[REMAKE-BUFF] Oblivion

[king_james]

Before i start, i just want to say that i constantly play Pugna but find some definite flaws with him. Nether Blast is an awesome spammer skill, which makes him a good farmer. Deceprify allows more spell damage, but its synergy is hard to come by, since you need to go closer to cast NB. Life Drain and Ward are ok skills, the ones you can pass by to use constantly.

Nether Blast

Stays the same.

Current Deceprify -> changes to Life Drain

Decrepify

Pugna casts a powerful banishing magic on a unit. The unit is sent to the ethereal plane for a small period of time, reducing its movement speed by 50% and rendering it unable to attack. It takes 44% extra damage from spells.

Level 1 - 2 seconds.
Level 2 - 2.5 seconds.
Level 3 - 3 seconds.
Level 4 - 3.5 seconds.

Life Drain

Pugna summons a moderate visage, draining magic that absorbs the life essence of an enemy unit. Lasts 9 seconds. (This is not a channeling skill)
Level 1 - Drains 1% HP per second.
Level 2 - Drains 2% HP per second.
Level 3 - Drains 3% HP per second.
Level 4 - Drains 4% HP per second.

Mana Cost: 80/90/90/100
Cooldown: 16/14/12/10

Nether Ward

Stays the same.

Current Life Drain -> changes to Deceprify

Life Drain

Pugna summons a very powerful draining magic that absorbs the life essence of an enemy unit.
Lasts 9 seconds.
Level 1 - 95 hit point drain per second.
Level 2 - 140 hit point drain per second.
Level 3 - 185 hit point drain per second.

Deceprify

Pugna casts a powerful banishing magic on an area of foes. Units affected are sent to the ethereal plane for a small period of time, reducing its movement speed by 50% and rendering it unable to attack. Affected units take 44% extra damage from spells.

Level 1 - 3 seconds.
Level 2 - 4 seconds.
Level 3 - 5 seconds.

Mana Cost: 200/200/200
Cooldown: 25/20/15

This becomes the skill-set instead.

This is to make use of Nether Blast to attack a whole AOE of banished units. This is perfect. Since now that Life Drain isn't channeling, you could gain health and spam out Nether Blast while the enemy is banished for a full 3/4/5 seconds, this will benefit your allies too.

[HELLRAISER]

altho i kinda like pugna as is at 6.60, whats this pugnas cooldowns?

also ulti it have potential to change whole battle result for good or for bad, playing around with the cooldowns.

[king_james]

I have no base cooldown, just the concept, but sure, I'll add it in.

[chadpiety123]

Make Deceprify increase MS for allies >.<

and I think your life drain is a bit too strong IMO. It drains up to 36% of a hero's health; that's 1/3 of their life!

[HELLRAISER]

most heroes can take 100% of pugna's life in less than 5seconds tho... while he suppose to be the nuker :P

[Zack1996]

Originally Posted by chadpiety123

Make Deceprify increase MS for allies >.<

and I think your life drain is a bit too strong IMO. It drains up to 36% of a hero's health; that's 1/3 of their life!

It takes slightly more when they get Decrepified. I wonder how this will work with Refresher... 3 Life Drains on a single target (3rd one after the first ends)

Fair change I guess. Null.

[Audacious]

Instead of a life drain a mana burn drain would make more sense.

[159Hello]

AOE Decrepify will be game breaking. Synergy with AOE spells is too obvious. Big slow for 3s with +44%, so basically if you got earthshaker in your team, he can easily lands his ult during decrepify and the fight is over.
AOE spells are already very powerful in Dota and this will give them too much importance.


I got a suggestion, if you find it interesting feel free to use or adapt it (or not) :

Decrepify
- it's an ult
- channeling
- targets an unit
- slow 50%, unable to attack, +44% extra magic damage
- duration quite long, or even infinite (as long as you channels ofc)

cooldown reduced with levels

so it's an anti-carry ult : you channel this on the annoying troll, so as long as u are not interrupted, troll is slowed, can't attack, and get +44%magic damage (he's dead indeed).
it will give Pugna a great role in team. More teamplay.

[Bovver]

I like it somehow, T-up

[Gazar-]

Making life drain to a non-ultimate skill somehow makes it similar to Tb's skill. You added the effect though that it is not a channel skill, however Tb could use of a non channel LD as well. Maybe you this change should include of Tb SD then.
Also Ld is much weaker then what makes pugna easier to be killed. You can run away but if it is too weak you will die anyway (which does not mean that I dislike the idea of giving pugna disable a try as his ultimate).

I dislike the proposed ultimate, it might be too strong in teamfights, also it lost its ability to target allies and yourself which was actually a nice bonus of the old skill. I like the basic idea of making it to his ultimate though.

PS: Do you know that pugna has a hidden attack, which enables the hero to attack decrepified units?

[Drikam]

Originally Posted by 159Hello

AOE Decrepify will be game breaking. Synergy with AOE spells is too obvious. Big slow for 3s with +44%, so basically if you got earthshaker in your team, he can easily lands his ult during decrepify and the fight is over.
AOE spells are already very powerful in Dota and this will give them too much importance.


I got a suggestion, if you find it interesting feel free to use or adapt it (or not) :

Decrepify
- it's an ult
- channeling
- targets an unit
- slow 50%, unable to attack, +44% extra magic damage
- duration quite long, or even infinite (as long as you channels ofc)

cooldown reduced with levels

so it's an anti-carry ult : you channel this on the annoying troll, so as long as u are not interrupted, troll is slowed, can't attack, and get +44%magic damage (he's dead indeed).
it will give Pugna a great role in team. More teamplay.

no way. no dagon then.

[Gazar-]

no way. no dagon then.

To be exactly a channel dcrp. would allow no active skill, it would just have ally synergy which the current already has.

[Baconnaise]

His ult would be imba with organised teams... Vacuum + decrep + ANY HERO LIKE SK LINA LESRAC ZEUS INVOKER ENIGMA LICH QOP PUCK EZALOR LUNA DEATH PROPHET TWIN HEAD WITCH DOCTOR EVEN SVEN TO AN EXTENT(OMG IMBA AOE STORM BOLT). OH AND TAUREN CHIEFTAIN BUT HE'S BANNED ANYWAY. AND ON A 15 SECOND COOLDOWN ULTI THAT EFFECTIVELY MULTIPLIES AN ENTIRE CASTER TEAMS DAMAGE BY 1.44. FUCK OFF. ITS USED AGAINST ONE ENEMY HERO. THE CARRY BEFORE HE HAS BKB. THAT'S IT

[Jay.J]

It's actually a nerf in the sense that you can't keep a carry decrepified 50% of the time because of the CD (Now it's 3.5seconds and 7 second CD).