[Buff]Pugna, Oblivion

[TheRealTechN9NE]

After reading some threads about buffing Pugna in various ways, I recently came up with a much simpler idea.

As Nether Ward is, hands down, the main reason you pick Pugna for, why not just make the returned damage pure? Currently it deals 1.125 dmg / point of mana after hero resistance, even less with skills and items like Hood, Flesh Heap and the like.

This buff would increase the damage by 0.375 / pom with only hero resistance, which would be the most suitable buff i can think of.

[Zirath]

Wrong Forum, this should go to the Remake forum.

Though I like the buff in either case. Nether Ward is one my favorite skills by far.

[TheRealTechN9NE]

Damn, wrong forum again...

But thanks for the feedback anyway.

MOOOOOOOOOD, move pls

[king_james]

Yes, please. Nether Ward needs a definite buff.

Its practically untouched early game, this would probably give it a chance to show itself early on in pubs especially.

[159Hello]

You can buff Nether Ward if you want but Pugna will still lack of something in his other skills. He needs a partial remake.

[TheRealTechN9NE]

Originally Posted by 159Hello

You can buff Nether Ward if you want but Pugna will still lack of something in his other skills. He needs a partial remake.

For example? His Nether Blast is strong as fuck, a 325 AOE nuke with VERY short cooldown that also damages buildings for a good amount, a skill that nullifies most carries and amplifies spell damage by quite a chunk and, hands down, a mediocore ult.

I think the buff to Nether Ward would suffice.

[Magican]

Why don't just ~half the damage of his Nether Ward and make it a passive aura? Putting the ward up every time just sucks...and he's still fragile as hell.

[cezar_sl]

Originally Posted by TheRealTechN9NE

For example? His Nether Blast is strong as fuck, a 325 AOE nuke with VERY short cooldown that also damages buildings for a good amount, a skill that nullifies most carries and amplifies spell damage by quite a chunk and, hands down, a mediocore ult.

I think the buff to Nether Ward would suffice.

Let's see :
PROs :

• AoE nuke that damages buildings
• Highest INT in the game
• Anti-caster device
• Anti-carry device that also amplifies the effectiveness of you allies
• No need to get HP regen due to ult

CONs :

• Nether blast has low cast range
• Ult is only decent until you get Scepter
• No real disable

Only the lack of a disable keeps him from being Uber.

[genehmster]

I think pugna is underrated, imo. Buff the numbers of the lower levels of the ult and you are done.

And making the return damage pure would be imba and destroy the synergy with decripify (nothing more satisfying than a decripified lion getting shot down by nether ward)

[TheRealTechN9NE]

His "Anti caster device" deals way too little damage. Puck and Kunkka simply give a shit about it.
Pugna is not picked anymore for good reasons, the Ward is too weak, he gets outnuked by other heroes, his ult does not do much and decrepify is a double-edged blade.

Pure damage would fix this for sure. Even a Stormbolt would deal 210 damage to yourself if cast under Nether Ward.

And btw, the "anti carry device" also works vice versa since yor own carries are unable to attack the target as well. You forgot to mention his terrible Hp pool in the cons as well, and the fact Nether Blast has a cast time of 1 second. And the fact that his attack animation sucks balls. And the fact that his base damage is shit as well. This means that his indeed uber int gain doesnt make lasthitting a breeze. Many heroes still have a higher base damage in the laning phase just because Pugnas base damage is so crap. And listing the ult as a big plus on the one hand because you "dont need to buy Hp regen" (ulti cannot be learned before lvl 6, you know) but saying it is only decent on the other hand is kinda paradox.

Now dont say "then just improve his attack animation and his base damage, he will be fine then". This is bullshit because he still wouldnt be picked by anyone cause there are still heroes that would simply be better than Pugna in what they do.

Originally Posted by genehmster

And making the return damage pure would be imba and destroy the synergy with decripify (nothing more satisfying than a decripified lion getting shot down by nether ward)

Stupid people like this Lion also buy Refresher on Tinker, use Refraction to counter Rot, pick Techies, search for aimbots for Stormbolt and use Quelling blade against Sent towers to get wood for their Divine Rapier recipe.

[Cp6uja]

Moved to remakes!

[Audacious]

Ulti is off. I saw remake that made the Slow thing the ulti and healing a normal skill and none channeling. Think that would make the hero so much more fun to play.

[TheRealTechN9NE]

Originally Posted by Audacious

Ulti is off. I saw remake that made the Slow thing the ulti and healing a normal skill and none channeling. Think that would make the hero so much more fun to play.

Then you have a toned-down Undying with the same shitty Nether Ward.
I saw this remake and also thought it was great at first glance. But yes, read the previous sentence.

Pugnas most important skill IS Ward, there is no bloody doubt about it, and in its current state, in the current metagame, it sucks against a good amount of casters, semi-casters. Not every lineup is Lion-Lina-Zeus-Leshrac-QoP, just to name a few Ward is at least decent against.

[qlq]

Meh, I support any kind of buff to Pugna just because I rarely see him played even in pubs. T-up I guess.

[AbyssPetra]

Make Pugna Ulti works like Razor Link

[Zirath]

You mean no channeling? That would be quite a buff to him. Maybe if he can move while channeling, but being able to cast spells and abilities (besides phase boots imo) would be a little imba.

[TheRealTechN9NE]

Holy shit I cant believe what I read here:
1. Pugna is meant to be an anti caster hero, a role he cant fulfil in his current state, because NETHERWARD IS A PIECE OF SHIT against current heroes, and changing his other skills wont help Nether Ward, because shit stays shit, no matter if you put laurels around it or not.
2. This thread is about his Nether Ward. Not about his ulti. Not about Nether Blast, which is a Blast, not a Ward, and also not about Decrepify.

[genehmster]

wtf, thread of pure overstatement. Stop sucking with Pugna and learn proper discussing.

[TheRealTechN9NE]

Only completely retarded idiots nuke when theyre Lion and under the effect of Nether Ward and Decrepify.
Learn to play serious games and to be realistic.

And by the Way:

Decrepified hero takes 8% additional spell damage (0.75*1.44=1.08). This means current Nether Ward deals 1.62 dmg / point of mana (1.5*1.08). WOOOOOHOOOOO this is a GAMEBREAKING additional 0.12 damage on a single hero for a very short duration compared to pure damage. Really kickass11!

Originally Posted by genehmster

wtf, thread of pure overstatement. Stop sucking with Pugna and learn proper discussing.

Kudos to owning yourself. All you have written here are dumb assumptions without any arguments along with a suggestion for Pugnas ulti which is not the topic of this thread in your first post and a blind flame although im pretty sure you have never seen me play DotA.

[Lycan]

good buff,

anyway i must say Pugna RAPES WTF, but for comp... she's a bit weak... decrepify can't be buffed... ult can't be buffed, stats can't be buffed (way above average stat gain) animations are fine.... so only thing left it the ward indeed. You might pick pugna in combination with techies and rhasta for quick towers btw
they work wonders in a manage a trios