[Tweak] Shackleshot

megboklek · 02-19-2010, 12:16 PM

Shackleshot deals no damage. Why not? It's an arrow Alleria fires.

Skill description says:
"Alleria fires an enchanted arrow using wind magic that binds the target to an enemy unit or tree behind it."

Although it's shaped like an arrow, it's just a simple stun. All arrows deal damage in the game (Elune's Arrow is also a stun and has huge magical dmg.) except this one.

Here it is:
What I'm saying is it should deal Alleria's current damage (regular physical dmg type), just like any other hit. Or same amount in magical dmg type, since it's a spell.
In the first case it would work the same way as orb walking spells, where the attack modifiers come with the primary attack. It's a x1 critical, thus does not miss.

Note:
Raw damage also counts as well as buffs (like Empower) or auras (like Trueshot, Command, Lunar Blessing).

This change is minor, and would not alter the skill in any other way.

fan.god · 02-19-2010, 02:41 PM

your reason is just a reason. it is a magical arrow after all. why it has to have physical dmg?
but Alleria could use some buffs. t-half-up

Lord_Talron · 02-19-2010, 06:20 PM

tup for it dealing soem damage, or SOMETHING. its a nice skill, but a little meh

Zangetsu2201 · 02-19-2010, 07:02 PM

Not needed. If WR needs a buff, she needs a better one. This is just a minor thing and the logic behind the sugg: "because it's an arrow" is countered by "how can a friggin arrow make someone unable to move and cast spells?"

Doovad · 02-19-2010, 07:06 PM

Well it is a magically enchanted arrow so your argument is also moot.

I give it a t-up. Just like Witch Doctor's cask, its the little buffs that make it nice.

Armymen · 02-19-2010, 08:19 PM

^ What he said

megboklek · 02-19-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Zangetsu2201

Not needed. If WR needs a buff, she needs a better one. This is just a minor thing and the logic behind the sugg: "because it's an arrow" is countered by "how can a friggin arrow make someone unable to move and cast spells?"

Because it's a magic enchanted arrow. It does not say it's an arrow made out of some magical material or anything. If a burning spear deals damage of a spear+fire, it's also logical that an arrow that pierces you to a tree or another unit must deal at least the damage of your attack.

"how can a friggin arrow make someone unable to move and cast spells?"
That's what magic enchanted has an answer for.

megboklek · 02-19-2010, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Doovad

Well it is a magically enchanted arrow so your argument is also moot.

I give it a t-up. Just like Witch Doctor's cask, its the little buffs that make it nice.

So if it deals WR's attack dmg - magic dmg type, then it's okay?

Lord_Talron · 02-19-2010, 08:47 PM

i really dont see why this shouldnt happen

megboklek · 02-19-2010, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Talron

i really dont see why this shouldnt happen

well, me neither. that's why i brought this up.

DarkMedina · 02-19-2010, 11:31 PM

T-up. Very consistent sugg.

megboklek · 02-19-2010, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkMedina

T-up. Very consistent sugg.

thanks.

Redeemed A.I. · 02-19-2010, 11:51 PM

Yes it is a nice suggestion.Having a critical and a stun is just sweet.
Btw it is based on base damage or does it also accounts damage from other dps items/status?

EtherMage · 02-19-2010, 11:59 PM

Sure, t-up
wind needs every a bigger buff, but it could start with this one.

megboklek · 02-20-2010, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasad

Yes it is a nice suggestion.Having a critical and a stun is just sweet.
Btw it is based on base damage or does it also accounts damage from other dps items/status?

Well, it's a x1 critical - a hit that does not miss.

And yes, it also counts raw damage. The main idea is that it's like a regular attack - only in magic dmg type, if it's more viable in case of a spell.
By status do you mean like Empower or Lunar Blessing/Trueshot Aura? Sure, they should work as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by EtherMage

Sure, t-up
wind needs every a bigger buff, but it could start with this one.

I was also thinking about tweaking Powershot, but this is a standalone idea up to this point. I wouldn't want to remake Alleria as a whole.

infer · 02-20-2010, 12:18 AM

obvious t-up is obvious

Redeemed A.I. · 02-20-2010, 12:21 AM

Yes you are right,it was my mistake and my blatant failure of maths.

Anyway,I don't have any problem now taking into consideration the damage from raw/status/auras ,it seems fair enough.

SuperFizzBoy · 02-21-2010, 04:27 PM

T-UP. it's a freakin' hard-to-aim nuke for its corrent gains. Give it a magical damage (not based on her corrent damage) only on a successful stun.
Optionally increase mana cost or increase CD for keepin' it balanced.

FizzBoy.

qoou · 02-21-2010, 04:48 PM

Hey, I have an idea! Windrunner's Windrunner skill is a bit bad for chasing/escaping; why not buff it... maybe turn it into Windleaper!
Oh, oh, and while you're at it, Powershot needs a slight buff too. Why not make it AOE! Arrows rain down from the sky, hitting all nearby enemies. Of course, the mana cost and cd would have to be upped a bit... Oh, and why not make it have a chance to randomly hit an enemy twice?! The name would have to be changed though... something like Arrowfall.
And actually, speaking of names, Shackleshot... not a very nice name. Why not rename it to... hm... I don't know, something like Windrunner's Arrow.
Oh, and her ulti too. It's so hard to use, and has an obscenely high mana cost. Imo, it should be changed. Erm, let's see... something that would still retain its mana cost... Oh, I know! Make it give all allied heroes invisibility for a few seconds!

