[Hero]Bone Fletcher

teng) · 02-03-2010, 12:02 PM

Bone Fletcher
Problems on Bone:
- He has low HP, low mana, and low dps
- He needs HP, mana, and dps item (unlike Viper and SF that only needs HP/survival item)
- He cant farm well
- easily kill by nuke and disable
- Bad attack animation
- WW should be a gank skill, but he suck in ganking
- Searing arrow is a joke compare to Poison Attack (48 dmg + 40% slow), Necromastery (+60 dmg, passive), and Empower (+60% dmg, last 30 sec)

What he needs:
- fix his mana problem
- improve his ganking ability
- give him at least one slow/stun/silence/disable

Title
Name

Strength - 16 + 1.6
Agility - 22 + 3
Intelligence - 18 + 1.6

Affiliation:	Affiliation
Damage:	44 - 46
Armor:	2.1
Movespeed:	300
Attack Range:	600

Quote:

Strafe - Passive

__________ Clinkz attacks faster the lower the target's health is.

__ ____. ________. _______. ___. _______. __________________________.
Mana Cooldown C. Range AoE Duration Effects
1 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 10% AS bonus
2 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 20% AS bonus
3 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 30% AS bonus
4 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 40% AS bonus

Notes:
Starts off with 10/20/30/40% AS bonus, and +10/20/30/40% bonus AS for each 20% missing hp of target unit.

Modify from Viper's Nethertoxin, simple and effective.

Quote:

Searing Arrows - Active

__________ __________ Increases the damage of the Hero's attack by adding fire. Explode after 4 seconds.

__ ____. ________. _______. ___. _______. __________________________.
Mana Cooldown C. Range AoE Duration Effects
1 10 2 600 N/A 4 20 bonus damage
2 10 1 600 N/A 4 30 bonus damage
3 10 0 600 N/A 4 40 bonus damage
4 10 0 600 N/A 4 50 bonus damage

Notes:
Explode damage = Half damage received from Searing Arrows from last 4 seconds. 200 AOE.

Target will be slow by 30% for 2 sec after the explosion.

Example: You turn on Searing Arrows and attacks a Hero, and you deal 8 attacks in 4 seconds. So the Searing Arrows stack up (8 hits x 50 damage each)200 magical damage.

Quote:

Wind Walk - Active, self buff

____________________ Turn invisible for a period of time, increasing movement speed.

__ ____. ________. _______. ___. _______. __________________________.
Mana Cooldown C. Range AoE Duration Effects
1 65 22 N/A N/A 20 Increases his movement speed by 10%
2 65 20 N/A N/A 25 Increases his movement speed by 20%
3 65 18 N/A N/A 30 Increases his movement speed by 30%
4 65 16 N/A N/A 35 Increases his movement speed by 40%

Notes:
Improve the cooldown.

Quote:

Death Pact - Active

__________

Mark a target. Bone able to kill it and returning a percentage of its life anytime. Death Pact will passively activate when your hitpoints drop below 350 hp. Mark last 20 sec.

__	____.	________.	_______.	___.	_______.	__________________________.
	Mana	Cooldown	C. Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	100	20	500	N/A	20	Converts 50% of the HP of the target.
2	100	20	700	N/A	20	Converts 100% of the HP of the target.
3	100	20	900	N/A	20	Converts 150% of the HP of the target.

Sub Skill:
Death Pact - Active

__________

Kills a target unit, returning a percentage of its life.

Notes:

More efficient way for Bonez to survive since he has low HP.

Death Pact is an important skill to counter Chen's mass Creeps strategy.

Please do not comment on numbers.

Loveless24 · 02-03-2010, 12:11 PM

Yeah. I agree with your explanation. At the top

"SUPER~~~" poor attack animation, it's like a human archer. Draws the arrow then shoot. Compare to other arrow based animation (trax and mirana). Slow missile speed also but not a problem

About his hp and mana. Yay thats another problem .. It sucks, get zeus then this bone is owned.

And his ulti sux. It prevents you from going home though but not that useful. Compared to some ulti. Like infest of Naix. Low mana cost, cooldown. And make you invisible

---------- Post added at 08:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:10 PM ----------

Yeah. I agree with your explanation. At the top

"SUPER~~~" poor attack animation, it's like a human archer. Draws the arrow then shoot. Compare to other arrow based animation (trax and mirana). Slow missile speed also but not a problem

About his hp and mana. Yay thats another problem .. It sucks, get zeus then this bone is owned.

