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Old 02-15-2010, 05:13 PM   #1
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Crystal Maiden is one of the heroes that have the "spell projectile" model for their projectile. Sometimes it looks a bit strange and especially on Crystal Maiden it doesn't seem fitting for me - it's a spell animation used in Dark Ritual after all.
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We have quite a few nice projectiles out there, so let's get to the point.
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Projectile 1
Abilities\Spells\Undead\FreezingBreath\FreezingBre athMissile.mdl

(although similar to DK's Frost Breath, it is a completely different model and nor is it as powerful as it looks in the screenshot, so check the map)


Projectile 2
Abilities\Weapons\ZigguratFrostMissile\ZigguratFro stMissile.mdl


Projectile 3
Abilities\Spells\Human\ManaFlare\ManaFlareMissile. mdl


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This would maybe create one slight problem: the fire on Maiden's staff. This could be solved with an attachment (Abilities\Weapons\ZigguratFrostMissile\ZigguratFr ostMissile.mdl) to her hand and weapon as following:

Projectiles with this attachment

Projectile 1
Abilities\Spells\Undead\FreezingBreath\FreezingBre athMissile.mdl

(although similar to DK's Frost Breath, it is a completely different model and it is not as powerful as it looks in the screenshot, so check the map)


Projectile 2
Abilities\Weapons\ZigguratFrostMissile\ZigguratFro stMissile.mdl


Projectile 3
Abilities\Spells\Human\ManaFlare\ManaFlareMissile. mdl


Sorry for the bad paths, somehow it creates spaces even if I don't put them there.

For those wondering how the attachment looks with Aghanim's Scepter:



[+]
-creates more ice theme around her
-the old projectile has unfitting animation for a normal attack
-it's logical - she uses ice in spells, so why not in attacks?
-the original attack is used by Lich's Dark Ritual [that's just a slight bonus]


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-less "crystal" theme
-the fire on staff could be still slightly seen (this is a con in the current one also)
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Old 02-15-2010, 05:17 PM   #2
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Default Re: [Projectile] Crystal Maiden

The first proposed projectile looks more like a spell animation. I can't quite say, but the second looks like Skadi. A test map would be good, you can't tell how good they are from just a screenshot.
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Old 02-15-2010, 05:28 PM   #3
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Default Re: [Projectile] Crystal Maiden

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The first proposed projectile looks more like a spell animation. I can't quite say, but the second looks like Skadi. A test map would be good, you can't tell how good they are from just a screenshot.
I thought that I've seen the Skadi one from somewhere Nevermind, it's still fitting to her. I'll upload the test map soon.
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Old 02-15-2010, 05:39 PM   #4
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Old 02-15-2010, 05:46 PM   #5
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T-up for projectile 3
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Old 02-15-2010, 06:07 PM   #6
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Default Re: [Projectile] Crystal Maiden

Ooh.. these are really good. Probably my favorite for CM so far. T-up for 1 and 3. 2 looks too much like EOS animation doesn't it.

The icy mist you added around the staff, it will interfere with the aghanim's visual right? Apart from that this is also really good.
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Old 02-15-2010, 06:13 PM   #7
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Default Re: [Projectile] Crystal Maiden

I think Lich's missile would look best on her. And this one would look better on Lich:
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Abilities\Spells\NightElf\SpiritOfVengeance\SpiritOfVengeanceBirthMissile.mdl
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Old 02-15-2010, 06:18 PM   #8
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Default Re: [Projectile] Crystal Maiden

give the projectiles a small arc so it looks more natural(the ladder projectile has arc!)
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Default Re: [Projectile] Crystal Maiden

T-Up for any of those animations i always hated her attack animation.
And little off-topic. Why does CM have the lowest ms in DotA?
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Old 02-15-2010, 07:41 PM   #10
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<3

Her missle is huge.. She needs something normal.. I always go like wtf when I see her missle is 1/2 of the screen.
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Old 02-15-2010, 08:05 PM   #11
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I really like to see the attack animation changed, but think about it carefully...
If CM has a better animation you can last hit much better and then CM would be a bit strong.
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Old 02-15-2010, 09:07 PM   #12
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Default Re: [Projectile] Crystal Maiden

Hmm... Maybe 3rd one.
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Default Re: [Projectile] Crystal Maiden

Projectile 1 looks way too big and powerful, and IIRC, it's already used by DK's EDF. T-D

Projectile 2 seems better, but this one is overused by Lich. Null

Projectile 3 IMO is the best choice. Not used, looks pretty, and it's consistent to CM's style. T-Up
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I really like to see the attack animation changed, but think about it carefully...
If CM has a better animation you can last hit much better and then CM would be a bit strong.
Less disturbing comments please.
That's completely incorrect, this is about the projectile FX, not the animation index.
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Default Re: [Projectile] Crystal Maiden

I don't find any of the projectile to fit with CM herself. T-null sorry.
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T-up for Projectile 3.
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T-Up for projectile 3 also, as long as it has the same speed as the current one.
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I think Lich's missile would look best on her. And this one would look better on Lich:
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Abilities\Spells\NightElf\SpiritOfVengeance\SpiritOfVengeanceBirthMissile.mdl
I agree that Crystal Maiden should have the Ice missile from Lich.
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I say leave lich as he is and give CM the 3rd projectile!
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