[Command] -resign

karadoc · 02-02-2010, 02:48 PM

The problem that I want to address with this command is that some players will give up and leave before the game is over. For example after a team wipeout some players will think that their team has surely lost, and so they just leave the game. Unfortunately, if the rest of the players don't think the game is over, then the game has just been spoiled by the leaver.

I'd like to encourage people to not leave the game until the whole team has agreed that they have been defeated. -- So I suggest the "-resign" command.

Here's how it works. At any time in the game, any player can type "-resign". When a player does this, that player will be marked as having resigned, ie. given up. If only some members of a team are marked as having resigned then the game continues as normal. But if every member of one team resigns, the game ends immediately as if the tree/throne was destroyed. The team that resigns is defeated.

The benefits would be that players would know whether or not the rest of their team thought they still have a chance; and if the team agrees that they have been defeated then the game can end gracefully, without fountain farming, and without having to wait for the tree/throne to be destroyed, and without the feeling the the game was spoiled people leaving before the end.

Obviously this wouldn't stop all leavers, but I do think it would stop some. And I'm sure it would help end some games that would otherwise have dragged on past the point of fun. What do you think?

Dejaime · 02-02-2010, 03:26 PM

Not a bad idea...

The best part is that it can be ignored, so those who don't like it wont suffer.

tup

Zangetsu2201 · 02-02-2010, 04:32 PM

Good idea, but most of the leavers leave the game because they got pwned/annoyed/mad and, at this point, I don't think that they give a rat's ass about their team's opinion of the game being over or not...

NHP54 · 02-02-2010, 06:36 PM

Hmm, I would prefer to have the resigning feature be more all at once. For example, the resigning feature should only count if the players of one team all resign within 10 seconds of one another. I don't like the idea of people just resigning throughout the game, making the resigning votes so spread apart.

karadoc · 02-03-2010, 09:27 AM

@Zangetsu2201, I think you're probably right about there being a whole lot of players who don't really care and will just leave anyway - but I reckon there are at least some who do care. I reckon that if someone says "gg" before they abandon their team that's a sign that they might have stuck around if they knew their team was still going to keep trying. And as dejaime said, the new command could be ignored, so there's no harm in trying it. Maybe it will help.

@NHP54, I've thought about what it would be like if everyone had to resign in within a certain time window - I reckon that would probably work just as well and I'd be happy with that. But still, I think I'd prefer it to be untimed. I imagine myself playing in a game where I think I've got no chance of winning - I want to just type -resign and then keep playing without having to think too much about it and without having to resign again whenever the timer expires. Nar, I just think it would be a bit better if I could type -resign and then just keep on playing without having to pressure my teammates to resign within the time window. But like I said, I'd be happy enough with the command either way. I'd be interested to know how other people think it would work best.

Infrisios · 02-03-2010, 09:39 AM

I'd call this command -ff.

Dejaime · 02-03-2010, 03:46 PM

Maybe -ssuutb

(somebody set us up the bomb, 0wing?, no o-o)

Subway · 02-03-2010, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infrisios

I'd call this command -ff.

No you just inadvertently spawned the creation of friendly fire mode!

-ff or Forfeit is fitting but the concept as a whole is terrible. Yes, people who don't care will just leave. If you're dealing with more 'rational' individuals the most common solution is "ALL: rmk?"
From here the process begins. This mode is idiotic and forces an arbitrary dance of courtesy into the game. Whether you resign, leave or remake the win becomes less satisfying. How about you suck less or cope better. Take the opportunity to try something new or learn from your mistake while you're waiting for your death timer to be up.

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LightningZLaser · 02-04-2010, 04:12 AM

And as a "reward of satisfaction" to the opposing team, maybe a Victory Screen can be shown. For example:

karadoc · 02-04-2010, 02:57 PM

As I described it, normal victory screen would be shown. The game would end in exactly the same way as it does when the throne/tree is destroyed. Such-and-such team has won, scoreboard, etc. Surely that's more satisfying than just having a people gradually leave one by one. It's a clear and decisive end to the game.

