GosuCup#2 Semi-Final (TheRetry vs SGC)

[Phoenix]

Gosucup #2

February 07

Semi-Final

TheRetry vs Storm Games Clan

Storm Games Clan

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Tournament Information
Game Version: 1.24c
Map Version: 6.66b
Game Mode: -cd
Replay Length: 53:32

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Sentinel, TheRetry

TR^Azen (Mid)
WaveOfJustice (Bot)
TR^Vein (Roaming)
TR^plzgogame (Top)
TR^blow (Bot)


Scourge, Storm Games Clan

SGC.Tulex (Bot)
SGC.Iacek (Roaming)
SGC.Warlog (Top)
SGC.idef!x (Mid)
SGC.Vilik (Top)


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[Ali Radicali]

I must say I wasn't impressed by azen's SK. He farmed all game but was never around when his team needed him. Not manly at all.

Slark used a pretty weird skill build (max Essence Shift first o.O), but it worked for him. Very nice Slarking.

[IAmTheSpoon]

Fairly odd Slark. It's like he adapted to the enemy lineup, taking the "I am agressive in lane so I can lasthit all because of essence shift" approach, as if he knew he would have who to harass.
I like the way he abused the additional seconds of essence shift to farm in the jungle. But his not too efficient item build made him rather weak late-game. He should have gone BKB and he might have survived the disable downpour.

[Swiftkick]

Slark had a great escape near the Roshan area.

I kept expecting TR to pull ahead and win, but that just didn't happen. Oh well. SK versus Tree mid was different, but I'm not sure HoM was a good first major item.

[IAmTheSpoon]

I'd rather call that the only chance of escaping he had, not a real sign of skills :P but that's just me.

[Elminister]

Windrunner must be one of the worst heroes in game atm. She wouldn't be so bad if:
1. She was agility - then she could at least do some dmg.
2. If Scattershot wasn't so bugged.

[CaptainPlatypus]

Originally Posted by Elminister

Windrunner must be one of the worst heroes in game atm. She wouldn't be so bad if:
1. She was agility - then she could at least do some dmg.
2. If Scattershot wasn't so bugged.

First off, all the windrunner hate in general is undeserved. She's a very solid hero, she just doesn't have spike damage or a 100% reliable stun, which makes her very odd to work into teams. Second, making her agility would go against the entire point of the hero - she's a spammer. It would also countersynergize pretty horribly with Focus Fire.

Finally, it's neither bugged nor actually called scattershot. Oh, and for good measure, complaining about a hero being useless in a game where they solo against a trilane is kind of unfair.

[Lollypatrolly]

Game lost due to poorly played slark, that's all there is to it. Someone will figure him out eventually, until then we just have to endure.

[Ali Radicali]

Originally Posted by Lollypatrolly

Game lost due to poorly played slark, that's all there is to it. Someone will figure him out eventually, until then we just have to endure.

LOLNO. Slark performed brilliantly early-mid game, which is when the hero shines. Late game, SK who had been farming all game should have dominated but he didn't, mainly due to bad decisions. His item build was questionable, his early participation negligible and even late game he wasn't around to give slark at least the benefit of Aura, let alone to actually tank or DPS.

Better teamplay from SK would've made a huge difference this game.

[Lollypatrolly]

Originally Posted by Ali Radicali

LOLNO. Slark performed brilliantly early-mid game, which is when the hero shines. Late game, SK who had been farming all game should have dominated but he didn't, mainly due to bad decisions. His item build was questionable, his early participation negligible and even late game he wasn't around to give slark at least the benefit of Aura, let alone to actually tank or DPS.

Better teamplay from SK would've made a huge difference this game.

Slark wasted so much of his team's farm and stayed useless late game only due to bad play on his part. If he'd got a BKB at any point, they'd likely win.

Although I'm not impressed with SK, he was better than slark at least.

[bugfrag]

This game is a joke
How can you lose after a 10+ kill lead?
Unbelievable

Winner team just win because they suck less:
Early game, treant got 3 lv. of Nature guise LANING MID. are you kidding me? there are no trees mid, which is why he died twice ganked.
Did you look at those early ultimates? No coordination at all.
AND buying shiva. Makes his natural armor skill becomes a wasted investment. If you got enough moeny to buy shiva, get a fucking radiance = more money and more dps.
He did good last hit, but then again Treant is probably the best last hitter.

Placing 3 people top, and so gungho on trying to kill Windrunner which resulted in three of them being so under lv., hence useless.

If they put Puck solo mid, Treant bottom with WD (treant can then invisi wd after he ulted, whatever), and leave top with Lina and Nessaj, game would have been much better.

The loser team:
Lost after a 10+ kill lead, and NO TOWER DOWN vs 5 tower down (equals to +5000k more gold). All of them just fed because they go 1vs3, 1vs4, 2v5, 2v4, basic nub mistake
That is just a joke. No more comment on that

[Lollypatrolly]

Treant + wd lane would have shitty lane control and be helpless versus ganks. Although I agree with not seeing the point in more than 1-2 ranks of NG.

