[AGI-Sentinel] Nemosus, Nature's Fury

talkingmuffin · 02-07-2010, 09:25 PM

Nemosus, Nature's Fury

Background Story: coming soon

BASIC INFORMATION

Affiliation: Sentinel
Theme: Nature

Strength: 16 + (1.6)
Agility: 27 + (3.4)
Intelligence: 17 + (1.8)

Health: 454
Mana: 221

Damage: 47-56
Armor: 3.8
Range: Melee (150)
Movement speed: 295
Sight range: 1800/1200

ICON SET

SKILLS

Explosive Seeds

(Target Area Nuke)

Rampant Growth

(Target Area Nuke)

Splinter

(Target Unit/Area Nuke)

Seed of Death

(Target Unit AoE DoT/Nuke)

Creator Notes:

Nemosus is supposed to be a very high nuking capable agility hero, so bear with the fact it has 4 spells
The synergy should be pretty obvious, if someone has a question on it please ask for the explanation
He has low INT gain to make it a challenge to use all of the spells at once
The stats gains per level are supposed to rival that of Rooftrellen, whom has 7.4 per level (Nemosus has 6.8)

cc.jmk! · 02-09-2010, 01:35 AM

Wow, i really like your skills :O i have almost nothing to comment on them, as they seem to well balanced.

1) Seed count is a little bit low IMO. Remember they deal physical damage.. so even when landing all 4 seeds on the same target would deal a really marginable damage. I see two paths to solve this; but i need an explanation first.. the 20% rooting chance is FOR EVERY SEED? or 20% If he has being hit by at least 1 seed?

..if it's option A: Increase seeds damage steadily.
..if it's option B: Increase seed count.

2) Slow effect ends if they get out of the 500 AoE? the more far away they are, the slower they became; but it counts when they where WHEN THE SPELL WAS CAST, or when they are actually? (meaning that as they escape, they become more and more slowed?)

3) I'm a little bit confused by the AoE.. They'll all travel within 50 range? that makes it a 99.99% chance of stunning xD I would either make the AoE bigger, or.. nothing.. make the AoE bigger :P

4) Interesting :O i'm again concerned for the low damage it deals for being Physical. Give it a nice boost ^^ Kaboom-damage is also quite dull

I really like the skill concept, but it's almost no worth the use with that lame damage. Also, 5 seconds is quite a long time to get rid of it, but 3 seconds, synerging with your slow, is a perma-boom. I would suggest 4 seconds, then. ^^

Quite a nice skill-set, took me a while to see the synergy (i still can't get the synergy with Splinter, but i'm fucking in love with that skill) but i like what i see.

An aside note appart from the hero. Please, check my hero suggestions and see how i use spoilers for skill tables. They help so much in ordering the suggestion. Also, use skill tables :P not just skill wall-of-text's

Greetings! ^^ and of course, you'r free to review any of my heroes (you have already done to the Sludge, from what i can recall, but it suffered some changes, so you'r free to pass-by again

)

talkingmuffin · 02-09-2010, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ccjmk

Wow, i really like your skills :O i have almost nothing to comment on them, as they seem to well balanced.

1) Seed count is a little bit low IMO. Remember they deal physical damage.. so even when landing all 4 seeds on the same target would deal a really marginable damage. I see two paths to solve this; but i need an explanation first.. the 20% rooting chance is FOR EVERY SEED? or 20% If he has being hit by at least 1 seed?

..if it's option A: Increase seeds damage steadily.
..if it's option B: Increase seed count.

2) Slow effect ends if they get out of the 500 AoE? the more far away they are, the slower they became; but it counts when they where WHEN THE SPELL WAS CAST, or when they are actually? (meaning that as they escape, they become more and more slowed?)

3) I'm a little bit confused by the AoE.. They'll all travel within 50 range? that makes it a 99.99% chance of stunning xD I would either make the AoE bigger, or.. nothing.. make the AoE bigger :P

4) Interesting :O i'm again concerned for the low damage it deals for being Physical. Give it a nice boost ^^ Kaboom-damage is also quite dull

I really like the skill concept, but it's almost no worth the use with that lame damage. Also, 5 seconds is quite a long time to get rid of it, but 3 seconds, synerging with your slow, is a perma-boom. I would suggest 4 seconds, then. ^^

Quite a nice skill-set, took me a while to see the synergy (i still can't get the synergy with Splinter, but i'm fucking in love with that skill) but i like what i see.

An aside note appart from the hero. Please, check my hero suggestions and see how i use spoilers for skill tables. They help so much in ordering the suggestion. Also, use skill tables :P not just skill wall-of-text's

Greetings! ^^ and of course, you'r free to review any of my heroes (you have already done to the Sludge, from what i can recall, but it suffered some changes, so you'r free to pass-by again

)

For Seed Explosion, it is 20% chance for every seed. Making it almost impossible for an enemy hit by all seeds not to be entangled after level 1.