Secondly, in my opinion this command would be much easier and cleaner to use compared to trying to discuss with your team whether or not you should give up. @Subway, you come across as being a bit bitter about this, but I don't see why. This suggestion has nothing to do with making it easier to cope with loss. It's about keeping the game going when it isn't yet over, and getting a cleaner finish when it is.

Ali Radicali · 02-05-2010, 10:56 AM

I most strongly oppose this suggestion. In the pubs I play, people start whining for a remake or end as early as 12 minutes(!) into the game, and for the most trivial things.

Their imba Baratrum Void lane feeding CM + Slardar doublestun lane? Just say "RMK Void and Bara feeder nobs" in all chat.

Seriously the last thing I want is for 90% of my games to be over after the laning phase just because of these defeatist pubtards.

Roger Black · 02-05-2010, 01:03 PM

t-down...
the whole point of the game is to promote teamplay and this mode ignores and undermines that aspect..
it is unneeded in comps and definitely useless in pubs...
also i personally hate quitters

karadoc · 02-06-2010, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ali Radicali

I most strongly oppose this suggestion. In the pubs I play, people start whining for a remake or end as early as 12 minutes(!) into the game, and for the most trivial things.

Their imba Baratrum Void lane feeding CM + Slardar doublestun lane? Just say "RMK Void and Bara feeder nobs" in all chat.

Seriously the last thing I want is for 90% of my games to be over after the laning phase just because of these defeatist pubtards.

I very much doubt that this would cause problems anything like what you are describing. The entire team would have to resign to end the game, not just one or two whiners. I certainly wouldn't resign that early in the game. Would you? Would any of your friends?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Black

t-down...
the whole point of the game is to promote teamplay and this mode ignores and undermines that aspect..
it is unneeded in comps and definitely useless in pubs...
also i personally hate quitters

I don't understand what you mean. In what way does this suggestion undermine teamplay? Honestly, I have no idea what makes you think that teamwork in this game would be hurt by a command that allowed a team to resign. In my original post, I explained that the primary purpose of this command is to encourage players to not leave the game until their whole team agrees that they have lost. To me that seems pro-teamplay. So I really don't know what you are talking about. You say you hate quiters... well that's good. Again, the purpose of this command is to encourage people to -not quit-. The idea is that players will be less likely to quit if they know that the other players on their team have not given up.

ALEXALEX303 · 03-18-2010, 03:08 AM

T-Down or give the host a command when to enable it or not something like:
-apsoro(Resign On)
otherwise you will just get an ultra-kill and see "Victory!" ..it just ruines everything.

Idealistic · 04-02-2010, 12:34 PM

I agree with alexalex. Make a mode Resign On, so the host gets to enable it or not.

Also, shouldn't the word be forfeit instead of resign?

Blasz · 04-04-2010, 03:31 AM

I agree to this to some extent.

It would eliminate the need for inhouse leagues to make rules regarding forfeiting and make it more "official".

I would like to see an option to revoke your -resign, if you typed it "in the heat of the moment" and then realised you had a chance to win.

An additional note, it would be good to implement something that if everyone from the opposition leaves, the tree/throne gets destroyed and it goes to the end game screen as if you destroyed it normally. This would help anything that keeps records of stats such as creeps and k/d from getting abused like as OP said, fountain camping leaver heroes. It's kind of pointless playing on after everyone has left.

LethalWeapon · 04-04-2010, 04:39 AM

Overall, I agree with OP's suggestion and the many others that are just like this one.
However, I think there should also be a command that undoes their decision (-unresign?) just in case anybody changes their mind or something.
T-up

Tiche3 · 04-04-2010, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LethalWeapon

Overall, I agree with OP's suggestion and the many others that are just like this one.
However, I think there should also be a command that undoes their decision (-unresign?) just in case anybody changes their mind or something.
T-up

This. IMO the command sounds great! If your WHOLE team thinks they lost the game, this command would prevent from fountain-farming and stuff. And no to people that say: Some whinners will cry and ruin the game. Wake up, WHOLE TEAM?
There should totally be -unresign if you changed your mind about it.
Maybe -ro command (the host) could be used too, but if there is -unresign, the -ro won't be useful

Totally Thumbs-up bro. Hope this thing would be implemented

Shizzy- · 04-07-2010, 04:34 AM

What's the point, there's pub leavers in ALMOST EVERY GAME. I got 3 games in 1 month that nobody left.

l0r4k · 04-11-2010, 04:13 PM

!ff in RankedGaming is the same thing mentioned in this suggestion.

