[ITEM] Boots of Carbuncle

[xyrus02]

Boots of Carbuncle

Gives:
+60 Movement Speed
+3 Attributes
+3.5 HP Regeneration + 50% Mana Regeneration
+2 HP Regeneration + 80% Mana Regeneration
Shift Form
Cooldown: 10 seconds

Requires:
Boots of Speed - 500
Ring of Regeneration - 350
Sobi Mask - 325
Circlet of Nobility - 185

TOTAL COST: 1360

Movement Speed does not stack with Boots of Speed,
Phase Boots, Power Threads, or Boots of Travel.

[Gheizen64]

Dude, not to ruin your enthusiasm or anything, i'm all for a new pair of boots... but... you've got a recipe with 7 component. Simply undoable. Change the 3 Ironwood Branches for 1-2 circlet (but still, a 6 component recipe is retarded), maybe remove the recipe cost (that way it's 5 component, reasonable).
Also, the active is a bit too good. I'd nerf it and do it in a simpler way. Life form increase hp regen by 1 pont and mana form increase mana regen by 25% (so it's a 50% increase for both form). It's also easier to understand (Life form give 1 bonus hp regen, while mana form give an additional 25% mana regen).
Reworking the recipe is however your first priority. Keep in mind that a boot that give +3 stats (in reality 2 or 4 as you can't use that many branches), +2/3 hp regen and +50/75% mana regen for around 1400 is REALLY, REALLY good. Probably a tad OP. Including simply a circlet would make it :

1360 gold : boots + sobi + ror + circlet (4 component, i feel the best, as i hate 5 component recipes).
+2 all stats
+60 mov speed
+2 hp regen
+50% mana regen
Shift form

Compare to PT. They give +10 one stats (1000 worth of gold), and +25% ias (worth about 800-900g). You give +2 all stats (185 worth of gold), +2 hp regen (350g) and +50% mana regen (325g), for 100 less g. You have however to consider that all those things are a better investment than an ogre axe and a gauntlet of speed and that you free more slot (3 compared to 2) so the power level per gold aren't so different (those are much better for support heroes than PT).

Last, the image suck. But i agree we need a new boots for supporter, now that phase sucks.

[justsightseeing]

the switch effect doesn't have much difference.. 1HP regen or 25% is not dramatic compare to treads that give +10 chosen stat.. why not make it 4HP-10% and 100%-1HP? just my opinion for this item..

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[Infinite-]

The icon is ugly :P Un-warcraftish and plain

[paul_phoenix]

rly nice item for roof =))
tup

[xyrus02]

if you have suggestion for the icon please post and i'll change it.

[FlaMe]

The icon looks cartoonish
Otherwise really nice item

[-RxN]

Reasonable alternative for roaming-supports.

T-null though.

Reason being, compare this to 2250g Perseverance+Shoes:

+50 Movement Speed
+10 damage
+5 HP/sec regeneration
+125% mana regeneration


Your shoes at 1360g give:

+60 Movement Speed
+3 Attributes
+3.5 HP Regeneration + 50% Mana Regeneration
+2 HP Regeneration + 80% Mana Regeneration
Shift Form
Cooldown: 10 seconds

For 990 gold lesser, you merely lose out on 7 damage, 1.5/3 HP Regen and 75%/45% Mana Regen and 10 MS. Perse would become extinct as an item for roaming, unless Bfury/Linkens build-up.

Thus, if you can fix the numbers on Mana Regen well enough, and nerf it slightly but not too much to make it as useful as Perse (Perse already has harder buildup, while being inconvenient at side-shops while you have goblin-shops), I'll gladly give you a T-Up.

[コクーン]

What is Shift Form?

[-RxN]

Shift form would be to augment the shoes to provide either 3.5hp and 50% mana regen in one form, or 2hp and 80% mana regen in the other. Like power treads, toggling forms.

[tha13]

how long is the shift form ??

[-RxN]

Wtp, as he stated, Shift Form is not a buff, but a freaking toggle-able ability like your POWER TREADS. Also, he did say cooldown of 10 seconds.

[Gheizen64]

Originally Posted by -RxN

Reasonable alternative for roaming-supports.

T-null though.

