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Old 08-13-2009, 08:06 AM   #1
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Well i am a new dota player (started 3 weeks ago) and my main problem is that i can't level up as quickly as my other friends. At the start its good but arriving at level 10, i seem to be stucked. So i cannot finish my item build since i get kill 2 or 3 times losing my gold.

What would you advise me?

What the base of leveling up?

Do i need to focus on last kill and denying only? or is there another way?

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Old 08-13-2009, 08:09 AM   #2
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Gank, gank and more gank. Best thing you can do around level 10 is gank or jungle in my opinion.
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Old 08-13-2009, 08:10 AM   #3
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to level up quickly:-

- kill every single creep.
- kill every meat tanks (they gave more exp).
- kill heroes... towers..

basically anything that appears red on ur map + neutral creeps (i think the appear as gold dots on the map iirc)


if u still hv problems farming, jz hang around a teammate, let him do all the killing, and u get to share the splitted amount of exp from his kills.
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Old 08-13-2009, 08:13 AM   #4
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Gank, gank and more gank. Best thing you can do around level 10 is gank or jungle in my opinion.
That's a misleading suggestion. Ganking will not level you up any faster, it will actually delay your leveling.

Ganking gives you the upper edge of pushing towers and so, but its the consequence of being level-gapped, especially when you leave your lane allowing your enemy to farm as hell.

I suggest to refrain from ganking every... 5 minutes or so? Try ganking when you already have the potential to kill. Ganking with a RoR, boots and wraith is not plausible, possibility is that you will die yourself. Try ganking when you've reached one or more of your core items. Level 12 is the ideal level to gank. Farm farm farm. Gank gank gank is the newb's way of playing, farming is a lot better.

The only time to gank in between farming is when the enemy is nearby, (you are in the jungle, then the enemy appears in the lane down nearby) (or if the player is really skilled and needs 2 men to bring him down).
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Old 08-13-2009, 08:14 AM   #5
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Hmmm thats good ideas...i'll try that.

Am a noob...whats gank?
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Old 08-13-2009, 08:15 AM   #6
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I find that ganking can be very nice with certain heroes, should have specified. Farming is good, yes. But it really depends on the hero your playing which you wanna do.

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Also I can teach you some tips on US East if you like.

Gank = Bringing several heroes to gang up on a target to kill them. "Gank lina," is a request for you to come help kill her.
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Old 08-13-2009, 08:19 AM   #7
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buy exp tomes on the secret shop.
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Old 08-13-2009, 08:21 AM   #8
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Hmmm thats good ideas...i'll try that.

Am a noob...whats gank?
Gang bang, other words, surprise handicap attack.
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Go kill their solo.
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Old 08-13-2009, 08:23 AM   #10
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You also probably wanna check out this area of our forum: Guides - DotA Allstars Official Website

^ That really doesn't do anything jamon except to keep their solo low leveled or get you killed. It only helps you level if your a jungler and ganking everyone.
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Old 08-13-2009, 08:25 AM   #11
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It depends alot on which type of games you are playing. If it's a game where everyone goes around ganking including yourself with your team, then a high level isn't normal, however, if it's a game of hard pushing you level up way faster. The most normal thing that you miss exp on as a beginner is that if let's say you get badly damaged and return to your base, then you will take the time to run back? I don't hope so, always use tp's to return to the lane and practise shopping faster so that you don't miss out on alot of exp that your friends and opponents gain on you while you're not on the lane. And also you should buy some kind of healing before going to a lane.

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Gank = Surprise attack on the enemy
Example: You come out of the forest and stuns a hero and the guys on that lane helps you and then you scored a kill for your team.
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Old 08-13-2009, 08:26 AM   #12
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Killing heroes is the best way to level up quickly. Try to tell your teammates to 'gank' your opponent's heroes. you get massive exp as long as you're around the opponent when he dies
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Also using getting a courier is a good idea so that if you do get heavily damaged or you need items you just use your courier to get them for you and bring them to you in lane while you stay in lane and get exp from creeps/hero kills.
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Old 08-13-2009, 08:29 AM   #14
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Somebody has to stop these spammers. zzz..

