[FIX] Slark's pounce

ILikeYou · 02-02-2010, 09:11 PM

Hey guys.
Here is the thing about pounce:
it is a nice skill to catch up and stuff, to stack up essence shift and everything.
of course its not so easy to land but what really isnt necessary is THAT IT WORKS ON CREEPS!
had it several times now, that i jumped on an enemy, and got bound to a ghoul which just decided to run circles around my victims.
you couls say " ahmagawd newb l2use the skill!" but srsly, what is the purpose??
creeps dont run away anyways?

so simple suggestion:
Let Pounce only work on heros.

Pros:
[+]Makes chasing easier when a creepwave comes by
[+]Makes Slarks laning a bit easier

Cons
[-]

Lord_Talron · 02-02-2010, 09:15 PM

makes perfect sense. it also gives slark a better escape mechanism as he can now leap over cliffs.

i see no reason to tdown this; he needs a buff

inb4 qqing nubs whining about how OP slark is

ILikeYou · 02-02-2010, 09:19 PM

he can allrdy leap over cliffs :O
but its true, its a better escape mechanism, since you cant jump out of a enemy creepwave

Zangetsu2201 · 02-02-2010, 09:22 PM

He needs a buff, but not this one. Why not make Hook and Arrow not hit creeps? -_-

g4ry_o4k · 02-02-2010, 09:22 PM

T-down for this up there ^^^^^

Black.Lotus · 02-02-2010, 09:24 PM

T-up!!

ILikeYou · 02-02-2010, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zangetsu2201

He needs a buff, but not this one. Why not make Hook and Arrow not hit creeps? -_-

why did i even quote that. . .

Zangetsu2201 · 02-02-2010, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILikeYou

why did i even quote that. . .

Why did I quote this?

Really, is this a game I'm not aware of?

Lord_Talron · 02-02-2010, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zangetsu2201

He needs a buff, but not this one. Why not make Hook and Arrow not hit creeps? -_-

why not make hook not snag allied creeps and heroes? arrow doesnt hit allies!

my point? those spells have different mechanics too. pounce isnt near as gamechanging as a good hook or arrow as pounce brings a low hp hero right next to you just ASKING to be killed

Zangetsu2201 · 02-02-2010, 09:43 PM

But Pounce, even with the possibility of hitting creeps, is much easier to land and it could be as game breaking as good stun/hook.

drogirant · 02-02-2010, 10:47 PM

Yeah, you bind the enemy to the area..... unless that enemy is retarded or something he will simply walk turn and kill the uber fish, AoE him, or maybe walk around in circles dodging some dmg or AoE spells, instead of trying to move forward.... t-up for this, a simple convinience.....

bnalz · 02-02-2010, 10:57 PM

Oh my god, you all must be kidding. That guy was obviously kidding about the hook and arrow.

About the pounce: It's perfect now. It's not difficult to land it.

Tain · 02-03-2010, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bnalz

Oh my god, you all must be kidding. That guy was obviously kidding about the hook and arrow.

About the pounce: It's perfect now. It's not difficult to land it.

OP sad no posts like this, we don't care about your leet skills.

i really find pouncing the creeps a design error. so yeah i am for this change.

evilcamba · 02-03-2010, 09:48 AM

^ agreed. pouncing the creeps is just..

it's a good suggestion.

it's a chasing/escaping skill.

why would icefrog make it hit the creeps anyway??

Loveless24 · 02-03-2010, 10:53 AM

yes. It work against creeps, even an allied creeps. Tested

I just experienced it this afternoon. I used pounce with my creep blocking me, then the leap stopped =,= pretty annoying

Zangetsu2201 · 02-03-2010, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loveless24

yes. It work against creeps, even an allied creeps. Tested

Pounce doesn't work on allied creeps... -_- Test again!

Loveless24 · 02-03-2010, 11:06 AM

It doesn't lash them. But they will block pounce. Or its a bug

ILikeYou · 02-03-2010, 11:39 AM

Not true, it does bind you to the creep, which is complete nonsense

Loveless24 · 02-03-2010, 12:14 PM

^ See, i'm right

Subway · 02-03-2010, 04:20 PM

Heroes, items and skills have their obvious benefits and subtle consequences of a failed pick, purchase or maneuver. The reason you grapple a creep is most likely an attempt to draw some difference between pounce and Mirana's leap. Otherwise, it's borderline copy paste hero making.

Slark can go invisible, can heal fast, can steal attributes. He is such a well rounded hero and this could be the single drop in the bucket that punished him for a failed gank attempt. Look to Alch's Unstable Concoction for a similar pattern. You're trying to stun/nuke the enemy... If it's not initiated sooner or you get juked guess what? You're stunned/nuked.

