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Skadi lifeleech ftw, they stack so I don't see why it is a rejected item. probably u get it as ur 4th or 5th item after becoming insanely farmed if you went the lifeleech path.
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AWESOME GUIDE!!! but i would prefer early game an int item like Guinso or Eul to cast the ultimate succesfully
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I love him, A great stra is to get Lother's Edge, Assault, Deso, Boots of travel, Manta, Heart. That is my build for him. I windwalk in ult, manta, and man him is deso assault and his neg armour aura while they are slowed can easily take out 2-3 heroes if done right
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Pft seriously I think there is only one build. Travels, blink, satanic/skadi. If you are REALLY poor then you shouldn't be playing SF anyways. LV3 necro, gem, wards, dust, track, amp damage > lothar's.
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Bah some guy just rated my guide 1 =(. Anyway, there are many builds to playing SF. Its also dependent on the opposing heroes. Obviously if there is a Gondar/Slardar you will get blink instead of Lothars.
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Nice Guide, though i like the leech/skadi way more to get some HP. However deso/hot should do it as well. Any thoughts on Crit?
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Buriza/MKB definitely aren't ruled out as well. They aren't rejected items definitely. The 'other items' section lists the more important items to consider, like BKB. It's no use having 5 rapiers and a crit when ur down after a few stuns.
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Rejecting skadi is really bad, since one of the best 3 orbs for SF:
desolator, satanic ( hotd ), skadi. They're the bests orbs. Skadi is really good because provides you huge slow, which is a thing that u lack of, SOME HP, another zone where you lack, and some dmg+mana, which are never bad. You said that u need to kill heroes quickly, well with this you won't walk for hit everitime, you already have dmg, a slow is really useful. (you can see it even in some competitive games). |
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Why are you chosing
A reminding about Wraiths Bands won't hurt in your "Items to go for" section also since you wrote about it in your "Mid Game" section. Maybe even Bracers because Nevermore is such a fragile hero. Would also love to see a section added how to use your Shadowrazes effectively since you mentioned they are hard to aim for new players. Maybe just some tips, screenshots would be even better up to you. You added an alternative skillbuild for new DotA players so I assume this guide is aiming for new-intermediate players means adding the skillnames next to their pictures would be helpful. I suggest you to use HTML Code:
[goanchor=intro]1. Introduction[/goanchor] [goanchor=story] 2. Story[/goanchor] [anchor=-Introduction-]intro[/anchor] [anchor=-Story-]story[/anchor] and so on
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Alright, probably EoS on SF could be considered. I stand corrected.
Maybe its because I like to be a glass cannon so the game becomes more interesting when you actually have a chance to die instead of being unkillable =P. In all honesty, however, I still believe that Deso would make a better orb. The money from buying EoS can be used to get about Deso + a bit of Lothars already. And I get Bottle for first item on most heroes that solo mid because it seriously boosts lane control by a hell lot, compared to starting items like circlets tangoes and stuff. I suppose you can get circlets and stuff as starting items if your team has a chick to deliver a bottle later though. |
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rejecting skadi for lack of damage while approving euls/guinsoo is just funny. If anything euls/guinsoo should be bought by support heroes while you farm up your deso, butter, buriza whatever dmg you want
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I didn't approve Guinsoo and Euls on SF. I just said that it was a way that some play SF, and I said that it has many weaknesses. Anyway, guide updated, EoS has been moved.
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Nice work mate, this is exactly how i play SF,and ought to be played...nvm d sad fools who think blink is better than lothars...although i think u should remov d alternate skill build, as noobs shouldnt play sf at all,and that skill build is more of a DPS carry kind of thing...my best wishes
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What is the best orb?
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If you're going to take Euls/Sheep as a possibility, don't. Get Force Staff instead if you want to do something other than Blink/WW. It's a lot cheaper.
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Blink is for situations where you know that invis just won't work well, or specfically if your opponent has truesight. Blink is harder to counter, as it only can be revealed by your PODL aura or obs wards.
The best orb differs among people. Some think that lifesteal + EoS is better, some think that Diffy is better, some think Deso is better. I think Deso is the best though. And Force Staff just makes targeting a hell lot harder. Target has to be precisely 500 distance from you if not he wont take the full damage. Furthermore, the target still can run away from you after Force Staff has been used, causing Requiem to do even less damage. |
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I REALLY think dark seer is the best ally for Nevermore.
Lothars and Blink is for positioning to maximize requiem damage. but you cna only postiion yourself perfectly on one target. Dark seer does all the work for you, and you can land perfect requiemt on MULTIPLE targets. |
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Dark Seer is indeed a good ally, but the timing may be tricky because you want your Requiem to hit exactly after Vacuum finishes being cast.
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What you say is only for the perfect ideal situation. even if he doesnt get it perfect or the timing is off, a vacuum will mangify damage output tremendously compared to Nevermore doing it by himself, or compared to TC, enigma or Magnatuar. you need timing with those too.
dark seer has the best range, mobility due to burst, and AOE and has superiority in this respect over the others: - TC only clumps heroes in one dimension. - mangatuar has sas maller radius and his reverse polarity is in front of himself, so he can't surprise as well as dark seer can. - Enigma doenst pull in heroes quite slowly |
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