[GAMEPLAY] Allow Blink Dagger on Pudge!

BabyComix · 08-19-2009, 02:11 PM

Why do we still have this ban on Blink Dagger for Pudge? Trapping heroes is still doable with many other heroes but we don't ban their skills ( e.g. Toss. ).

Imagine a Pudge with Blink Dagger - a large fat mass of corpses that can instantly pop in and devour you, holy crap! Finished with a point-blank Hook for the win.

Even if there are very strong objections to letting Pudge be able to hook people onto unpassable terrain, why not just make the Blink from dagger unable to blink to spots like those ( like the old Lightning Grapple )?

king_james · 08-19-2009, 04:18 PM

I support this, although Pudge + Batrider (Firefly) will be abused too much, allowing Pudge to set-up perfect Hook points (especially on top of cliffs).

Cp6uja · 08-19-2009, 04:55 PM

If it can be abused it will be abused, so NO! Thats why it was removed. Can you just remember the Force Staff at 6.60? Cry QQ River!

NoThlnG · 08-20-2009, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BabyComix

Even if there are very strong objections to letting Pudge be able to hook people onto unpassable terrain, why not just make the Blink from dagger unable to blink to spots like those ( like the old Lightning Grapple )?

I support this. Just make dagger unable to blink to unpassable terrains. And then allow dagger on pudge and venge

Olinea · 08-23-2009, 08:25 PM

Bump.

If you can't Vacuum or Lasso people onto cliffs, the Dagger should be done.

Support.

qlq · 08-23-2009, 08:28 PM

T-up from me as well. IIRC there is a way it can be fixed so that they can't blink onto not only unpassable regions but all regions where trees can spawn as well.

Kanashimi · 08-23-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by king_james

I support this, although Pudge + Batrider (Firefly) will be abused too much, allowing Pudge to set-up perfect Hook points (especially on top of cliffs).

The Blink Dagger was removed of Venge/Pudge for a reason. Since they have skills that could move Heroes easily, it would be like turning pudge's hook into 2200 range, what is very imbalanced. and like King Jame said, it could easily trap heroes in cliffs, what would ruin games. Force staff work for these heroes, 'cause force staff can't be used to get in a cliff (you get blocked if you try).

EDIT: Now i completely agree with this suggestion. In fact, i created my own suggestion toward Blink Dagger. Also, don't worry with 2200 range hook, that can be coded to not happen.

Super-sheep · 08-23-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanashimi

it would be like turning pudge's hook into 2200 range

Did you know that Pudge cant make ay actions before the hook has returned back to him?..

A n G E L · 08-23-2009, 09:17 PM

t-up for pudge but not for venge..

kanzakill · 08-23-2009, 10:46 PM

What about this

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http://www.playdota.com/forums/19535...been-deceived/

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Olinea · 08-23-2009, 11:02 PM

Saying that Dagger shouldn't be allowed on Pudge to increase the hook length is like saying it should be disabled on Sand King because it's too cheap with Epicenter.

NoThlnG · 08-24-2009, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Olinea

Saying that Dagger shouldn't be allowed on Pudge to increase the hook length is like saying it should be disabled on Sand King because it's too cheap with Epicenter.

Yes, and also this means :

- Force staff shouldn't be used for Bat Rider since it makes ulti drag longer.
- Force staff shouldn't be used for enchant since it increases the distance travelled by impetus.

xain819 · 08-24-2009, 03:10 AM

it can be abus pudge will blink ito the pond...in the upper line and lower line...and

ho0k...then they will date each other in the pond

D

Crapload · 08-24-2009, 04:39 AM

I fully agree, why should a hero not be able to use an item, all because it can be abused. Blink dagger should also be able to use on vengeful.

NoThlnG · 08-24-2009, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by xain819

it can be abus pudge will blink ito the pond...in the upper line and lower line...and

ho0k...then they will date each other in the pond

D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crapload

I fully agree, why should a hero not be able to use an item, all because it can be abused. Blink dagger should also be able to use on vengeful.

It's already clearly stated that makes dagger can't blink to those places....

Bovver · 08-24-2009, 09:24 AM

Null....

Super-sheep · 08-24-2009, 01:27 PM

You cant blink and hook at the same time, tards, so there wouldnt be any +2k range abuse z_z

Hero is paused until the hook "return time" expires.

BuBuTime · 08-24-2009, 01:38 PM

I think... its because of...

