[Buff] Ghost Scepter

kanzakill · 08-17-2009, 11:51 AM

The current:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Form

Makes you unable to attack or be attacked, but take 44% extra damage from spells
Ends if you become magic immune, and will have no effect if you are already magic immune
Lasts 4 seconds and has a 25 second cooldown

Proposal:
You can be attacked, but won't lose any hp.

Reasons:
- To be more different from Pugna's Decrepify
- To be used in more ways
- Mindgame
- GS isn't often used
- GS doesn't improve tanking potential that much

Problems:
- Imba?
- Codeable?

Thoughts?

Monochromatic · 08-17-2009, 01:40 PM

You have regular movement speed with GS.

IMO. I don't think ghost scepter is used for tanking, its for escaping or stopping a attack. Its more of a situational item. I get it whenever I need it. (Like when I'm clockwerk trying to gank a jugg while hes jungling, it can really counter omnislash)

(example, troll is stunlocking you and you use GS, he can't attack you anymore.
Yurnero is omnislashing you in a 1v1 and you use GS to negate it)

null vote. (so you sorta want it like abaddon's aphrotic shield except no explode damage?)

Gazar- · 08-17-2009, 02:30 PM

I would prefer a slight buff by decreasing the gold costs (to 1200) or by increasing the stats you gain by it. + 10 would be fine I think.
It is a very situational item. You do not get it often, but it can be useful sometimes.

kanzakill · 08-19-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Monochromatic

You have regular movement speed with GS.

That's a difference of course, in which GS have one effect less

Quote:

IMO. I don't think ghost scepter is used for tanking, its for escaping or stopping a attack. Its more of a situational item. I get it whenever I need it. (Like when I'm clockwerk trying to gank a jugg while hes jungling, it can really counter omnislash)

With this remake it still can counter omnislash and it can be used for tanking too

Quote:

(so you sorta want it like abaddon's aphrotic shield except no explode damage?)

Yes, but it only applies to normal attacks, not spells.

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Originally Posted by Gazar-

It is a very situational item. You do not get it often, but it can be useful sometimes.

This is just a buff to make it less situational + more useful + used more often

uo111 · 08-19-2009, 10:46 PM

What about all the things the proc on attack and do magical damage/stun/slow.

and the orb effects that do pure damage.

seems kinda useless. I don't oppose it, but I can't think why, especially if it would be a pain to code being able to attack, but not proc.

NoThlnG · 08-20-2009, 01:41 AM

I just think Ghost Scepter should be make from recipes not a basic item

But, the skill is already fine.

Sry, T-Down. Pugna's decrifty is more for damaging enemies while this is for surviving...

kanzakill · 08-20-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NoThlnG

Sry, T-Down. Pugna's decrifty is more for damaging enemies while this is for surviving...

What part of this buff goes against surviving man?

genehmster · 08-20-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by uo111

What about all the things the proc on attack and do magical damage/stun/slow.

and the orb effects that do pure damage.

yeh, what about them?

kanzakill · 08-20-2009, 11:40 AM

Upon using Ghost Scepter:
Create a dummy unit with 1000000hp, attach it to the user or make it move with the user.
When someone attempt to attack the user (not spells), make that one attack the dummy unit.
Remove the dummy unit and the trigger after the affect wears off.

=> No damage to the user
And stop worrying about those things, stick to the idea men

qlq · 08-22-2009, 03:08 PM

Oh well, pretty much the same, but T-up I guess ( if I even understood it right ).

IAmTheSpoon · 08-22-2009, 08:52 PM

Nah. This doesn't need a buff, but rather some follow-up item like Talisman Evasion has a follow-up item of Butterfly.
I'd rather go that way.

Kanashimi · 08-23-2009, 08:11 AM

Pratically will stay the same in terms, but would fit greatly for mind games.
But, until i see a trigger that could do that i think is pretty unmakeable ^^

kanzakill · 08-23-2009, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanashimi

Pratically will stay the same in terms, but would fit greatly for mind games.
But, until i see a trigger that could do that i think is pretty unmakeable ^^

Hm, ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by kanzakill

Upon using Ghost Scepter:
Create a dummy unit with 1000000hp, attach it to the user or make it move with the user.
When someone attempts to attack the user (not spells), make that one attack the dummy unit.
Remove the dummy unit and the trigger after the affect wears off.

=> No damage to the user

I think

gnaLor · 09-06-2009, 11:03 PM

Change is small and senseless, nobody will attack you when he sees the grafics.
If you even want to remove the grafics.. even more tdown, then it will not even be a bit of a ghost scepter, just a +10000 armor buff like omni ulti.

StrudseN · 09-07-2009, 07:10 AM

Never used GS before. cuz i doesn't see it's usefull when you are getting ganked, and they spam spells on you. You will be dead within seconds. So im with ya!

HELLRAISER · 09-07-2009, 07:26 AM

If you can still be attacked, wont effects proc? like perma stun?

kanzakill · 09-07-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gnaLor

Change is small and senseless, nobody will attack you when he sees the grafics.

Small: yes
Senseless:

Quote:

If you even want to remove the grafics.. even more tdown, then it will not even be a bit of a ghost scepter, just a +10000 armor buff like omni ulti.

Quote:

Originally Posted by StrudseN

Never used GS before. cuz i doesn't see it's usefull when you are getting ganked, and they spam spells on you. You will be dead within seconds. So im with ya!