And his ulti sux. It prevents you from going home though but not that useful. Compared to some ulti. Like infest of Naix. Low mana cost, cooldown. And make you invisible

Monsterlord · 02-03-2010, 08:50 PM

Problems on Bone:
- He has low HP, low mana, and low dps
- He needs HP, mana, and dps item (unlike Viper and SF that only needs HP/survival item)
- He cant farm well- easily kill by nuke and disable
- Bad attack animation
- WW should be a gank skill, but he suck in ganking
- Searing arrow is a joke compare to Poison Attack (48 dmg + 40% slow), Necromastery (+60 dmg, passive), and Empower (+60% dmg, last 30 sec)

What he needs:
- fix his mana problem- improve his ganking ability
- give him at least one slow/stun/silence/disable

Bolded the parts that are fixed by orchids, which should be your first item after treads, no exceptions. Oh look, half of your arguement's fallen apart already.

Now for the rest of it.

Quote:

WW should be a gank skill, but he suck in ganking

No, it's for escape and mobility. Perma-522ms means you can change lanes in seconds.

Quote:

He needs HP .... easily kill by nuke and disable

If the other team is disable heavy, the next items is bkb after your orchids. Fixes both hp and disable problems.

Quote:

- Searing arrow is a joke compare to Poison Attack (48 dmg + 40% slow), Necromastery (+60 dmg, passive), and Empower (+60% dmg, last 30 sec)

It's also an orb skill, which means you can use it in lane without creeps jumping your ass. Try that with Empower.

That leaves;

Quote:

- Bad attack animation

Which I'll admit, it is bad. However, Searing being a castable orb means you can least hit easily enough because of the extra hitting power it lends.

Dynes · 02-03-2010, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Improve the cooldown.

No numbers?

Anything else, most have been said.

Black.Lotus · 02-04-2010, 12:42 AM

The arrow idea is just too imbalanced!! T-DOWN for that!!
Also the suggested ultimate is like Abaddon's ultimate... and not really better than the current one, cause you still need a creep for that... what is if it automatically choose a low hp creep? Hahaha pure fail!!

Only the first ability is great... rework your suggestion...

Lord_Talron · 02-04-2010, 01:36 AM

interesting, but im not sure if needed. bone is pretty strong right now, even if competitive teams wont risk trying him

Linism · 02-04-2010, 01:50 AM

The Searing Arrows is too much. It costs almost nothing but does both what his old Searing and Drow's Cold Arrow does AND IT EXPLODES.

The reason BF never had a disable was because his skill combination of Searing + Strafe is deadly on unwary heroes.

The reason he is paper thin is because you need both a disable and True Sight to kill him. Unlike SA or BH, his invisible grants him monstrous speed. So if you're planning to make him less paper, nerf his escape mechanism.

The Ultimate, what happens when the creep dies?

thekodobeast · 02-04-2010, 02:26 AM

Some neat ideas in here, though I don't agree with buffing Fletcher so much. Consider all of the direct buffs he's already received lately, ontop of all the buffs suggested here. Way over the top.

Strafe: I'd prefer the burst IAS over the Nethertoxin-esque approach. Gives Fletcher more control. Plus having a passive 40% IAS at all times would be way too strong combined with the current Searing Arrows, let alone the suggested Searing Arrows remake.
It's clever though because it fixes his clunky attack animation in a way.

Searing Arrows: Holy moses, too many buffs on an already amazing skill. Let's run it down:

The 200 AoE won't have much effect outside of farming, pushing and counter-pushing. Clinkz has farming covered already and doesn't need a strong pushing skill.
If I understand correctly, the slow effect would take place after Clinkz stops using Searing Arrows on a target for four seconds. It would be kind of neat to pepper multiple targets for the slow and bonus explosion damage, but focus fire is at the hero's core.
It would give him too much lane control. The current iteration of Searing Arrows has already been buffed significantly in this regard, with 10 more damage and no cooldown at level 2 Searing Arrows. This would just be overkill.

The current Searing Arrows is already an excellent skill. There was a time when I thought it was the worst arrow effect (Frost Arrows, Poison Attack, Impetus, etc.) in the game but now it's one of the best. It's cheap, it gives high damage and can be abused very early in the game now. I don't believe Searing Arrows needs any more buffs.

Wind Walk: Buffing WW just for the sake of it. I don't see how this is justified as the cooldown is already low enough.

Death Pact: I like the concept behind this remake. Kind of a mix between Death Pact, Morph's Replicate and Abbadon's Borrowed Time. Might be too strong in some circumstances i.e. tag high health neutrals and go gank, knowing you have a 500-1000-1500 heal in your pocket. It's use on lane creeps is ineffective if the tagged creep takes damage and most of the time you want to Death Pact the ghouls / treants.

Overall I think the remake concepts are interesting, but not a good fit for Clinkz. There are far too many buffs in here as well, considering how many buffs he's received already. Focus on one skill to rework IMO.