02-02-2010, 02:48 PM	#1
karadoc Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 863	[Command] -resign The problem that I want to address with this command is that some players will give up and leave before the game is over. For example after a team wipeout some players will think that their team has surely lost, and so they just leave the game. Unfortunately, if the rest of the players don't think the game is over, then the game has just been spoiled by the leaver. I'd like to encourage people to not leave the game until the whole team has agreed that they have been defeated. -- So I suggest the "-resign" command. Here's how it works. At any time in the game, any player can type "-resign". When a player does this, that player will be marked as having resigned, ie. given up. If only some members of a team are marked as having resigned then the game continues as normal. But if every member of one team resigns, the game ends immediately as if the tree/throne was destroyed. The team that resigns is defeated. The benefits would be that players would know whether or not the rest of their team thought they still have a chance; and if the team agrees that they have been defeated then the game can end gracefully, without fountain farming, and without having to wait for the tree/throne to be destroyed, and without the feeling the the game was spoiled people leaving before the end. Obviously this wouldn't stop all leavers, but I do think it would stop some. And I'm sure it would help end some games that would otherwise have dragged on past the point of fun. What do you think?

02-02-2010, 03:26 PM	#2
Dejaime Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Bot Posts: 1,261 Blog Entries: 2	Re: [Command] -resign Not a bad idea... The best part is that it can be ignored, so those who don't like it wont suffer. tup __________________ Fix - Storm Spirit's Ulti [Agha] for OmniKnight Just wait for the Server.dll fgs

02-02-2010, 04:32 PM	#3
Zangetsu2201 Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 4,507 Blog Entries: 6	Re: [Command] -resign Good idea, but most of the leavers leave the game because they got pwned/annoyed/mad and, at this point, I don't think that they give a rat's ass about their team's opinion of the game being over or not...

02-02-2010, 06:36 PM	#4
NHP54 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Pullman, Wash. Posts: 1,089	Re: [Command] -resign Hmm, I would prefer to have the resigning feature be more all at once. For example, the resigning feature should only count if the players of one team all resign within 10 seconds of one another. I don't like the idea of people just resigning throughout the game, making the resigning votes so spread apart. __________________ Butch T. Cougar thinks you should ... Check out my hero suggestion. Goliath the Guardian Golem

02-03-2010, 09:27 AM	#5
karadoc Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 863	Re: [Command] -resign @Zangetsu2201, I think you're probably right about there being a whole lot of players who don't really care and will just leave anyway - but I reckon there are at least some who do care. I reckon that if someone says "gg" before they abandon their team that's a sign that they might have stuck around if they knew their team was still going to keep trying. And as dejaime said, the new command could be ignored, so there's no harm in trying it. Maybe it will help. @NHP54, I've thought about what it would be like if everyone had to resign in within a certain time window - I reckon that would probably work just as well and I'd be happy with that. But still, I think I'd prefer it to be untimed. I imagine myself playing in a game where I think I've got no chance of winning - I want to just type -resign and then keep playing without having to think too much about it and without having to resign again whenever the timer expires. Nar, I just think it would be a bit better if I could type -resign and then just keep on playing without having to pressure my teammates to resign within the time window. But like I said, I'd be happy enough with the command either way. I'd be interested to know how other people think it would work best.