Reason being, compare this to 2250g Perseverance+Shoes:

+50 Movement Speed
+10 damage
+5 HP/sec regeneration
+125% mana regeneration


Your shoes at 1360g give:

+60 Movement Speed
+3 Attributes
+3.5 HP Regeneration + 50% Mana Regeneration
+2 HP Regeneration + 80% Mana Regeneration
Shift Form
Cooldown: 10 seconds

For 990 gold lesser, you merely lose out on 7 damage, 1.5/3 HP Regen and 75%/45% Mana Regen and 10 MS. Perse would become extinct as an item for roaming, unless Bfury/Linkens build-up.

Thus, if you can fix the numbers on Mana Regen well enough, and nerf it slightly but not too much to make it as useful as Perse (Perse already has harder buildup, while being inconvenient at side-shops while you have goblin-shops), I'll gladly give you a T-Up.

You can't compare boots with normal items. Boots are at least twice as efficient as any other items. You can compare boots only with others boots. Compare this with threads, the power level is k.

[-RxN]

Apparently, I compared it to Perseverance PLUS Boots of Speed to show the disparate bonuses between buying Perseverance PLUS Boots, or his shoes. -.-

[Gheizen64]

Originally Posted by -RxN

Apparently, I compared it to Perseverance PLUS Boots of Speed to show the disparate bonuses between buying Perseverance PLUS Boots, or his shoes. -.-

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Sry i'm not sure if i understand what you're saying. In case my post confused you, i'll reiterate:

- Boots are comparable only to other boots. Else you'd do things like this:

Phase boots +70 ms +24 damage, phase, 1500g

Boots + Mithril Hammer , +50 ms, +24 damage, 2100g

OMG PHASE IMBA!

You get my point now? Your comparison don't make much sense. And no one should use perseverance only for roaming, srsly.

[DieSmiling666]

mini perse like effect is good.. item is helpful in early game.. for the concept..

maybe make it dissassembable.. cause item requireds are flexible items & it has no recipe cost & it's not that good in late game..

[Tomarzig]

T-Up For me

[-RxN]

Originally Posted by Gheizen64

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Sry i'm not sure if i understand what you're saying. In case my post confused you, i'll reiterate:

- Boots are comparable only to other boots. Else you'd do things like this:

Phase boots +70 ms +24 damage, phase, 1500g

Boots + Mithril Hammer , +50 ms, +24 damage, 2100g

OMG PHASE IMBA!

You get my point now? Your comparison don't make much sense. And no one should use perseverance only for roaming, srsly.

Yes I get your point, you're saying Boots should only be compared to other types of Boots right? But isn't that being more far-fetched? You're trying to compare the ability to Teleport, to 30% IAS and +10 of a certain stat, while trying to compare it to Phase and +24 damage, and now you've to compare it to regen, factoring the cost and everything.

Sorry but I think the only comparison you'll be getting there is the role of the item and its effectiveness. If that's what you're trying to achieve, yes I see your point.

But what I'm trying to compare with Boots + Perse against his shoes here is COST-effectiveness. Obviously no one gets Perse solely for roaming, they'd have the intention to convert it to higher-tier items like Linkens or Bloodstone, but the regen from Perse is a boon, and is notably effective while roaming. Think VS's Perse > Linkens, Potm's Perse > Linkens, etc.

But with the implementation of his shoes, Perse could be stalled for VS, as it includes the shoe component within it, VS is able to attain notable regen for roaming in the process of forming her shoes, saving her time and ganking potential. See my point?

[Gheizen64]

Those are boots for roamer-supports. Roamer supports shouldn't ever EVER get perseverance. I still don't see any problem with the powerlevel of the item.

And since when Venge go Linken? Lol? Venge's core is bottle, bracer, wand, boots. The best extension is Agha. And even in pub of 60+ min long i'd never go perse. A wand and a bottle + a point booster are already more than enough for the mana and give also much more survavibility than a perseverance. Potm can go linken a bit more than VS, but is very, very situational. I dunno what game you're playing here.

[Shamanics]

People would still go for PT, since support get them mostly for the 190 extra hp for a cheap price. Roamers would still go PT since they get boots after bottle + stick, and the hp from threads is better than some regen since when they get those boots is mid game where regen is almost useless. Pubs would still go PT since they want stats and damage.
These boots are only good for laning, but seriously no use for them in current game..


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