[Hero] Centuar Warchief

[teng)]

Problem: underused tanker, quite boring, need dagger to be useful, not offensive enough to get enemy will focus on you (like BB and Udy)
The recent change on Return make him harder to farm in early game.
So, tell me why we pick Centaur as a tank in the team? Because the stun? or the HP from Great Fortitude?


Before we start, take a look at this:

Hoof Stomp vs Slithereen Crush
stun: 2.75 vs 2.5
damage: 250 vs 200
AOE: 315 vs 350
slow: 0 vs 2
CD: 15 vs 8 <- SG able to land 2 stuns already.
manacost: 130 vs 115
synergy: n/a vs Sprint

Movement Speed : 300 -> 315

Hoof Stomp
Slams the ground, stunning and damaging nearby enemy land units.

Level 1 : Deals 100 damage and stuns for 1.25 seconds.
Level 2 : Deals 150 damage and stuns for 1.75 seconds.
Level 3 : Deals 200 damage and stuns for 2.25 seconds.
Level 4 : Deals 250 damage and stuns for 2.75 seconds.

Manacost: 85/100/115/130 -> 75/90/105/120
Cooldown: 15-> 12
AOE: 315 -> 350

- Slithereen Crush has 350 aoe, slow for 2 sec after stun, 8 seconds cooldown; so I buff the AOE and cooldown of Hoof Stomp.

Double Edge
The Centaur charges to a target, summons a tremendous amount of inner strength and releases a very powerful attack. Damages both the Warchief and the enemy unit.

Level 1 : Deals 175 Damage and ministun.
Level 2 : Deals 250 Damage and ministun.
Level 3 : Deals 325 Damage and ministun.
Level 4 : Deals 400 Damage and ministun.

Manacost: 75/90/105/120
Cooldown: 12
Casting Range: 250

- Centaur has average ms and doesn't has a chasing ability.
- 250 charging range is very short only, it require to get near the target.
- I don't like dagger as core item on any hero (especially ES, blocking enemy with Fissure should be the way and fun part to play ES, not blink-Echo-Fissure-Totem-omg pro triple kill-nah)

NewSkillName
Whenever an ally die around Centaur, he become more angry and more powerful. Last 10 sec.

Level 1 : +1%/2% ms per creep/hero. +1/+6 str per creep/hero.
Passively +10 Str.
Level 2 : +1%/4% ms per creep/hero. +1/+12 str per creep/hero.
Passively +20 Str
Level 3 : +1%/6% ms per creep/hero. +1/+18 str per creep/hero.
Passively +30 Str

AOE: 800

- Centaur doesn't has a chasing or more offensive skill. His role in game is blink-Stun-being ignore.
- I try to make him more offensive. If you ignore him, he will be very powerful.

[Ety]

Centaur is fine as it is, actually he's my favorite Tank hero

and your Double Edge is way too powerful...

you gank an enemy with this, stun him and crush his ass

dagger would be useless and DotA wouldn't be the same with a dagger-less cent

[teng)]

You mean Centaur will be way too powerful with dagger which has 1100 blink range?

Centaur is not fine as it is.

[doomsheep]

adding a charge effect to double edge would ruin centaur's whole concept. his shit needs to be hard to land.

[teng)]

I don't understand why Hoof Stomp need to be hard to land.
You mean dagger ruin centaur whole concept?

[HELLRAISER]

increase hoof stomp cooldown to 12 seconds and i will T-up.

[doomsheep]

I don't understand why Hoof Stomp need to be hard to land.
You mean dagger ruin centaur whole concept?

its weak, but the gameplay is supposed to be hard to land and when you land it it really hurts. it needs some kinda tweak to add effectiveness when u hit it.

i dislike dagger on initiator heroes, its not really even good. its better as a positioning tool for heroes that need it.

but yeah, it needs to be hard to land. its just balanced bad as it doesnt give you anything for landing it successfully.