02-03-2010, 09:39 AM	#6
Infrisios Forum Staff Join Date: May 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 2,529 Blog Entries: 3	Re: [Command] -resign I'd call this command -ff. __________________ Mechanic Article - Clickability My suggestions RATATATATA When they come for me, I'll be sitting at my desk With a gun in my hand, wearing a bulletproof vest singing "My, my, my, how the time does fly, when you know you're going to die By the end of the night." And said hey - Streetlight Manifesto - Keasbey Nights

02-03-2010, 03:46 PM	#7
Dejaime Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Bot Posts: 1,261 Blog Entries: 2	Re: [Command] -resign Maybe -ssuutb (somebody set us up the bomb, 0wing?, no o-o) __________________ Fix - Storm Spirit's Ulti [Agha] for OmniKnight Just wait for the Server.dll fgs

02-04-2010, 04:12 AM	#9
LightningZLaser Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,439	Re: [Command] -resign And as a "reward of satisfaction" to the opposing team, maybe a Victory Screen can be shown. For example: Attached Thumbnails

02-04-2010, 02:57 PM	#10
karadoc Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 863	Re: [Command] -resign As I described it, normal victory screen would be shown. The game would end in exactly the same way as it does when the throne/tree is destroyed. Such-and-such team has won, scoreboard, etc. Surely that's more satisfying than just having a people gradually leave one by one. It's a clear and decisive end to the game. Secondly, in my opinion this command would be much easier and cleaner to use compared to trying to discuss with your team whether or not you should give up. @Subway, you come across as being a bit bitter about this, but I don't see why. This suggestion has nothing to do with making it easier to cope with loss. It's about keeping the game going when it isn't yet over, and getting a cleaner finish when it is.

02-05-2010, 10:56 AM	#11
Ali Radicali Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Amsterdam, Holland Posts: 3,083	Re: [Command] -resign I most strongly oppose this suggestion. In the pubs I play, people start whining for a remake or end as early as 12 minutes(!) into the game, and for the most trivial things. Their imba Baratrum Void lane feeding CM + Slardar doublestun lane? Just say "RMK Void and Bara feeder nobs" in all chat. Seriously the last thing I want is for 90% of my games to be over after the laning phase just because of these defeatist pubtards. __________________ More Bang For Your Buck a guide to optimising stats, heals and regeneration. Alric the Avatara, a cunning caster hero Mana Stone, a mana consumable DotA stencil art -\|-\|- Non-DotA stencil art

02-05-2010, 01:03 PM	#12
Roger Black Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Ipoh, Perak, Malaysia Posts: 6,316	Re: [Command] -resign t-down... the whole point of the game is to promote teamplay and this mode ignores and undermines that aspect.. it is unneeded in comps and definitely useless in pubs... also i personally hate quitters __________________ Miku CAMCT: NiNO My Brain is Full of Userbar/Links by xbadboyzx by xbadboyzx

04-02-2010, 12:34 PM	#15
Idealistic Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 185 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [Command] -resign I agree with alexalex. Make a mode Resign On, so the host gets to enable it or not. Also, shouldn't the word be forfeit instead of resign?

04-04-2010, 03:31 AM	#16
Blasz Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 275	Re: [Command] -resign I agree to this to some extent. It would eliminate the need for inhouse leagues to make rules regarding forfeiting and make it more "official". I would like to see an option to revoke your -resign, if you typed it "in the heat of the moment" and then realised you had a chance to win. An additional note, it would be good to implement something that if everyone from the opposition leaves, the tree/throne gets destroyed and it goes to the end game screen as if you destroyed it normally. This would help anything that keeps records of stats such as creeps and k/d from getting abused like as OP said, fountain camping leaver heroes. It's kind of pointless playing on after everyone has left.

04-07-2010, 04:34 AM	#19
Shizzy- Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,177	Re: [Command] -resign What's the point, there's pub leavers in ALMOST EVERY GAME. I got 3 games in 1 month that nobody left. __________________ Sig Steam Linux Discussion Thread PlayDotA Voice Server Click Me PlayDotA Voice Server

04-11-2010, 04:13 PM	#20
l0r4k Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Poznan,Poland Posts: 1,977	Re: [Command] -resign !ff in RankedGaming is the same thing mentioned in this suggestion. __________________ [SIGPIC UNDER CONSTRUCTION /troll] Do you like -so? Yes No __ I LOVE YOU!