For Rampant Growth, the slow and area are determined by the center of the casting point. The enemy hero gets slower as they get further from the casting point until they break free. The slow effect DOES end if they get out of the AoE.

For Splinter, I kind of wanted it to be a hit or miss thing, similar to Mirana's Arrow or Hook. They are hit or miss spells that are basically waste or win.

For Seed of Death, the main purpose of it being 5 seconds is the synergy with the other spells. The enemy can be entangled, stunned, and slowed. If played right that enemy has little to no chance at escaping from Nemosus.

Thanks for the review. I will be getting to your heroes as soon as I can (I have near 10+ hero reviews to do from requests and payments).

sandwichmelek · 02-09-2010, 08:18 AM

Mini review:

Starting stats:Pretty high as opposed to Harbinger's 69(you have 65)
Stats gain: 7.0 is huge, and i doubt he needs all that agility. Doesn't suit him to have that high agility gain, nerf it to 2.7
Model: Doensn't look to agile for that part.

First skill:Don't see why you have a 2 second delay, 1.5 is enough. The AoE is to big for 20 seeds, and damage is mediocre. More seeds or higher damage. This sounds a little like scatter shot.

Second skill: The slow is here to land you're spells, fair enough.

Third skill:50 range is like a pointer, this is a guarranted stun. Make the AoE more like silence(250AoE)

Ultimate:Rippoff of cold-feet. It is the same without the explosion part.
Synergy: First you cast second spell, for the slow, then first, for the possible entangle and damage, then ulti for the dot and AoE nuke, and finally third spell if he tries to run away. Simple.

carlvic · 02-09-2010, 08:31 AM

explosive seeds:

^^

talkingmuffin · 02-09-2010, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandwichmelek

Mini review:

Starting stats:Pretty high as opposed to Harbinger's 69(you have 65)
Stats gain: 7.0 is huge, and i doubt he needs all that agility. Doesn't suit him to have that high agility gain, nerf it to 2.7
Model: Doensn't look to agile for that part.

First skill:Don't see why you have a 2 second delay, 1.5 is enough. The AoE is to big for 20 seeds, and damage is mediocre. More seeds or higher damage. This sounds a little like scatter shot.

Second skill: The slow is here to land you're spells, fair enough.

Third skill:50 range is like a pointer, this is a guarranted stun. Make the AoE more like silence(250AoE)

Ultimate:Rippoff of cold-feet. It is the same without the explosion part.
Synergy: First you cast second spell, for the slow, then first, for the possible entangle and damage, then ulti for the dot and AoE nuke, and finally third spell if he tries to run away. Simple.

Starting Stats: Did you miss the Creator's Notes? His stats and his stats gain are supposed to rival that of Rooftrellen. Rooftrellen has 7.4 per level, Nemosus has 7.2 per level. Rooftrellen has 59 starting stats whereas Nemosus has 65, as you said. I noticed that is a lot so I'm debating lowering his starting strength.

First skill: The 2 second delay is to make it somewhat of a challenge to be able to use the full power of this skill. Whenever I play a hero with a skill like Scatter Shot, I make the AoE barely include the hero and make the rest of it encompass where the hero will most likely run. That would be the main idea for using this skill effectively. Also, each seed explodes in a 150 AoE, that means 3 seeds placed well could effectively hit the entire 350 AoE.

Second skill: The slow is meant to help land spells and to help control your enemies. All agility heroes love slows and stuns.

Third skill: It is like a pointer. As I mentioned to ccjmk, it is supposed to be similar to Mirana's Arrow and Pudge's Hook. Hit or miss. Go big or go home.

Ultimate: Yes, it is similar to Cold Feet with the need to run a certain distance and can stun if it doesn't, but it is different in the fact that it will explode stunning everyone near the afflicted unit and it slows the unit on its own.

Synergy: I more of thought of it going like this

Rampant Growth
Seed of Death
Exploding Seeds
Splinter

The reasons why I think it should do this is that the Rampant Growth cast first instantly starts the initiation process. The enemy hero is instantly slowed and will either start the fight or run (which will slow them). Casting Seed of Death next will increase the slow, so whether they run or stay they have even more slow on them. Also, with Seed of Death on them now they need to start running but most likely won't get to where they need to soon enough. Exploding Seeds is next because the chance to entangle them while they are being slowed by Rampant Growth and Seed of Death should skyrocket since they aren't going anywhere. Splinter is last because as a last resort you can use this high damage nuke and if you aim on them correctly, stun them. With all of that done, a single hero is dead.

