[GAMEPLAY] Roshan Spawn Places

[NoThlnG]

Got idea from this thread (http://www.playdota.com/forums/14573...boss-sentinel/)

You can see that Roshan's place is a little advantageous to scourge because it is much easier to gank from the scourge side.

So, I suggest to make 2 places for Roshan to spawn.

Roshan will spawn from one of the two places randomly like runes

The two places should be symmetrical.

Comment?


EDIT :

Here's the prove



Credits to dejaime

It's quite clear that Scourge gets advantages

[Burndead]

I completely agree at the part "scourge got advantage". Ancients at the Sent side should go more south and above them there is enough space for secondary identical respawn place. I fully support this idea.

T-UP

[Mystique-]

I don't think the placement of Roshan really gives the Scourge so much advantage that is warrants another Roshan at another placement. He's also the only unique non-hero and non-dummy unit in the game, which is why he is unique. Creating another roshan for the sake of fulfilling an inessential need is not a good idea in my opinion.

[ResQ]

Originally Posted by Leak-

I don't think the placement of Roshan really gives the Scourge so much advantage that is warrants another Roshan at another placement. He's also the only unique non-hero and non-dummy unit in the game, which is why he is unique. Creating another roshan for the sake of fulfilling an inessential need is not a good idea in my opinion.

I think he's suggesting to put in a new spawn place, please read the thread title and the actual suggestion. He wants him to spawn randomly on one of 2 places, which is an awesome idea.

But where to place the sent's ancient creep camp then?

[Mystique-]

Originally Posted by n!ght

I think he's suggesting to put in a new spawn place, please read the thread title and the actual suggestion. He wants him to spawn randomly on one of 2 places, which is an awesome idea.

But where to place the sent's ancient creep camp then?

Oh whoops, my bad for not clearly reading the suggestion:X. Thanks for catching my error!

Well, from a personal point of view, my point still stands. The placement where Roshan is, in my opinion, perfectly fine as it is. Creating another spawn point would seriously disrupt the current terrain on the Sentinel side: and doing this just for the purpose of creating another "possible" roshan spawn point is not worth it.

But I think a test-map showing where the new roshan spawn point is in-game would be extremely helpful - if its visually fitting and not too disrupting to the terrain at the new spot, there is absolutely no reason for me not to change my point to full support

[Axidos]

Scourge doesn't get any advantage at all. It's on the Scourge half of the map, but Scourge doesn't have a shorter trip to get to it. There is no point to this, just as there is no point to having a new boss in Sentinel just for the sake of having a boss in Sentinel.

EDIT: I am wrong apparently! Scourge has a several second advantage in reaching Roshan.

[king_james]

Where do you propose the symmetrical location of Rosh be for the Sentinel?

Point it out, then I have a chance to support. But seeing from now, I don't seem its necessary. What's another 10 seconds for the Sentinel to get to Rosh compared to the Sentinel. Another thing, I already believe the Sentinel has got a great jungle much more compared to the Scourge.

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by king_james

Where do you propose the symmetrical location of Rosh be for the Sentinel?

Point it out, then I have a chance to support. But seeing from now, I don't seem its necessary. What's another 10 seconds for the Sentinel to get to Rosh compared to the Sentinel. Another thing, I already believe the Sentinel has got a great jungle much more compared to the Scourge.

Hmm.. For now I just have the idea only. Don't know for the exact position and other details. Maybe I'll work on it later.

Sentinel has got a greater jungle IMO also. But, I think that is part of the DotA that needs balances so I don't think it could be a reason for this

[SUperPhat]

It might be too luck based when finding the opposite team at Roshan

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by SUperPhat

It might be too luck based when finding the opposite team at Roshan

So do runes. I don't think that's a problem

[MonkeyEx]

null..
instead of 2 random spawning places..
just put him somewhere at neutral point..

agree that he is a bit close to Scourge and the 1st mid tower

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by d4rk_T4nkR

null..
instead of 2 random spawning places..
just put him somewhere at neutral point..

agree that he is a bit close to Scourge and the 1st mid tower

The most neutral point in the DotA is on along side the river.

And I don't think Roshan can exist in there...

[Axidos]

NoThInG, consider this:

- Both teams have to walk the distance from their base to the river.
- Both teams then have to walk along the river to Roshan.
- Both teams then have to walk the distance into Roshan's area.

Whether it's on Scourge's side is irrelevant because both sides still have to walk an equal distance to get there. He could be on either side of the river or right in the middle of it and they'd still both have to walk the same distance.

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by Axidos

NoThInG, consider this:

- Both teams have to walk the distance from their base to the river.
- Both teams then have to walk along the river to Roshan.
- Both teams then have to walk the distance into Roshan's area.

Whether it's on Scourge's side is irrelevant because both sides still have to walk an equal distance to get there. He could be on either side of the river or right in the middle of it and they'd still both have to walk the same distance.

Scourge can go to roshan from the way near the scourge tower. This not only reduces the length to go to the roshan, but also this is safer than sentinel going through river because of the fog.

Also, Scourge can go through the pathway near the scourge secret shop

So, Scourge walks less and they are more safe to kill roshan

[AduhAwas]

I like the idea, but if I recall there has never been a single complaint about roshing's position. I think its balanced by the fact that rosh is important, thus heavily warded and kinda detrimental to the scourge while simultaneously providing the benefit of a closer roshan. Honestly I think this would be too messy to implement.

[Amn]

A sentinel Ursa killing Roshan unnoticed is a very difficult task
A scourge Ursa killing Roshan unnoticed it's a sure thing

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by AduhAwas_EvilG

I like the idea, but if I recall there has never been a single complaint about roshing's position. I think its balanced by the fact that rosh is important, thus heavily warded and kinda detrimental to the scourge while simultaneously providing the benefit of a closer roshan. Honestly I think this would be too messy to implement.

Hmm.. I agree that this change won't done in a short time. But I still think this change is kinda needed in DotA like the other terrain changed suggested

[Axidos]

Originally Posted by NoThlnG

Scourge can go to roshan from the way near the scourge tower. This not only reduces the length to go to the roshan, but also this is safer than sentinel going through river because of the fog.

Also, Scourge can go through the pathway near the scourge secret shop

So, Scourge walks less and they are more safe to kill roshan

You're right, actually, I just checked. Sentinel has a ramp down to Roshan, but it's farther walking there from either lane. I'd rather see the paths balanced out than have Roshan spawn in 2 random spots, though.

[nog]

With Axe (290ms) it takes 44,5s to walk to the red cross on the ground in front of Rosh from the sentinel spawn. From the scourge spawn it takes 36s. Maybe just change the terrain around Rosh so that it's easier to access from the sentinel side, and a bit harder from the scourge side? Doesn't take much.

[tonbon]

I think that Roshan should be moved roughly to where the Roshan-equivalent correlates in the League of Legends map (yeah I know, blasphemer talking about LoL).