[bugfrag]

Originally Posted by Lollypatrolly

Treant + wd lane would have shitty lane control and be helpless versus ganks. Although I agree with not seeing the point in more than 1-2 ranks of NG.

True enough. I was just thinking of Treant + WD at lv6: double ult (which is probably what the team build is what about: treant and Puck ulti to bind, WD ulti to kill)

Still: his invisi skill would have been more useful bottom, and armor would increase WD survavility by a lot.

[hornedangel]

Man, why would they have Trellen on mid? Yey, another game with WD. Haven't watched the game yet, so I'll comment more later.

Wow Lina!

[PraiseJesus]

several horrible mistakes where made by the sentinel team during this game.
windrunner and especialy slark stayed in the enemy jungle/lane/whatever way too long several times even when it was plain dumb and got killed by that alot.
i especialy remember the scene where the whole scourge team was pushing mid, a huge scourge wave was at the bottom sentinel tower and toplane was pushed. instead of a) going mid for a teamfight, b) teleporting bot for farming or c) pushing top to force the enemys into reaction, slark did what? he farmed the scourge jungle, then when the scourge moved to him he went to the lanecreeps, tryed to farm and got killed. thats just bullshit play.

windrunner did some horrible bullshit with forcestaff. one scene chen is getting ganked, is in puck ulti, trys to teleport and would have made it but windrunner forcestaffs him so he gets stunned and killed.

the first roshan was a bad choice. they didnt use the build up shift damage and slark instead farmed the jungle first. after that they took way too long and got killed there.

and finaly the itembuilds. slarks 2 hyperstone bullshit fucked the whole early midgame domination up. at the point where he ran around with the second hyperstone and 1700 gold he could already have a bkb which would made him actually useful in a teamfight. instead he was running around like a fucking retard trying to evade the stuns while his team got owned, then he went in and died too.

overall the team was based around slark and he fucked it up.

[Matheo]

Indeed, 2 hyperstones are bullshit -.-

[Spellsy]

i think rather than them all sucking, i think it is just the -cd mode, too many teams play few/several heroes rather than most heroes, so when forced into a small pool they dont know how to play, how to organize lanes, etc. etc. as stated by a few people above.. only a few of the mistakes (mentioned) were execution mistakes, instead bad organization because of unfamiliar heroes.. (slark bad build, tree terrible skill build, sk farming alot when he didnt need to.. etc. etc.) unfamiliar heroes ends up resulting to bad teamplay, and they mighta had "off" days, but these teams are pretty high skill and play consistently well (in cm at least).. i think it is more reasonable to say they were uncomfortable with their heroes rather than saying they turned from good --> bad in a random game.. (and everyone knows when you start to make mistakes it goes downhill fast)

[Death Eater]

@Spellsy

Nicely said

[hornedangel]

Originally Posted by PraiseJesus

several horrible mistakes where made by the sentinel team during this game.
windrunner and especialy slark stayed in the enemy jungle/lane/whatever way too long several times even when it was plain dumb and got killed by that alot.
i especialy remember the scene where the whole scourge team was pushing mid, a huge scourge wave was at the bottom sentinel tower and toplane was pushed. instead of a) going mid for a teamfight, b) teleporting bot for farming or c) pushing top to force the enemys into reaction, slark did what? he farmed the scourge jungle, then when the scourge moved to him he went to the lanecreeps, tryed to farm and got killed. thats just bullshit play.

windrunner did some horrible bullshit with forcestaff. one scene chen is getting ganked, is in puck ulti, trys to teleport and would have made it but windrunner forcestaffs him so he gets stunned and killed.

the first roshan was a bad choice. they didnt use the build up shift damage and slark instead farmed the jungle first. after that they took way too long and got killed there.

and finaly the itembuilds. slarks 2 hyperstone bullshit fucked the whole early midgame domination up. at the point where he ran around with the second hyperstone and 1700 gold he could already have a bkb which would made him actually useful in a teamfight. instead he was running around like a fucking retard trying to evade the stuns while his team got owned, then he went in and died too.

overall the team was based around slark and he fucked it up.

I saw all of this. Well, I actually ekjoyed the game 'coz it's a game with SGC, hehe... (Kinda a fan of theirs; MYM, DDT and Nirvana.int shouldn't be in these competitions, they kinda spoil them. LoL)

I guess they made really horrible mistakes. Yes Slark should've BKB'ed instead of 2 Hyperstones. Man, Trellen was a bit disappointing but I liked the way SGC strove after the Ultra Kill rape and still won the game. Really nc comeback.

It's like what I always motivate myself when almost losing a game. "We shouldn't give-up already. The enemies' momentum will make them more prone to mistakes. Mistakes we should exploit for us to win."