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Old 02-08-2010, 03:02 PM   #1
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Default [Mode]Fast Mode(-fm)


Fear the game turning into a long 45 minute farm fest leading to boring gameplay and a waste of time?
Don't like the farming and pushing phase of the game?
Not having enough time to play even one single game of DotA a day?
Want a daily dose of action packed DotA without spending alot of time for it?

Then here is a fun mode which is dedicated to make the game more fast paced and which emphasizes early ganking and fast killings, making the game more action packed.

The idea is that, when this mode is entered, a timer will start after the initial creeps spawn lasting for about 20 minutes. When this timer ends the game ends and the winning team is the team which has the most kills. If both teams have equal kills it will be a draw.
You can see how much time is left on the upper-right corner, near the multiboard.
To make the game more interesting, we can put an initial level up and increase the starting gold for the players. Say, every hero starts at level 3 and has 300 extra gold in a 5v5 game.
Also, so prevent some abuses, when the 20 minute timer ends and there weren't any kills made in the previous 2 minutes, the game lasts for 1 more minute, if there still aren't any kills made in that one minute, the game lasts for another minute and so on.

Basically this is a fun mode for having an extremely short and fast-paced game so that next time you need to go to reach school within the next 30 minutes and don't play a game because of your fear of leaving in the middle of the game you can play this short, action packed, 20 minute game.

In Brief:
Counter starts when when the first creeps wave spawns.
When the counter ends, team with the most kills wins.
Mode for having short and fast-paced games which emphasize early ganking.

Pros:
  1. Short and fast paced game for people who don't have enough time.
  2. Mode mainly dedicated to ganking and killing early in the game.
  3. A new fun mode for those non-serious DotA players.

Cons:
  1. Being a fun mode, not many hosts may host it(you can play it with your friends however).
  2. Can cause an imbalance amongst heroes, making the hard carries not picked and the early gankers picked most of the time, but hey, that's the problem with every fun mode.

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  • dejaime, for suggesting the addition of extra gold and the initial level up.
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Old 02-08-2010, 03:07 PM   #2
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Default Re: [Mode]Fast Mode(-fm)

Nope,You dont have enough time? Then dont play it.You make it seem as though your forced to make all games into a farmfest.T-D
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Old 02-08-2010, 03:10 PM   #3
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Default Re: [Mode]Fast Mode(-fm)

Makes some heroes imba and others suck. and for the first 10 mins u wont do anything, T-down totally unnecessary
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Old 02-08-2010, 03:11 PM   #4
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Default Re: [Mode]Fast Mode(-fm)

Some people really don't have enough time so they can't play DotA but they do want to play it.
I never said all games are forced to be farmfests(although it may sound like that in the first line), they last for about 40 minutes on an average and there are chances that the game can go up to 1 hour or more.


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Why such? Its just a fun mode, have you ever played -wtf mode? The same imbalance is there and people still play it and like it.
And why wouldn't you do anything for the first 10 minutes? You should rather be trying to get kills.

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Changed the first sentence, now hopefully I shouldn't sound like a idiot trying to claim that all games get turned into farm fests.
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Old 02-08-2010, 03:17 PM   #5
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He means that you have to farm at least for 10 minutes before even trying to gank.I rarely see -wtf and people will scream 'OMG NOOB GO PLAY AI' if you try.But then again,I play on Garena and not on B.Net.It's necessary for it to be long so that heroes can farm and get their items and levels.
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Old 02-08-2010, 03:20 PM   #6
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Default Re: [Mode]Fast Mode(-fm)

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He means that you have to farm at least for 10 minutes before even trying to gank.I rarely see -wtf and people will scream 'OMG NOOB GO PLAY AI' if you try.But then again,I play on Garena and not on B.Net.It's necessary for it to be long so that heroes can farm and get their items and levels.
Why farm for the first 10 minutes? Ever heard of roaming?
Even I rarely see -wtf mode but it's fun and many people do like it, they just like the normal game for than -wtf.
And I also play on Garena.

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Old 02-08-2010, 03:37 PM   #7
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Default Re: [Mode]Fast Mode(-fm)

Not all heroes can do that,which is why it 'Makes some heroes imba and others suck'
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Old 02-08-2010, 03:43 PM   #8
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Default Re: [Mode]Fast Mode(-fm)

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Not all heroes can do that,which is why it 'Makes some heroes imba and others suck'
You are probably not getting me, this is a fun mode, it's put when you want to have fun, do you know that in -wtf mode, heroes like ES, Zeus are 'imba' and heroes like troll 'suck'?
Similarly here, heroes like venge, veno will be more powerful than heroes like void, troll.
You just need to make sure that you don't pick any of those 'suck' heroes. Have you ever picked troll in -wtf on purpose?
This mode is just meant for some early game fun.
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Old 02-08-2010, 04:05 PM   #9
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Nope,You dont have enough time? Then dont play it.
This is the worst argument I've ever seen =-=