Another suggestions, when you feel like or when you don't see any other heroes at other lanes, and your somewhere pushing max, go back. This is simply a hint that tells you that they are all aligning and organizing a gank on you. This may be on of your problems that you don't get your item build from deaths. I've had similar experiences, but that was quite a long time ago. 2-3 years ago, when i was just new to DotA.

Last hitting is what i see as a bitch move, especially when your laning with 1 ally, and he keeps doing so. Its irritating, but once you learn how to do so, by pressing H, then manually attacking, triggering the last hit.

Denying is also good. But it requires as much skill as last-hitting. Denying is ideal for heroes like Nevermore, & Sniper. Nevermore needs the souls to give him more damage, Sniper has long range and fast projectile.
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Hey man, maybe you are having the same problem as me when I first started. I mean the laning phase is very easy to grasp. There comes a time however where no one stays in their lane anymore. Thats where I was lost and I stayed in my lane and got ganked pretty bad. The easiest way around this is to follow your allies. Dont steal their neutral creeps or they will flame you. After you have followed them for a while, they will signal on the minimap and you follow them there. There will usually be an enemy hero. Congrats, you have just participated in your first gank.

You might get flamed at the start for not being rich or not having items but it is the best way to learn the game since you will still get experience from whatever your allies are doing.

There were no guides/sites/wivot that I knew of at the time, so listen to these guys, its much easier than learning the hard way.
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tip : do not listen to wivott too much.
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Has anyone mentioned "not feeding"?

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for beginners i suggest using invoker.
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Farm, farm and farm.
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Old 08-13-2009, 09:33 AM   #20
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don't die, gank, join team fights, farm
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use meepo, you get 4 heroes, what's not to like?
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Old 08-13-2009, 09:42 AM   #22
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For the early periods ganking gives so little exp so don't do it, a level 1 hero gives the same exp as a ghoul+necromancer, or less than half the exp of a creep wave. A level 4 hero gives the same exp as a creep wave so it is still not worth it going over half the map just to kill one of those unless you have a lane partner who can eat the exp you leave behind. A level 7 hero gives more than twice the exp of a creep wave, at this time ganking starts to become very effective, and people are often still laning so now is the best time to gank.

However if there are no easy ganks don't just stand and wait, go and jungle, go and creep some lane near your tower etc, buy wards to avoid ganking etc. Wards are btw the best item in the game, for 100 gold you get 6 minutes of gank protection, without the wards you would either get ganked costing you more than the ward, or you would have to stop farming more often costing a lot more gold than the ward too, and you lose out on the exp to boot.

So buy wards, don't get ganked, gank when the opportunity arise.
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if your a newbie...

1 rule would be to be calculative.. and not be rambo.

just farm and try to stay alive. master your last hitting technique. Dota is a game of skill and money. if you don't have enough skill, then defeat them with High level items.
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Stay around creeps, neut or GANK.
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Old 08-13-2009, 10:44 AM   #26
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The thing is not to "level up quickly", it is to "level up quicker than your ennemies".
The main reason why people end up underlevelled in pub games is because they make pointless fountain trip. Don't do that, buy regen and stat items at the beginning (for example, 2 tangoes and 1 potion + 1 circlet and 2 ironwood branches) and try not to let the ennemy hitting you without you dealing at least as much damage to him in return. If your ennemies in the lane are very agressive, there is a golden rule : staying behind your creeps, out of your ennemy attack range, without last hitting at all is a thousand times better than trying to last hit and dying. If you do that, even against an agressive lane, you can easily end up outlevelling your ennemy (and everyone in the game) because they WILL, at one point, leave the lane to shop/regen/gank/whatever, and that's when you start getting "extra" xp (and then you can also start last hitting (never too late!)). If you're dead when your ennemy leaves the lane, you won't have the benefit of 60 seconds of free farming !
Ganking is good, but ganking can easily makes you underlevelled unless almost every one of your gank is successfull. If you die while ganking you will have : lost time (which means, gold and xp) travelling accross the map and lost gold and even more time waiting for your hero to respawn.
Also, always look at your map to see if a lane is safe and free, you level much faster alone.
The hard thing is to know when to "play alone" (to level up faster) and when to play with your team, because if you survive a successfull teamfight, you can easily gain 2levels, and that's when a team can definitely win the game.
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Ask 9 more friends to play together with. When game started ask them all to stay at base. There you go, highest level in the game.