02-03-2010, 12:11 PM	#2
Loveless24 Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 561	Re: [Hero]Bone Fletcher Yeah. I agree with your explanation. At the top "SUPER~~~" poor attack animation, it's like a human archer. Draws the arrow then shoot. Compare to other arrow based animation (trax and mirana). Slow missile speed also but not a problem About his hp and mana. Yay thats another problem .. It sucks, get zeus then this bone is owned. And his ulti sux. It prevents you from going home though but not that useful. Compared to some ulti. Like infest of Naix. Low mana cost, cooldown. And make you invisible ---------- Post added at 08:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:10 PM ---------- Yeah. I agree with your explanation. At the top "SUPER~~~" poor attack animation, it's like a human archer. Draws the arrow then shoot. Compare to other arrow based animation (trax and mirana). Slow missile speed also but not a problem About his hp and mana. Yay thats another problem .. It sucks, get zeus then this bone is owned. And his ulti sux. It prevents you from going home though but not that useful. Compared to some ulti. Like infest of Naix. Low mana cost, cooldown. And make you invisible

02-04-2010, 12:42 AM	#5
Black.Lotus Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The World Posts: 4,626 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [Hero]Bone Fletcher The arrow idea is just too imbalanced!! T-DOWN for that!! Also the suggested ultimate is like Abaddon's ultimate... and not really better than the current one, cause you still need a creep for that... what is if it automatically choose a low hp creep? Hahaha pure fail!! Only the first ability is great... rework your suggestion... __________________ <MISSING> Don't like the Switch Mode? Join this group: <Click> <MISSING>

02-04-2010, 01:36 AM	#6
Lord_Talron Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dota4 beta. U jelly? Posts: 3,186 Blog Entries: 14	Re: [Hero]Bone Fletcher interesting, but im not sure if needed. bone is pretty strong right now, even if competitive teams wont risk trying him __________________ Current Suggestions In Progress A minor change to neutral creep levels that will help doom and make more sense. Check out my IN PROGRESS suggestions!

02-04-2010, 01:50 AM	#7
Linism Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: location, location! Posts: 2,833	Re: [Hero]Bone Fletcher The Searing Arrows is too much. It costs almost nothing but does both what his old Searing and Drow's Cold Arrow does AND IT EXPLODES. The reason BF never had a disable was because his skill combination of Searing + Strafe is deadly on unwary heroes. The reason he is paper thin is because you need both a disable and True Sight to kill him. Unlike SA or BH, his invisible grants him monstrous speed. So if you're planning to make him less paper, nerf his escape mechanism. The Ultimate, what happens when the creep dies?

02-04-2010, 02:26 AM	#8
thekodobeast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 354	Re: [Hero]Bone Fletcher Some neat ideas in here, though I don't agree with buffing Fletcher so much. Consider all of the direct buffs he's already received lately, ontop of all the buffs suggested here. Way over the top. Strafe: I'd prefer the burst IAS over the Nethertoxin-esque approach. Gives Fletcher more control. Plus having a passive 40% IAS at all times would be way too strong combined with the current Searing Arrows, let alone the suggested Searing Arrows remake. It's clever though because it fixes his clunky attack animation in a way. Searing Arrows: Holy moses, too many buffs on an already amazing skill. Let's run it down: The 200 AoE won't have much effect outside of farming, pushing and counter-pushing. Clinkz has farming covered already and doesn't need a strong pushing skill. If I understand correctly, the slow effect would take place after Clinkz stops using Searing Arrows on a target for four seconds. It would be kind of neat to pepper multiple targets for the slow and bonus explosion damage, but focus fire is at the hero's core. It would give him too much lane control. The current iteration of Searing Arrows has already been buffed significantly in this regard, with 10 more damage and no cooldown at level 2 Searing Arrows. This would just be overkill. The current Searing Arrows is already an excellent skill. There was a time when I thought it was the worst arrow effect (Frost Arrows, Poison Attack, Impetus, etc.) in the game but now it's one of the best. It's cheap, it gives high damage and can be abused very early in the game now. I don't believe Searing Arrows needs any more buffs. Wind Walk: Buffing WW just for the sake of it. I don't see how this is justified as the cooldown is already low enough. Death Pact: I like the concept behind this remake. Kind of a mix between Death Pact, Morph's Replicate and Abbadon's Borrowed Time. Might be too strong in some circumstances i.e. tag high health neutrals and go gank, knowing you have a 500-1000-1500 heal in your pocket. It's use on lane creeps is ineffective if the tagged creep takes damage and most of the time you want to Death Pact the ghouls / treants. Overall I think the remake concepts are interesting, but not a good fit for Clinkz. There are far too many buffs in here as well, considering how many buffs he's received already. Focus on one skill to rework IMO.