When pudge cast a meathook(1st location) then tried to blink on another place(2nd place), the meathook dummy's where still on the 1st pudge's location that will surely not look nice. Imagine a Meat Hook dummy pulling a target without the puller(pudge).

Sorry for my bad english...

BabyComix · 08-26-2009, 12:10 PM

I don't know, it would be very tough to land a split hook with a blink dagger as Pudge does have that half-second delay after casting Hook.

Unless... my other suggestion is implemented. All part of my plan heehee...

sonson619 · 08-26-2009, 12:13 PM

Pointing out another bug: Go to a pile of trees and hook them there. Imba maybe?

08-19-2009, 04:18 PM	#2
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08-23-2009, 08:25 PM	#5
Olinea Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 248	Re: [GAMEPLAY] Allow Blink Dagger on Pudge! Bump. If you can't Vacuum or Lasso people onto cliffs, the Dagger should be done. Support. __________________ "People often relate with their favorite heroes, STR heroes attract athletic people and badasses whom are not afraid to get their hands dirty. INT heroes attract witty and scheming people, people who plan their actions ahead and always have a few tricks up their sleeves. AGI heroes attract the people whom are neither strong or smart, so they say that they are fast and agile "like ninjas" In fact they are not good at anything, that's why all the noob heroes are agility based."

08-23-2009, 08:28 PM	#6
qlq Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: In the abyss of the unknown Posts: 2,926 Blog Entries: 2	Re: [GAMEPLAY] Allow Blink Dagger on Pudge! T-up from me as well. IIRC there is a way it can be fixed so that they can't blink onto not only unpassable regions but all regions where trees can spawn as well. __________________ removed due to severe case of butthurt

08-23-2009, 09:17 PM	#9
A n G E L Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 134	Re: [GAMEPLAY] Allow Blink Dagger on Pudge! t-up for pudge but not for venge..

08-23-2009, 11:02 PM	#11
Olinea Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 248	Re: [GAMEPLAY] Allow Blink Dagger on Pudge! Saying that Dagger shouldn't be allowed on Pudge to increase the hook length is like saying it should be disabled on Sand King because it's too cheap with Epicenter. __________________ "People often relate with their favorite heroes, STR heroes attract athletic people and badasses whom are not afraid to get their hands dirty. INT heroes attract witty and scheming people, people who plan their actions ahead and always have a few tricks up their sleeves. AGI heroes attract the people whom are neither strong or smart, so they say that they are fast and agile "like ninjas" In fact they are not good at anything, that's why all the noob heroes are agility based."

08-24-2009, 03:10 AM	#13
xain819 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 20	Re: [GAMEPLAY] Allow Blink Dagger on Pudge! it can be abus pudge will blink ito the pond...in the upper line and lower line...and ho0k...then they will date each other in the pond DD

08-24-2009, 04:39 AM	#14
Crapload Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 31	Re: [GAMEPLAY] Allow Blink Dagger on Pudge! I fully agree, why should a hero not be able to use an item, all because it can be abused. Blink dagger should also be able to use on vengeful.

08-24-2009, 09:24 AM	#16
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08-24-2009, 01:27 PM	#17
Super-sheep Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Finland Posts: 2,504	Re: [GAMEPLAY] Allow Blink Dagger on Pudge! You cant blink and hook at the same time, tards, so there wouldnt be any +2k range abuse z_z Hero is paused until the hook "return time" expires. __________________ • Team Fortress 2 • • Music(new!) • • ♥ • # Atlas Plug - Truth be Known # Blue Stahli - Jet Set # Castle Crashers - Arena # Feint - Atlas # PrinceWhatever - The Guardians of Equestria # Sub Focus - Rock It

08-24-2009, 01:38 PM	#18
BuBuTime Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 8	Re: [GAMEPLAY] Allow Blink Dagger on Pudge! I think... its because of... When pudge cast a meathook(1st location) then tried to blink on another place(2nd place), the meathook dummy's where still on the 1st pudge's location that will surely not look nice. Imagine a Meat Hook dummy pulling a target without the puller(pudge). Sorry for my bad english...

08-26-2009, 12:13 PM	#20
sonson619 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,117	Re: [GAMEPLAY] Allow Blink Dagger on Pudge! Pointing out another bug: Go to a pile of trees and hook them there. Imba maybe? __________________ Without order* nothing can exist, without chaos nothing can evolve*