I think you are not really getting my thinking

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Originally Posted by HELLRAISER

If you can still be attacked, wont effects proc? like perma stun?

My previous posts

Rejuvination · 04-20-2010, 12:05 PM

it's different than pugna's skill cause you won't lose ms and it's great as it is cause you can't get BASHED moron, if great for heroes like crix to cast his ulti...and you can escape nicely with it...

Nerevarie · 04-20-2010, 12:22 PM

You cannot code this. Because ghost scepter is based on a hardcoded skill named banish. Also, IT DOES NOT, make any difference in the game.

majorlee · 04-20-2010, 12:39 PM

think no changes are needed...

08-17-2009, 01:40 PM	#2
Monochromatic Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 141	Re: [Buff] Ghost Scepter You have regular movement speed with GS. IMO. I don't think ghost scepter is used for tanking, its for escaping or stopping a attack. Its more of a situational item. I get it whenever I need it. (Like when I'm clockwerk trying to gank a jugg while hes jungling, it can really counter omnislash) (example, troll is stunlocking you and you use GS, he can't attack you anymore. Yurnero is omnislashing you in a 1v1 and you use GS to negate it) null vote. (so you sorta want it like abaddon's aphrotic shield except no explode damage?)

08-17-2009, 02:30 PM	#3
Gazar- Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 364 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [Buff] Ghost Scepter I would prefer a slight buff by decreasing the gold costs (to 1200) or by increasing the stats you gain by it. + 10 would be fine I think. It is a very situational item. You do not get it often, but it can be useful sometimes. __________________ windota.com - your friendly casual inhouse ladder>>> Go play people!

08-19-2009, 10:46 PM	#5
uo111 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,485 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [Buff] Ghost Scepter What about all the things the proc on attack and do magical damage/stun/slow. and the orb effects that do pure damage. seems kinda useless. I don't oppose it, but I can't think why, especially if it would be a pain to code being able to attack, but not proc. __________________ My Suggestions Red Light WoW Icons

08-20-2009, 01:41 AM	#6
NoThlnG Forum Staff Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Nowhere Posts: 14,371 Blog Entries: 8	Re: [Buff] Ghost Scepter I just think Ghost Scepter should be make from recipes not a basic item But, the skill is already fine. Sry, T-Down. Pugna's decrifty is more for damaging enemies while this is for surviving... __________________ Assassin's Creed Helpful Links Suggestions Epic Quotes . Credits to Lotus V Eater . . How to Get Your Suggestion Implemented Custom Model GIF Request Suggestion Assisstor's Thread Guides, Lists and Templates How to Become a Moderator . . Suggestion Portfolio My Ability Collections .

08-22-2009, 03:08 PM	#10
qlq Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: In the abyss of the unknown Posts: 2,926 Blog Entries: 2	Re: [Buff] Ghost Scepter Oh well, pretty much the same, but T-up I guess ( if I even understood it right ). __________________ removed due to severe case of butthurt

08-22-2009, 08:52 PM	#11
IAmTheSpoon Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Bydgoszcz, Poland Posts: 1,113	Re: [Buff] Ghost Scepter Nah. This doesn't need a buff, but rather some follow-up item like Talisman Evasion has a follow-up item of Butterfly. I'd rather go that way. __________________ [B] [B]My Slark Guide

08-23-2009, 08:11 AM	#12
Kanashimi Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,254	Re: [Buff] Ghost Scepter Pratically will stay the same in terms, but would fit greatly for mind games. But, until i see a trigger that could do that i think is pretty unmakeable ^^

09-06-2009, 11:03 PM	#14
gnaLor Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bavaria Posts: 835	Re: [Buff] Ghost Scepter Change is small and senseless, nobody will attack you when he sees the grafics. If you even want to remove the grafics.. even more tdown, then it will not even be a bit of a ghost scepter, just a +10000 armor buff like omni ulti. __________________ >>Items can be assembled by clicking the recipe scroll Making shopping more comfortable. >>Make Balanars ulti passive at night Removing the annoying ulti spam at night. *Testmap:* Meat Hook ! visual Shows a ! above Pudge if his hook hits a hero.

09-07-2009, 07:10 AM	#15
StrudseN Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Viborg, Denmark Posts: 13	Re: [Buff] Ghost Scepter Never used GS before. cuz i doesn't see it's usefull when you are getting ganked, and they spam spells on you. You will be dead within seconds. So im with ya! __________________ StrùdséN (The Ostrich) Im the master of hide and go seek

09-07-2009, 07:26 AM	#16
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04-20-2010, 12:05 PM	#18
Rejuvination Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 54	Re: [Buff] Ghost Scepter it's different than pugna's skill cause you won't lose ms and it's great as it is cause you can't get BASHED moron, if great for heroes like crix to cast his ulti...and you can escape nicely with it... __________________

04-20-2010, 12:22 PM	#19
Nerevarie Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Never say my anus again. Posts: 1,846 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [Buff] Ghost Scepter You cannot code this. Because ghost scepter is based on a hardcoded skill named banish. Also, IT DOES NOT, make any difference in the game.

04-20-2010, 12:39 PM	#20
majorlee Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: india .. hyderabad Posts: 93	Re: [Buff] Ghost Scepter think no changes are needed... __________________ Click to play fun flash Flying Games absolutely free !!!