Edit: Thank you for the icon carlvic!

talkingmuffin · 03-03-2010, 12:25 AM

I love lamp. I love reviews.

JJE92 · 03-18-2010, 07:45 AM

General Hero Idea: Well, we already have a treant using the nature theme, imo one is enough. Think of either another model or a different theme.
7/15

Skill 1: Challenging, but not really a that new concept, there are a lot of delayed skills in dota. However, the rest of the skill is quite nice, the way the damage is calculated is good, but the damage needs an icreasement, imo 40/40/50/50 would be optimal. Dont forget the delay, its already hard to hit enemies with this. The chance to entangle is quite cool as well.
I just got an idea, how about the seeds will grow to trees, which stay there for a few seconds, this would make it really original and fun, as you can create trees on lanes, create more juking on lane and such things. Damage would need to be decreased to 30/30/40/40 if youd add this, though ^^
7/10

Skill 2: Hmm, just a simple area dps/slow, but the way the slow is coded is nice and original.
6/10

Skill 3: Hmm, imo make it more different from other skills like this. How about this: the splinters are always shot in the direction you are looking.
I personally like the general idea of the skill, it could need a bit more originality, I hope you like my changes ^^
Make the stun counter 15/15/20/20 imo, I think that it should be possible to stun 2 units within one cast, but this would really require luck, skill and enemies who dont disable you.
6/10

Ult: This really reminds me of the Ult of my own hero suggestion ^^
Rise the damage, this is a fucking Ult, it should hurt the enemy.
Well, the main problem is its similarity with Cold Feet, I suppose this hero was made before AA. Hmm, on the other hand, this doesnt use a mark, but the hero only has to simply move 500 units, be it at the same place or walking away, right?
Well, Ill think about it, but it could need a remake.
5/10

Synergy: Obvious synergy is obvious, I dont think I have to explain anything here, its quite good.
18/20

Gameplay: Well, your gameplay resembles the gameplay of my hero suggestion ^^
Its pretty good and unique.
13/15

Model/Icons: Fine.
5/5

Stats: AGI wtf? Firstly, AGI is way too high, secondly, this should be changed to an INT hero, it doesnt fit to an AGI hero imo, its a spellcaster. And look at the model lol. AGI?
1/5

Overall: 68/100 = 68%
Overall, quite a nice concept, some things need to be changed (probably model and stats, Ult a bit remade and some minor issues), but still, you have a good hero idea with fun gameplay and synergies.

slomar33 · 03-18-2010, 09:12 AM

SORRY man but IMO a hero with 4 disables-->> 3 stuns and 1 slow is NEVER gonna be accepted thats too much disable for one guy, sometimes whole teams dont have that many disables so u got to nerf something down.

for your 1st skill i think 2 sec is too much and u need more dmg and lose the entangle.

for #3 make less splinters hitting do the stun. or if they fly in a straight line and really fast maybe its ok but i recon u want it to spread some and hot look like hook.

#2 needs some serious altering so he doesnt have so many stuns/disables
maybe make something that benefists him or allies. keep in mind this is a agi hero not a spellcaster so u cant have 4 nukes disables on him its just too much.

ulty
ulty is good i like it but again with 500 units crossed in 5sec that stun is never gonna activate.

JJE92 · 03-18-2010, 10:11 AM

^ Its 2 stuns, 1 entangle and 1 slow. But the 2 stuns are rather unreliable, only strong in combos and the entangle is even more unreliable ^^

slomar33 · 03-18-2010, 10:28 AM

yes exactly its 4 unreliable disables. its much beter to have one reliable or two noone wants to cast 4 spells and do nothing.

and by the way u really cant say that entangle is unreliabele because u got 20% chance on 10 seeds thats 200% chance and 99% probabilitie thats actually the most reliable thing if u get the timing right the splinters and ulty are way more unreliable. 500 units? thats nothing in 2 sec lethalone 5 sec
look at coldfeets areaa and time and think about how many times u see it disable anybody who knows they should run.

JJE92 · 03-18-2010, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slomar33

yes exactly its 4 unreliable disables. its much beter to have one reliable or two noone wants to cast 4 spells and do nothing.

The disables get more reliable in a combo, that is their strength. On their own, they are rather weak, but in combo, they can be really strong, you just have to know how and when to use them. This is challenging and it seems to me as if this was the intention of talkingmuffin ^^

Quote:

Originally Posted by slomar33

and by the way u really cant say that entangle is unreliabele because u got 20% chance on 10 seeds thats 200% chance and 99% probabilitie thats actually the most reliable thing if u get the timing right the splinters and ulty are way more unreliable.