...Seriously, get as many last hit as possible at laning phrase while deny every creep, while kill the enemy when have chance and harras him when possible, pull creep when creep is going to over but push tower when have the chance. Gank other enemy when you are free on hand or farmed your core item or ask for gank for your lane to take the tower down. This pretty much concluded how to stay at par level or higher level at the game, pretty easy... not. I played 5 years.
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Old 08-13-2009, 11:24 AM   #28
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I find that ganking can be very nice with certain heroes, should have specified. Farming is good, yes. But it really depends on the hero your playing which you wanna do.

Here read this: Learn DotA

Also I can teach you some tips on US East if you like.

Gank = Bringing several heroes to gang up on a target to kill them. "Gank lina," is a request for you to come help kill her.
Thank you Mr Wivot...

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Get chicken on every hero, except maybe when you plan to buy your shit from the sideshop.
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this are just some of my POV..^_^

+ super last hit creeps in lanes
+ look out for dying creeps when creeping/laning with your allies, then get the "just right about distance" to gain exp
+ gank
-> if you can solo kill early with heavy nuking heroes might as well do that

well, maybe the key is to stand and stay on the approriate distance when an enemy creeps/heroes dies + avoid dying early
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a friend of mine had this exact problem. we asked him to just observe our ih game once, and he says on vent, "ohhh, you have to be that close to be in the exp range???" we loled.

but that could be your problem. when the creeps die, does your exp meter go up?
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for beginners i suggest using invoker.
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NO, Invoker is for non-newb players. Seriously. End point.
Ganking isn't the only solution. My bro went around ganking from lvl 7+ with his team and in the end, all of his team were 3-6 lvls lower than the enemy team.

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early game you want to stay in your lane as long as possible (as in don't go back to fountain) this can be done by getting Regen items (ring, tangos, flasks, bottle) or stats such as branches to boost ur survivability, also stay within experience range of creeps dying

nearing the start of mid game (let's say after level 8)... or earlier, if your friends are ganking and you are close by, help them, ganking and killing heroes (or staying close to experience range) will help you level up along side your friends

besides that, just remember not to roam around doing nothing (trying to gank and fail, running back and forth from fountain, or dying a lot) these are all ways to slow down your experience level

play smart, stay safe, be aggressive only to bait, initiate ganks, or follow up ganks depending on your hero, in the heat of battle don't run away if no one is hitting you, attack (but when in trouble run in different directions from teammates, use juke spots, or run to heroes coming to save u)

as for gold, concentrate on last hit since you are a beginner, most likely you play in games where denies don't do that much (but always good to practice to deny) and don't die (call missings heroes, listen to your team, check minimap, don't wander off too far, if you push far and expect a gank, think of where the enemy may come from and don't walk that way, carry a tp, use juke spots)

remember to harass enemy back if you have the mana (and you don't need to save it for a special occasion), and if you are range, try to harass back those enemies who walk up close to you in order to harass you (keeping enemies hp low as well can reduce their aggressiveness (so they don't tower dive to kill you, or they stop walking up to hit u as much and so u can stay in lane longer)
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First off, don't die. Dying gives exp to the enemy, loses you gold, and wastes your time reviving and having to go back to your lane. In general, regen items (consumables are best value--tangoes, salves) as well as stats are usually a good way to keep your health up early, at the same time avoiding early fountain trips which waste as much time as dying.

