[Item]D'Quadriaga

The Observer · 08-21-2009, 08:31 AM

D'Quadriaga

(Icon was from aoen's Vast Collection of Custom + Non-Custom Item Icons)

A weapon that was used to infiltrate into armor and tear the target's body from the inside. Gives +35 damage, +30 strength, and Infiltrate.

Infiltrate:
Infiltrates the enemy's armor, dealing pure damage and slowing the affected unit by 25% for 4 seconds. Has a 15% chance to proc.
(Orb Effect)

Recipe:

= 2250

= 1000

= 1400

(Auto Combines Into)

= 4650

Pros:
+ The recipe is a good combination
+ Str+Damage is always good
+ The pure damage+maim effect is a great synergy

Cons:
- Pure damage is too strong
- anything else?

Thanks to CynyC and georgian for the help.

EXTRA IDEAS

HellCraft · 08-21-2009, 08:34 AM

Why do we need an item that does the same thing as sange does(except for the pure damage part)

The Observer · 08-21-2009, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellCraft

Why do we need an item that does the same thing as sange does(except for the pure damage part)

Well, for one, the pure damage is a great synergy with the maim effect. And the maim effect of this item is actually stronger than sange, 5% stronger?

georgian · 08-21-2009, 09:55 AM

well,nice item,but i don't know what gauntlet does there?
i mean,if you want str,i suggest you to change one claymore with Ogre axe...
the final cost will be 4650 and looks nicer that way...
though,it will have more str and less dmg,but i could definitively see this on str-carries like sven,slardar,bara,etc..

The Observer · 08-21-2009, 10:01 AM

it's there for the +3 str because Sange only gives + 16.

CynyC · 08-21-2009, 10:10 AM

Ok, it looks alright. I see a slightly enhanced maim, which is alright since you've got the sange there. Unfortunately I feel this item suffers the same way my Mur'Gul Blades item does. SnY is currently a lot more powerful than these because it enhances the units attack speed to take advantage of the slowed enemy.

Still, until the items are inaction it's difficult to know as to whether the item is effective or not. I'd tell you to knock off a claymore, reduce 10 dmg, knock off the gauntlet and add an axe instead, then lift then strength gain to say 30.

Why? Well im not sure since the advent of Poor Man's Shield. Before that it was frowned upon to use the base attribute boosters.

Not sure what it's like now since theres not thread detailing what shouldn't be done and what is looked for.

The Observer · 08-21-2009, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CynyC

Ok, it looks alright. I see a slightly enhanced maim, which is alright since you've got the sange there. Unfortunately I feel this item suffers the same way my Mur'Gul Blades item does. SnY is currently a lot more powerful than these because it enhances the units attack speed to take advantage of the slowed enemy.

Still, until the items are inaction it's difficult to know as to whether the item is effective or not. I'd tell you to knock off a claymore, reduce 10 dmg, knock off the gauntlet and add an axe instead, then lift then strength gain to say 30.

Why? Well im not sure since the advent of Poor Man's Shield. Before that it was frowned upon to use the base attribute boosters.

Not sure what it's like now since theres not thread detailing what shouldn't be done and what is looked for.

So i'll lessen the price? Then change the claymore into a ogre axe and gauntlets into blades of attack? So it's +40 damage, +30 str, and Infiltrate?

EDIT: lol, price is almost the same.

Bovver · 08-21-2009, 10:30 AM

I like the pure dmg part, I dislike the sange effect

The Observer · 08-21-2009, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dj_Dz_X

I like the pure dmg part, I dislike the sange effect

Why so?

georgian · 08-21-2009, 11:16 AM

i guess you didn't read my previous post entirely so i make another one:

i suggest you this:
change the recipe like this:

2250

1000

1400

auto combines into:

4650

gives:
+30 Strength
+25 damage
Infiltrate(passive)

this will make agi-carriers more resistant and str-carriers better tankers AND better DPS-ers

compared to S&Y

+16 Agility
+16 Strength
+12 damage
+15 attack speed
Greater Maim (passive)
+12% movement speed

(which is 150 cheaper) is way better(more str,more dmg,better slow,pure dmg)

and BTW:
can you ask someone to put a background to the icon?
it would look more awesome

Mfunn · 08-21-2009, 12:28 PM

put old stats, new stats (bonus with combinaison ?) and put colors
i dont like concept

DuKKY · 08-21-2009, 12:33 PM

ok to all the haters .. this item is actually pretty good.. the fact that it gives 30 strength and 25 damage means its a new item for tanks to get.. eg. centaur, alchemist, rexxar, Panda .. ithink it brings a nice diversity to making tanks still tanks with a semi carry side to it..Yeah Sange and yasha is 150 cheaper and gives MS but if you tanking that extra agility is just useless?? id rather have more strength than agility.. and please dont try to justify why a tank would like that little bonus of agility.. T- UP

Zack1996 · 08-21-2009, 02:26 PM

Would be really powerful for heroes like Void, possibly. A possible replacement for Sange and Yasha, especially for more damage based heroes.
30 strength is too huge. FV would be too epic with this, not just Tankers.