For a fast game, I think that if you level up all heroes by 2 (level 3) as the game starts can be very good or maybe some early gold bonus (starting with 1000+ instead of ~800). The real game will start faster (and end faster).

btw, I think that kills are bad as primary win/lose criteria.
Need hierarchy.
Some like this:

1 - Number of game influencing buildings brought down (towers and unit producing);
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Bigger [kills/deaths];
Explanation here = =

This way, here we can have a draw, if one team have a better reason between kills deaths (example killed 10 died 2 = 5) and the other team brought down more buildings, draw here. If one team brought down more buildings than the other and have a bigger kills/deaths, then it wins and that's all.

btw here can draw, like same number of buildings destroyed, so the team with a bigger kills/deaths wins.

If it's a draw, go to number 2.
2 - Bigger\Smaller number of assists;
So, still draw?
3 - Smaller/Bigger total gold.
Bigger if you want to encourage kills and farming. Smaller if you think like: "They made everything as good as the other team, but with less gold".
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Old 02-08-2010, 04:13 PM   #10
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Default Re: [Mode]Fast Mode(-fm)

Counting number of buildings brought down doesn't the help the ganking aspect of this mode.

I was infact thinking of making it count assists too but I thought it was rather unnecessary and doesn't really seem that logical, for example, lets take the following situation:
You and 2 of your allies gank an enemy hero, the enemy manages to kill 2 of your allies but dies quickly afterwards by your low cooldown nuke, the score is 1-2, but if the game were to end now, your team would win because of your 2 assists which leads to a total score of 3-2. Seems unfair to me.

I didn't get the bigger/smaller gold thing.

And for the initial level up thing, i'll consider it, it's a pretty reasonable idea since, as the previous posters said, you won't be ready to gank from the utter beginning.
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Old 02-08-2010, 04:18 PM   #11
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Default Re: [Mode]Fast Mode(-fm)

Well, if you think so.
With the buildings thing I tried to pull a bit off the ganking thing, making heroes like ES a must have... So, the early gankers would walk side by side with tower owners (clinks, sniper, prophet...) and other... Just adding some heroes and some play styles to the mode.

About the gold thing, forget it, it was a bad idea anyway... just used it as an example.
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Old 02-08-2010, 04:19 PM   #12
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Default Re: [Mode]Fast Mode(-fm)

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Have a fear that the game can turn into a long 45 minute farm fest which leads to boring gameplay and waste of time?
Ok this made me LOL. It wasnt that long ago that no game was ever under an hour and I had played games lasting over 2 and a half hours. Current game times are very good. The origins of EM were actually SM (Short mode) meant to be a faster game. It was shown that it wasnt and hence changed to easy mode.

The amount of variables to speed up game times is large and simply adding a timer would not solve it. The game dynamics would have to be changed or you would simply be left with an unsatisfied feeling even though you won/lost.
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T-up, its perfect when you have something else to better to do yet still need your daily dose of DotAine. A small dose like this will cover your needs and let you focus on other tasks on your life when your time is limited.
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Old 02-08-2010, 04:21 PM   #14
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Completely T-DOWN!! This mode would be useless. More useless than -wtf, -test, -fun.
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Old 02-08-2010, 04:26 PM   #15
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Completely T-DOWN!! This mode would be useless. More useless than -wtf, -test, -fun.
I don't think -wtf and -test are useless.
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Ok this made me LOL. It wasnt that long ago that no game was ever under an hour and I had played games lasting over 2 and a half hours. Current game times are very good. The origins of EM were actually SM (Short mode) meant to be a faster game. It was shown that it wasnt and hence changed to easy mode.

The amount of variables to speed up game times is large and simply adding a timer would not solve it. The game dynamics would have to be changed or you would simply be left with an unsatisfied feeling even though you won/lost.
This mode doesn't only add a timer, it's mainly for having a short, fun ganking game. The timer was just there to "Kill someone fast. There is only 1 minute left.", and the mode can be changed to have another ending factor other than the timer. I was inspired by joebh's nuke mode sarcasm in the other thread where the OP wanted guards to be added to DotA.

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Modes like -wtf and -test may look useless to you but many DotA players love fun modes and play it once in a while, and IMO this mode will be played more frequently than the other modes because of its short time. But that's just me.
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Old 02-09-2010, 02:42 AM   #17
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Get first blood. Stay in fountain for 20 minutes. Win.
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Get first blood. Stay in fountain for 20 minutes. Win.
Epic win.
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Old 02-09-2010, 05:08 AM   #19
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T-D

Anyway, -em and -dm are modes that useful to reduce the gametime

Sth like this isn't needed
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,all reasons above me.
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