Specifically, if you aren't playing an early ganker/support, don't spend too much time ganking early--if your teammates ask for help, help if you are close, but otherwise just focus on exp and gold to maximize your potential mid to late game. In other words, don't try to force a gank if it isn't there; roaming and waiting around for the perfect gank that never comes will just deny you exp and gold.

Also, if you find the enemy ganking a lot, don't push too far in your lane especially if you are alone. For every attack on an enemy creep, try to attack an allied creep, preferably getting the last hits on both. This will help ensure that it is harder to gank you.

As for mid game, it depends again on what hero you are playing. Once you feel you are strong enough to gank with your allies, go for it. As mentioned earlier, a few successful team fights can tip the game in your favor.
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play lots of games and you learn, lvling fast, learning heroes, ganking, items all comes from experience, experience comes from games, and games you find on bnet, LOTS OF THEM, just play play play play playplay until your eyes and fingers bleed, then you learn how to lvl fast (: fastest way to learn how to lvl up fast.
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Gotta object one thing. Ganking is nowhere near the best leveling style. Ganks often fail, you gotta wait for opportunity and/or share exp with your teammates. Farming is always a faster way to level up. And for last hitting creeps I recommend not using Hold, but walking around using RMB and coming next to creeps only when you lasthit. It keeps you further away from fire and confuses your opponents. If you come next to creep and stand there pressing hold waiting for lasthit you'll be too easy of target for skills like torrent or split earth. I am experienced player, trust me.
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Hi people

Well i am a new dota player (started 3 weeks ago) and my main problem is that i can't level up as quickly as my other friends. At the start its good but arriving at level 10, i seem to be stucked. So i cannot finish my item build since i get kill 2 or 3 times losing my gold.

What would you advise me?

What the base of leveling up?

Do i need to focus on last kill and denying only? or is there another way?

Thank you
you know... i had the exactly same problem
but after playing, and playing, and playing even more i forgot...
and then you post and i remember it :P
so what im trying to say is that you practice, sooner or later you'll realize is not hapening anymore
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-lvlup 25

A good way to level fast is STAYING IS LANE. You must prevent enemies deniying his creeps, so you get 100% exp. Best, if your in a solo lane too.
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This seems to be a wall that almost everyone runs into, and I know I did a few weeks into playing DOTA. The key isn't ganking or staying in lane, the key is to not die, as others have stated, as it causes you from giving them xp and gold, and keeps you from getting xp and gold during the time you're reviving. When you hit mid-game there will be constant gank and countergank action going on. If you ever find yourself accross the river by yourself, you're in the wrong place. That river is the rubicon in midgame. Stay away from it, don't even get all that close to it when you're in a lane, as there are enough blindspots around it that there could be 3-5 heroes hiding in the shadows ready to jump out and gank you as soon as you're in the river area.

If your lane gets close to the river, head off to somewhere else, and that's when you do what other people in this thread have mentioned. Try to find a gank somewhere with your teammates, on someone who is pushing too far, either in the long lane on their side of the map, or near the middle on your own side. If everyone is doing something else, or you can't see any enemies, then do some jungling if your character allows it, or take that trip back to the fountain to pick up your items that are sitting there. It is far better to take a trip to the fountain voluntarily rather than getting sent there like an unruly child.

When your lane is back on your side so you can farm it, or if there is a lane without anything in it, use a town portal scroll to get back to farming as soon as possible, or port near a gank/team fight and help your team.


So in closing, Rule #1 - If you find yourself all alone far from your base, back the f up and get out of a closing vise.
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Old 08-13-2009, 07:13 PM   #40
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how can people not saying level is determined by your experience?
if you solo instead of dual lane, youll get exp more as it is not divided by 2 when an enemy creep dies
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