly 60 bonus pure damage. Especially late-game, when you can tank such a damage with items easily and there are even more creeps on the lanes, this can be a pretty strong bonus damage.

[Maw2]

Hi.

So I got an e-mail saying check this guy out!! Grrr. Wendigo model okay, I looked at it.

Skill 1: Not a bad skill. However duration is too long and the DPS is too much. -2 second duration and 75% DPS.

Skill 2: Me no like. I don't see this skill being useful at all besides the +4 armor bonus. It'll do good on creep waves. Big deal. Bad concept. Don't like it. How many times do you think this hero will have to be attacked for this to make a difference?
Plus, you just killed this guys play style with this skill. #1 Item -> Vanguard. Next, Hood. Do we really need more Vangaurd/Hood itembuilds in dota? All this thing will do is wait to rack up damage until it can kill something. Boring.

And the about the explanation... Icicles coming off his ass and uses them to hit people with... Fail >_<

Skill 3: When does a Wendigo ever "latch on" ?? He body slams the fucker. Make it a pseudo disable? Use this lasting 1.5/2/2.5/3 seconds that the enemy can't move. However the Wendigo can't move either but he can still cast spells (i.e Skill 1)

Skill 4: No. No. No. NO. None of this "life after death" stuff please. It's very annoying. The concept is flawed and extremely hard to balance. Do you make him immune to just attacks and not spells? What happens if he get impaled? Then the Ult is half wasted. What happens if he manages to kill someone? Now he goes on a bloody rampage. You can do better than this.

Sorry for my language to all it may offend. 'Till next time!

[NinoDoko]

well, the hero is nice deffinitelly .
1st skill - Pretty interesting, i like it. T-UP
2nd skill - Looks pretty much like huskar's passive too much. And i agree with the previous poster, you can do better. Maybe make it "Freeze the opponent's weapon, reducing his damage (opponent's damage)" or something along those lines.
3rd skill - It's a big fat creature, so jumping is probably not a good idea. Making it charge instead would be better, and when it hits the opponent, he pushes/throws/does something painful to him with a stun as an effect.
Ultimate - Damn, i wanted to suggest a hero with this kind of ultimate :P . Anyway, i love the concept and it's a great spell.

All in all, i'd t-up this, but you can improve the passives.

[leMONQUakE]

@Glazed Ground..
wew! I must say this is the best skill that I've ever heard(in initiating). but, like king_james said, this should be capped to at least once for enemy units that gets in it.

@Glacial Hide..
wow..it sounds a little imba for me IMO..if you get attacked 20 times by a wave of creeps and some heroes in let's say 2 seconds you get 20x12 = 240 PURE damage ryt? in my opinion the bonus damage should only last in 1 attack. just a suggestion tho :P

@Killer Instincts..
hmmm..this should only DETECT invisible units and not REVEAL them..sounds a bit imba to me to have like a dust of appearance when chasing heroes with invis.

@Enraged Spirit of the Yeti..
let's say you got pwnd by Nevermore and then after 5 seconds(level 4, maximum is 6), you killed a creep(+1 second), then after the duration, will Nevermore still get the kill? or is it the last unit that will attack him throughout the duration?


this would be a great tank-initiator(on par with axe, es, magnus, etc.) and I would love to play this hero, seriously :P.. hope icefrog could see this thread.

[Ghuy]

This hero is just, what can i say? AWESOME! Skills are very unique and balanced. (well this is the result of teamwork) I'll give my full support for this hero!
P.S: One thing keep bothering me though, 155dps while on ice? Is it too much? If you have team mate like Naga or Geo or even Rylai, the damage total is large and may prove some imba, may be tweak the number a little bit?

[Serafell]

It would be way better if ultimate may save you from death. The current one is bit underpowered, and wicked. Skill 2 should have a cap of bonus damage, or he`ll be a new (and better) ursa
For skill 3 i propose to make a stun with time based on precentage of life of target.
I`ll be watching this project

[damN_Grave]

Nice! They used my name! lol
Way to go JJ! And i agree that the Killer Instincts sould maim as suggested.
The Glacial Hide seems a bit imba to me against agil heroes and such. It should be nerfed a little then fused with my old suggestion, Frozen Conception.
And i don't think that he should have so much initial ms. Although that isn't a big deal anyway.
But great workout!