Good concept though. Another item that combines DPS and Tanking ability is rather good

georgian · 08-21-2009, 05:36 PM

i love how you put my name spelled wrong in the credits, but whatever...

when i said i would like to put some background at the item icon i was thinking at smth like this:

(don't look at my bad painting skills(i've never done this before),look at the idea)

and put in the main post some comparison with S&Y and what heroes could have this item as core/luxury and how this could make some agi carry more resistant and str heroes more tanker

agi heroes:void,troll,NA,Ursa,spectre etc.
str heroes:bara,slardar,huskar,sven,davion etc.

i think this item really have his place in DotA

The Observer · 08-21-2009, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zack1996

Would be really powerful for heroes like Void, possibly. A possible replacement for Sange and Yasha, especially for more damage based heroes.
30 strength is too huge. FV would be too epic with this, not just Tankers.

Good concept though. Another item that combines DPS and Tanking ability is rather good

The fact that it is an Orb Effect also makes you only choose between the two. You'll either choose 30% chance of maim with a mix of str, damage and agi or 15% chance of pure damage and maim but and is a mix of damage and tanking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgian

i love how you put my name spelled wrong in the credits, but whatever...

when i said i would like to put some background at the item icon i was thinking at smth like this:

(don't look at my bad painting skills(i've never done this before),look at the idea)

agi heroes:void,troll,NA,Ursa,spectre etc.
str heroes:bara,slardar,huskar,sven,davion etc.

i think this item really have his place in DotA

lol sorry about that.

Well, i would want either a faint bluish glow on the outer edge of the icon or a reddish glow to signify strength.

And that synergy list is great, will add it later.

and i made a mistake on your name's spelling because i was thinking of a band when i read your name.

georgian · 08-21-2009, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asam3

lol sorry about that.

Well, i would want either a faint bluish glow on the outer edge of the icon or a reddish glow to signify strength.

And that synergy list is great, will add it later.

and i made a mistake on your name's spelling because i was thinking of a band when i read your name.

sure,no problem

the icon's background was only a rough idea, you can freely go to graphics center and ask somebody from there to put some glows(easily i think)

The Observer · 08-21-2009, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgian

sure,no problem

the icon's background was only a rough idea, you can freely go to graphics center and ask somebody from there to put some glows(easily i think)

Of course, not all icons need an aura, so i'd just stick to simplicity.

CynyC · 08-22-2009, 01:15 AM

I don't know if you changed the damage, but atm it's pretty shit.

Sange = +10
Claymore = +21
Both = +31
D'Q = +25

Somewhere is the Matrix there is +6 damage that has been lost.
Buff it to +35

The Observer · 08-22-2009, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CynyC

I don't know if you changed the damage, but atm it's pretty shit.

Sange = +10
Claymore = +21
Both = +31
D'Q = +25

Somewhere is the Matrix there is +6 damage that has been lost.
Buff it to +35

oh sorry bout that. i was wondering why the damage bonus was too low.

georgian · 08-22-2009, 06:54 AM

meh,i thought about the +35 dmg too,but to str heroes,it would be too much dmg(+65)along with the ability.

but idk about the name,think at this:if this item goes into DotA, wouldn't this item's name would be too hard?

ex:"I will buy first the Power Threads,then Dgrudhaua,uadriqgua'd,d'driagaga,
meh whatever,sange 2"

make something like a second name or smth,like this:
"D'Quadriaga the Enchanted Mace" - (is it a mace right?)