[teng)]

Yes, dagger ruin heroes concept. (look at ES)
All Centaur can do in game is dagger->stun->being ignore, cant chase down low hp enemy.

My purpose for this remake is remove dagger as core item from him, make him more offensive.
Lower cd, bigger aoe for Hoof Stomp
400 charge range (it's only 400, very short) on Double Edge
Increase his MS to 310

[NoThlnG]

I support this change. I think this is good enough... Especially the hoof stomp..

[doomsheep]

Yes, dagger ruin heroes concept. (look at ES)

well actually ES concept is built around dagger. just look at his ult. was gonna mention that but somehow forgot.

All Centaur can do in game is dagger->stun->being ignore, cant chase down low hp enemy.

My purpose for this remake is remove dagger as core item from him, make him more offensive.
Lower cd, bigger aoe for Hoof Stomp
400 charge range (it's only 400, very short) on Double Edge
Increase his MS to 310

yeah, but your remake would remove his early game coolness with stomp and double edge. i support the idea of removing dagger as his core but i would greatly prefer doing it by changing return to a charge ability, not his nuke. also a targeted charge is very bad for his gameplay (since its built around landing the stun).

[KenpachiSlardar]

thumbs down man aoe is too huge for a stomp like that

[HELLRAISER]

Originally Posted by KenpachiSlardar

thumbs down man aoe is too huge for a stomp like that

its just 35 AoE increase, but maybe need a further 2 sec increase to make it 14seconds, i know i said 12 but now i think maybe 14 is better since this is an AoE stun with good duration and AoE. It needed some decrease in cooldown tho and some increase in range. Also moving the centaur from blink dagger will let him focus on buying that radiance to be a proper tank.

[HELLRAISER]

Originally Posted by KenpachiSlardar

thumbs down man aoe is too huge for a stomp like that

its just 35 AoE increase, but maybe need a further 2 sec increase to make it 14seconds, i know i said 12 but now i think maybe 14 is better since this is an AoE stun with good duration and AoE. It needed some decrease in cooldown tho and some increase in range. Also moving the centaur away from blink dagger, will let him focus on buying that radiance to be a proper tank at last.

[teng)]

saw the comparison with Sladar stun?
Sladar's stun has 350 AOE 2.5 sec stun, 2 sec slow afterwards, 8 seconds cooldown, 115 mana, easy to land with Sprint.

Look at Centaur?

[Repeats]

But that is because slad doesnt have another nuke, he is a chaser with 2 skills that make him ideal for his purpose. the comparison is very poor... Centaur purpose is to tank and initate, which we can do very well with blink dagger and bots/phase. i see no reason to change probably one of the best combos in the game. If anything, return and his ult need a conceptual remake. but these 2 skills are fine as is.

[p811025]

Please list the original mana cost and stuff so I don't have to open another window >.>
I actually like this remake. Gives other team a reason to kill centaur first.

[Sedgar]

Tdown

just change double edge and thats all cent needs

ur change i dont like tho
go for something more inovative

[Whitefang]

2nd skill: Why not leap then double edge? He's half horse anyway. XD

[teng)]

Originally Posted by p811025

Please list the original mana cost and stuff so I don't have to open another window >.>
I actually like this remake. Gives other team a reason to kill centaur first.

Read carefully, it stated there. (where Hoof Stomp vs Slithereen Crush)

Originally Posted by Sedgar

Tdown

just change double edge and thats all cent needs

ur change i dont like tho
go for something more inovative

Double Edge is unique and fits the theme, all he need is a chasing ability (since he is a horse) and a tweak for him to land his stun more easier.

Originally Posted by Whitefang

2nd skill: Why not leap then double edge? He's half horse anyway. XD

Maybe he is too heavy XD

[mantis_blade]

I agree about the hoof stomp. t-up

Buffing the double edge is not a bad idea, but i'd suggest to add some splashing aoe damage to it, so that is would be more fun.

Another buff that Centaur really needs is his attack range from 100 --> 125 due to his size.