Lord_Talron · 02-21-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by qoou

Hey, I have an idea! Windrunner's Windrunner skill is a bit bad for chasing/escaping; why not buff it... maybe turn it into Windleaper!
Oh, oh, and while you're at it, Powershot needs a slight buff too. Why not make it AOE! Arrows rain down from the sky, hitting all nearby enemies. Of course, the mana cost and cd would have to be upped a bit... Oh, and why not make it have a chance to randomly hit an enemy twice?! The name would have to be changed though... something like Arrowfall.
And actually, speaking of names, Shackleshot... not a very nice name. Why not rename it to... hm... I don't know, something like Windrunner's Arrow.
Oh, and her ulti too. It's so hard to use, and has an obscenely high mana cost. Imo, it should be changed. Erm, let's see... something that would still retain its mana cost... Oh, I know! Make it give all allied heroes invisibility for a few seconds!

go create your own damn topic instead of hijacking this one GTFO

02-19-2010, 02:41 PM	#2
fan.god Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: even with Gem, u can never find me Posts: 915 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [Tweak] Shackleshot your reason is just a reason. it is a magical arrow after all. why it has to have physical dmg? but Alleria could use some buffs. t-half-up __________________ BEWARE OF YOUR DREAMS

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Lord_Talron Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Not-doing-hero-reviews-requests land. Been there a while. Posts: 5,472 Blog Entries: 20	Re: [Tweak] Shackleshot tup for it dealing soem damage, or SOMETHING. its a nice skill, but a little meh __________________ Current Suggestions In Progress [BUFF] Mortred: allow butterfly\Storm Spirit Aghs\ Buff KotL\Buff Troll Battle Trance Buff/remake Medusa\Doom/neutral tweak\ Check out my IN PROGRESS suggestions!

02-19-2010, 07:02 PM	#4
Zangetsu2201 Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 4,507 Blog Entries: 6	Re: [Tweak] Shackleshot Not needed. If WR needs a buff, she needs a better one. This is just a minor thing and the logic behind the sugg: "because it's an arrow" is countered by "how can a friggin arrow make someone unable to move and cast spells?"

02-19-2010, 07:06 PM	#5
Doovad Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Virginia Tech Posts: 435 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [Tweak] Shackleshot Well it is a magically enchanted arrow so your argument is also moot. I give it a t-up. Just like Witch Doctor's cask, its the little buffs that make it nice. __________________ Dazzle is imba. Duct tape fixes everything. And Multicasts before 6.60. Those fixed everything as well.

02-19-2010, 08:19 PM	#6
Armymen Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Latvia Posts: 153	Re: [Tweak] Shackleshot ^ What he said __________________

02-19-2010, 08:47 PM	#9
Lord_Talron Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Not-doing-hero-reviews-requests land. Been there a while. Posts: 5,472 Blog Entries: 20	Re: [Tweak] Shackleshot i really dont see why this shouldnt happen __________________ Current Suggestions In Progress [BUFF] Mortred: allow butterfly\Storm Spirit Aghs\ Buff KotL\Buff Troll Battle Trance Buff/remake Medusa\Doom/neutral tweak\ Check out my IN PROGRESS suggestions!

02-19-2010, 11:31 PM	#11
DarkMedina Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Sao Carlos, Sao Paulo, Brazil Posts: 1,748 Blog Entries: 17	Re: [Tweak] Shackleshot T-up. Very consistent sugg. __________________ Recommended Links \| DRM for 6.68 \| Signature made by Momoku

02-19-2010, 11:51 PM	#13
Redeemed A.I. Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Greece.Μακεδονία Posts: 8,185	Re: [Tweak] Shackleshot Yes it is a nice suggestion.Having a critical and a stun is just sweet. Btw it is based on base damage or does it also accounts damage from other dps items/status? __________________ Rebalance techies' hit attack Allow abaddon and other heroes to use soul ringNEW!

02-20-2010, 12:18 AM	#16
infer Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,012	Re: [Tweak] Shackleshot obvious t-up is obvious

02-20-2010, 12:21 AM	#17
Redeemed A.I. Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Greece.Μακεδονία Posts: 8,185	Re: [Tweak] Shackleshot Yes you are right,it was my mistake and my blatant failure of maths. Anyway,I don't have any problem now taking into consideration the damage from raw/status/auras ,it seems fair enough. __________________ Rebalance techies' hit attack Allow abaddon and other heroes to use soul ringNEW!

02-21-2010, 04:27 PM	#18
SuperFizzBoy Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 209	Re: [Tweak] Shackleshot T-UP. it's a freakin' hard-to-aim nuke for its corrent gains. Give it a magical damage (not based on her corrent damage) only on a successful stun. Optionally increase mana cost or increase CD for keepin' it balanced. FizzBoy. __________________ Suggestions 1 Suggestion 2 [Components and gains] Soul Booster [Overhaul] Liquid Fire Extremely effective Phase Boots remake [TWEAK] Meld [Remake] Mortred, the Phantom Assassin [Remake] Mystic Snake

02-21-2010, 04:48 PM	#19
qoou Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,207	Re: [Tweak] Shackleshot Hey, I have an idea! Windrunner's Windrunner skill is a bit bad for chasing/escaping; why not buff it... maybe turn it into Windleaper! Oh, oh, and while you're at it, Powershot needs a slight buff too. Why not make it AOE! Arrows rain down from the sky, hitting all nearby enemies. Of course, the mana cost and cd would have to be upped a bit... Oh, and why not make it have a chance to randomly hit an enemy twice?! The name would have to be changed though... something like Arrowfall. And actually, speaking of names, Shackleshot... not a very nice name. Why not rename it to... hm... I don't know, something like Windrunner's Arrow. Oh, and her ulti too. It's so hard to use, and has an obscenely high mana cost. Imo, it should be changed. Erm, let's see... something that would still retain its mana cost... Oh, I know! Make it give all allied heroes invisibility for a few seconds!