[Remake] Dagon's Energy Burst

dark.88 · 01-25-2010, 05:18 PM

So do people see this change mostly as a buff or a nerf?

adelmagne · 01-25-2010, 05:27 PM

it would make the item unpredictable?
i would consider it as a buff for mind games against opponents
i would consider it as a nerf for too much mind games on yourself's half.

question:
would the dagon have a counter to know when it is fully powered??
misfiring the dagon. and counting to yourself could be very taxing.

t-up if yes to my question.
t-down if no.

DoTaVaNDoTa · 01-25-2010, 05:36 PM

wtf?? that thing looks more dangerous then before

dark.88 · 01-25-2010, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adelmagne

it would make the item unpredictable?
i would consider it as a buff for mind games against opponents
i would consider it as a nerf for too much mind games on yourself's half.

question:
would the dagon have a counter to know when it is fully powered??
misfiring the dagon. and counting to yourself could be very taxing.

t-up if yes to my question.
t-down if no.

Yes, it would have a counter. It will display the the current charge (1-30) in the little charge box on the item.

Thedeadclown · 01-25-2010, 06:45 PM

I use DAGON on Rikimaru!

nice idea, I like it!

poor Tinker...

Bloody_Wolf · 01-26-2010, 03:07 AM

Well, good idea.. the cd is short enough to blast nearly dead heroes..

Overall: Instant T-Up for this

dark.88 · 01-26-2010, 11:09 PM

Do you guys like the idea of having the mana scale with the damage, or should it remain at a constant mana amount no matter what the damage is?

Subway · 01-26-2010, 11:18 PM

Never even considered the mana cost. Since you mention it I like the idea of having a constant mana price at any charge. This way it counter balances the ability to wtf pwn an enemy 15 seconds sooner then normal.

teStud0 · 01-26-2010, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dark.88

Do you guys like the idea of having the mana scale with the damage, or should it remain at a constant mana amount no matter what the damage is?

I think with the max charges manacost should be 120/140/160/180/200 respectively. Makes it balanced overall.

Concept is amazing. Insta t-up from me.

Hero Hunter · 01-26-2010, 11:48 PM

I loved your idea, t-up.

dark.88 · 01-27-2010, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subway

Never even considered the mana cost. Since you mention it I like the idea of having a constant mana price at any charge. This way it counter balances the ability to wtf pwn an enemy 15 seconds sooner then normal.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking at first, I'll change it back to how it was originally.

Linism · 01-27-2010, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by teStud0

I think with the max charges manacost should be 120/140/160/180/200 respectively. Makes it balanced overall.

Concept is amazing. Insta t-up from me.

I agree with thestudo. T-Up too.

Dc.Nilbog · 01-27-2010, 12:14 PM

The idea is okay I think. Personally I think they should change Dagon so that it does not have that many upgrades, I mean who buys that many upgrades anyways. Shorter cooldown = more killstealing.

dark.88 · 01-28-2010, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dc.Nilbog

The idea is okay I think. Personally I think they should change Dagon so that it does not have that many upgrades, I mean who buys that many upgrades anyways. Shorter cooldown = more killstealing.

I agree with this as well, but I didn't want to suggest a complete change of dagon, just a remake of the energy burst skill.

Zangetsu2201 · 01-28-2010, 10:22 PM

T-d. I really don't like change for the sake of changing...

Tain · 01-28-2010, 10:28 PM

wow. whata change. it would become a real viable item.

@icefrog: cmon man think about it !

Tain · 01-28-2010, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adelmagne

it would make the item unpredictable?
i would consider it as a buff for mind games against opponents
i would consider it as a nerf for too much mind games on yourself's half.

question:
would the dagon have a counter to know when it is fully powered??
misfiring the dagon. and counting to yourself could be very taxing.

no, it would have charges like diffusal so you would know anytime how much it is charged. even the opponent could see.

dark.88 · 01-29-2010, 12:00 AM

Wow, thanks Tain for supporting my suggestion. Nice to see that it's even in your sig.

paul_phoenix · 01-29-2010, 07:08 AM

nice idea. t - up

Tain · 01-29-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dark.88

Wow, thanks Tain for supporting my suggestion. Nice to see that it's even in your sig.

yea i like it that much. imo numbers should be balanced further but the concept of charging is great.

01-25-2010, 05:18 PM	#21
dark.88 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 993 Blog Entries: 1	[Remake] Dagon's Energy Burst So do people see this change mostly as a buff or a nerf? __________________

01-25-2010, 06:45 PM	#25
Thedeadclown Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: (o_O) ? dunno... Posts: 66	Re: [Remake] Dagon's Energy Burst I use DAGON on Rikimaru! nice idea, I like it! poor Tinker... __________________ v6.67 New hero by IceFrog Have pity on your self! Please don't do it! It's... DANGEROUS Someone help me on making hero suggestions, dunno a hell single damn thing on what to do! Coz I have A lot in my mind! I mean, on making the hero itself, you know, like jass... argh dunno really!

01-26-2010, 11:09 PM	#27
dark.88 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 993 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [Remake] Dagon's Energy Burst Do you guys like the idea of having the mana scale with the damage, or should it remain at a constant mana amount no matter what the damage is? __________________

01-26-2010, 11:18 PM	#28
Subway Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Azeroth Posts: 4,067	Re: [Remake] Dagon's Energy Burst Never even considered the mana cost. Since you mention it I like the idea of having a constant mana price at any charge. This way it counter balances the ability to wtf pwn an enemy 15 seconds sooner then normal.

01-26-2010, 11:48 PM	#30
Hero Hunter Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 946	Re: [Remake] Dagon's Energy Burst I loved your idea, t-up. __________________ [Disassemble] Tranquil Boots [Buff] Chen's Test of Faith [Tweak] SB's Charge of Darkness [Remake] 11 Scepter Upgrades [Remake] Kardel Sharpeye, the Dwarven Sniper [Remake] Rylai Crestfall, the Crystal Maiden [Tweak] Lanaya, the Templar Assassin [Tweak] Nortrom, the Silencer

01-28-2010, 10:22 PM	#35
Zangetsu2201 Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 4,509 Blog Entries: 6	Re: [Remake] Dagon's Energy Burst T-d. I really don't like change for the sake of changing...

01-28-2010, 10:28 PM	#36
Tain Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Castalia Posts: 370	Re: [Remake] Dagon's Energy Burst wow. whata change. it would become a real viable item. @icefrog: cmon man think about it !

01-29-2010, 12:00 AM	#38
dark.88 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 993 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [Remake] Dagon's Energy Burst Wow, thanks Tain for supporting my suggestion. Nice to see that it's even in your sig. __________________

01-29-2010, 07:08 AM	#39
paul_phoenix Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 144	Re: [Remake] Dagon's Energy Burst nice idea. t - up