Ehhm, you misunderstood something. The AoE of the seeds (150) is not as high as the aoe of the skill (350).
See, I made a picture for you, maybe add it to the skill, its important.

The outer circle is the 350 aoe, the inner circle the 150 aoe, I hope I calculated correctly with paint, but it should look like this ^^
Now, there are two seconds until the skill casts, the aoe of the seeds isnt that high, youd maybe get hit by 3-5 of these seeds and keep in mind that the chances are NOT stacking, meaning a 100% or 200% chance doesnt exist. Each seed has a chance on its own, you can be hit by all 10 of them and still not be entangled, although its very unlikely.

Quote:

Originally Posted by slomar33

500 units? thats nothing in 2 sec lethalone 5 sec
look at coldfeets areaa and time and think about how many times u see it disable anybody who knows they should run.

Thats what I said above. Its unreliable, but strong in a combo. Thats this hero's strength.

02-09-2010, 08:18 AM	#4
sandwichmelek Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,248 Blog Entries: 3	Re: [AGI-Sentinel] Nemosus, Nature's Fury Mini review: Starting stats:Pretty high as opposed to Harbinger's 69(you have 65) Stats gain: 7.0 is huge, and i doubt he needs all that agility. Doesn't suit him to have that high agility gain, nerf it to 2.7 Model: Doensn't look to agile for that part. First skill:Don't see why you have a 2 second delay, 1.5 is enough. The AoE is to big for 20 seeds, and damage is mediocre. More seeds or higher damage. This sounds a little like scatter shot. Second skill: The slow is here to land you're spells, fair enough. Third skill:50 range is like a pointer, this is a guarranted stun. Make the AoE more like silence(250AoE) Ultimate:Rippoff of cold-feet. It is the same without the explosion part. Synergy: First you cast second spell, for the slow, then first, for the possible entangle and damage, then ulti for the dot and AoE nuke, and finally third spell if he tries to run away. Simple. __________________ Disclaimer: Anything i post in a spoiler box is here only for info, read at your own risk. I do not take responsibility of you getting insulted.

02-09-2010, 08:31 AM	#5
carlvic Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the sky... with Bob Posts: 1,812 Blog Entries: 6	Re: [AGI-Sentinel] Nemosus, Nature's Fury explosive seeds: ^^ __________________

03-03-2010, 12:25 AM	#7
talkingmuffin Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Nasty Nati Posts: 531 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [AGI-Sentinel] Nemosus, Nature's Fury I love lamp. I love reviews. __________________ [Arcane Sanctum] Magic's Vengeance: Want some extra damage for your caster late game? [Ancient of Wonders] Happy Fun-Time Bomb: It looks as if it's... smiling. [AGI-Sentinel] Nemosus, Nature's Fury: AoE, spell dependent cousin of Rooftrellen. [STR-Sentinel] Harpeia, Dust Witch: SHE'S BRINGING THE PAIN TRAIN. [STR-Neutral] Grok'tul, Warbringer: Tank with strength based spells and a nice passive. [INT-Sentinel] Astruma, Fallen Star: Very unique, astral based hero. [AGI-Neutral] Iuguolo, Caustic Cut-Throat: Acid based with unique passive. [INT-Scourge] Vexistrasz, Flame Aspect: Melee AoE nuker. Great synergy.

03-18-2010, 09:12 AM	#9
slomar33 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 20	Re: [AGI-Sentinel] Nemosus, Nature's Fury SORRY man but IMO a hero with 4 disables-->> 3 stuns and 1 slow is NEVER gonna be accepted thats too much disable for one guy, sometimes whole teams dont have that many disables so u got to nerf something down. for your 1st skill i think 2 sec is too much and u need more dmg and lose the entangle. for #3 make less splinters hitting do the stun. or if they fly in a straight line and really fast maybe its ok but i recon u want it to spread some and hot look like hook. #2 needs some serious altering so he doesnt have so many stuns/disables maybe make something that benefists him or allies. keep in mind this is a agi hero not a spellcaster so u cant have 4 nukes disables on him its just too much. ulty ulty is good i like it but again with 500 units crossed in 5sec that stun is never gonna activate.

03-18-2010, 10:28 AM	#11
slomar33 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 20	Re: [AGI-Sentinel] Nemosus, Nature's Fury yes exactly its 4 unreliable disables. its much beter to have one reliable or two noone wants to cast 4 spells and do nothing. and by the way u really cant say that entangle is unreliabele because u got 20% chance on 10 seeds thats 200% chance and 99% probabilitie thats actually the most reliable thing if u get the timing right the splinters and ulty are way more unreliable. 500 units? thats nothing in 2 sec lethalone 5 sec look at coldfeets areaa and time and think about how many times u see it disable anybody who knows they should run.