It's not a bad suggestion. I don't approve though :/
T

02-02-2010, 09:11 PM	#1
ILikeYou Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 911	[FIX] Slark's pounce Hey guys. Here is the thing about pounce: it is a nice skill to catch up and stuff, to stack up essence shift and everything. of course its not so easy to land but what really isnt necessary is THAT IT WORKS ON CREEPS! had it several times now, that i jumped on an enemy, and got bound to a ghoul which just decided to run circles around my victims. you couls say " ahmagawd newb l2use the skill!" but srsly, what is the purpose?? creeps dont run away anyways? so simple suggestion: Let Pounce only work on heros. Pros: [+]Makes chasing easier when a creepwave comes by [+]Makes Slarks laning a bit easier Cons [-] __________________ Dunja sagt (10:47 PM) mb 3some with me and tom

02-02-2010, 09:15 PM	#2
Lord_Talron Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Not-doing-hero-reviews-requests land. Been there a while. Posts: 5,442 Blog Entries: 20	Re: [FIX] Slark's pounce makes perfect sense. it also gives slark a better escape mechanism as he can now leap over cliffs. i see no reason to tdown this; he needs a buff inb4 qqing nubs whining about how OP slark is __________________ Current Suggestions In Progress [BUFF] Mortred: allow butterfly\Storm Spirit Aghs\ Buff KotL\Buff Troll Battle Trance Buff/remake Medusa\Doom/neutral tweak\ Check out my IN PROGRESS suggestions!

02-02-2010, 09:19 PM	#3
ILikeYou Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 911	Re: [FIX] Slark's pounce he can allrdy leap over cliffs :O but its true, its a better escape mechanism, since you cant jump out of a enemy creepwave __________________ Dunja sagt (10:47 PM) mb 3some with me and tom

02-02-2010, 09:22 PM	#4
Zangetsu2201 Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 4,507 Blog Entries: 6	Re: [FIX] Slark's pounce He needs a buff, but not this one. Why not make Hook and Arrow not hit creeps? -_-

02-02-2010, 09:22 PM	#5
g4ry_o4k Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chicagoland Area Posts: 55	Re: [FIX] Slark's pounce T-down for this up there ^^^^^ __________________

02-02-2010, 09:24 PM	#6
Black.Lotus Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The World Posts: 4,626 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [FIX] Slark's pounce T-up!! __________________ <MISSING> Don't like the Switch Mode? Join this group: <Click> <MISSING>

02-02-2010, 09:43 PM	#10
Zangetsu2201 Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 4,507 Blog Entries: 6	Re: [FIX] Slark's pounce But Pounce, even with the possibility of hitting creeps, is much easier to land and it could be as game breaking as good stun/hook.

02-02-2010, 10:47 PM	#11
drogirant Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Srbija Posts: 376	Re: [FIX] Slark's pounce Yeah, you bind the enemy to the area..... unless that enemy is retarded or something he will simply walk turn and kill the uber fish, AoE him, or maybe walk around in circles dodging some dmg or AoE spells, instead of trying to move forward.... t-up for this, a simple convinience..... __________________ `ǝƃɐd ɹnoʎ ʇɐ s!ɥʇ ǝʇsɐd puɐ ʎdoɔ 'sʎɐs s!ɥʇ ʇɐɥʍ ʇno ǝɹnƃIɟ oʇ ɥƃnouǝ ʇɹɐɯs ǝɹɐ noʎ ɟI

02-02-2010, 10:57 PM	#12
bnalz Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3	Re: [FIX] Slark's pounce Oh my god, you all must be kidding. That guy was obviously kidding about the hook and arrow. About the pounce: It's perfect now. It's not difficult to land it.

02-03-2010, 09:48 AM	#14
evilcamba Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 130	Re: [FIX] Slark's pounce ^ agreed. pouncing the creeps is just.. it's a good suggestion. it's a chasing/escaping skill. why would icefrog make it hit the creeps anyway?? __________________ Check it out.. 1v2 triple kill..

02-03-2010, 10:53 AM	#15
Loveless24 Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 561	Re: [FIX] Slark's pounce yes. It work against creeps, even an allied creeps. Tested I just experienced it this afternoon. I used pounce with my creep blocking me, then the leap stopped =,= pretty annoying

02-03-2010, 11:06 AM	#17
Loveless24 Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 561	Re: [FIX] Slark's pounce It doesn't lash them. But they will block pounce. Or its a bug

02-03-2010, 11:39 AM	#18
ILikeYou Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 911	Re: [FIX] Slark's pounce Not true, it does bind you to the creep, which is complete nonsense __________________ Dunja sagt (10:47 PM) mb 3some with me and tom

02-03-2010, 12:14 PM	#19
Loveless24 Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 561	Re: [FIX] Slark's pounce ^ See, i'm right

02-03-2010, 04:20 PM	#20
Subway Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Azeroth Posts: 4,334	Re: [FIX] Slark's pounce Heroes, items and skills have their obvious benefits and subtle consequences of a failed pick, purchase or maneuver. The reason you grapple a creep is most likely an attempt to draw some difference between pounce and Mirana's leap. Otherwise, it's borderline copy paste hero making. Slark can go invisible, can heal fast, can steal attributes. He is such a well rounded hero and this could be the single drop in the bucket that punished him for a failed gank attempt. Look to Alch's Unstable Concoction for a similar pattern. You're trying to stun/nuke the enemy... If it's not initiated sooner or you get juked guess what? You're stunned/nuked. It's not a bad suggestion. I don't approve though :/ T __________________