08-21-2009, 08:31 AM	#1
The Observer Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Starton Manila. Posts: 5,629 Blog Entries: 1	[Item]D'Quadriaga D'Quadriaga (Icon was from aoen's Vast Collection of Custom + Non-Custom Item Icons) A weapon that was used to infiltrate into armor and tear the target's body from the inside. Gives +35 damage, +30 strength, and Infiltrate. Infiltrate: Infiltrates the enemy's armor, dealing pure damage and slowing the affected unit by 25% for 4 seconds. Has a 15% chance to proc. (Orb Effect) Recipe: = 2250 = 1000 = 1400 (Auto Combines Into) = 4650 Pros: + The recipe is a good combination + Str+Damage is always good + The pure damage+maim effect is a great synergy Cons: - Pure damage is too strong - anything else? Thanks to CynyC and georgian for the help. EXTRA IDEAS If possible i would like this to be able to be upgraded into La Das Gequälte Fiore(The Tormented Flower, mix of german, french, and italian languages). It would look like this. La Das Gequälte Fiore An enhanced version of a powerful weapon that makes the target suffer more pain. Gives +75 damage, +30 strength and La Fioritura Die Interna La Fioritura Die Interna: Destroy's the enemy's body from the inside, dealing pure damage and slowing the affected unit by 30% for 5 seconds. Has a 20% chance to proc. (Orb Effect) = 2400 = 4650 (Turns Into) = 7050 (stupid 50 gold) Well, if this is possible, i'd say it's better than divine. i mean, pure damage? that's 1 hit kill from mortred for some heroes. and it's undroppable. lol imagine sven using this. __________________ Having a DotA 2 beta key is like being given a zombie cure. The mindless begging ends, along with the lack of social interaction with anyone. It's like you're all just there for the key, but once you get the key, the pain subsides and you get a little warmer inside.

Last edited by The Observer; 10-28-2009 at 12:04 PM. Reason: Changed recipe

08-21-2009, 08:34 AM	#2
HellCraft Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 679	Re: [Item]D'Quadraga Why do we need an item that does the same thing as sange does(except for the pure damage part)

08-21-2009, 09:55 AM	#4
georgian Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 480	Re: [Item]D'Quadraga well,nice item,but i don't know what gauntlet does there? i mean,if you want str,i suggest you to change one claymore with Ogre axe... the final cost will be 4650 and looks nicer that way... though,it will have more str and less dmg,but i could definitively see this on str-carries like sven,slardar,bara,etc..

08-21-2009, 10:01 AM	#5
The Observer Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Starton Manila. Posts: 5,629 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [Item]D'Quadraga it's there for the +3 str because Sange only gives + 16. __________________ Having a DotA 2 beta key is like being given a zombie cure. The mindless begging ends, along with the lack of social interaction with anyone. It's like you're all just there for the key, but once you get the key, the pain subsides and you get a little warmer inside.

08-21-2009, 10:10 AM	#6
CynyC Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 425	Re: [Item]D'Quadraga Ok, it looks alright. I see a slightly enhanced maim, which is alright since you've got the sange there. Unfortunately I feel this item suffers the same way my Mur'Gul Blades item does. SnY is currently a lot more powerful than these because it enhances the units attack speed to take advantage of the slowed enemy. Still, until the items are inaction it's difficult to know as to whether the item is effective or not. I'd tell you to knock off a claymore, reduce 10 dmg, knock off the gauntlet and add an axe instead, then lift then strength gain to say 30. Why? Well im not sure since the advent of Poor Man's Shield. Before that it was frowned upon to use the base attribute boosters. Not sure what it's like now since theres not thread detailing what shouldn't be done and what is looked for. __________________ Cynyc's Portfolio - Click for all my Item Suggestions! Always using ShadowKnight172's Item Template : Companion :: Druid Crown :: Rapier :: Aether Ring :: Primal Pact :: Dwarvern Targe :: Aegis of Seeing :: Erubite Gauntlets :: Mesmer's Regalia :: Mur'Gul Blades :: Du'Guirka :: Discharger :: Turgeon's Haunt :: Fearmonger :: Earthrender :: Benevolence :: Necrothain :

08-21-2009, 10:30 AM	#8
Bovver Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: England Posts: 2,249	Re: [Item]D'Quadraga I like the pure dmg part, I dislike the sange effect

08-21-2009, 11:16 AM	#10
georgian Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 480	Re: [Item]D'Quadriaga i guess you didn't read my previous post entirely so i make another one: i suggest you this: change the recipe like this: 2250 1000 1400 auto combines into: 4650 gives: +30 Strength +25 damage Infiltrate(passive) this will make agi-carriers more resistant and str-carriers better tankers AND better DPS-ers compared to S&Y +16 Agility +16 Strength +12 damage +15 attack speed Greater Maim (passive) +12% movement speed (which is 150 cheaper) is way better(more str,more dmg,better slow,pure dmg) and BTW: can you ask someone to put a background to the icon? it would look more awesome

Last edited by georgian; 08-21-2009 at 11:22 AM.

08-21-2009, 12:28 PM	#11
Mfunn Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ether Dimention Posts: 253	Re: [Item]D'Quadriaga put old stats, new stats (bonus with combinaison ?) and put colors i dont like concept __________________ Mfunn- justme ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Play Hard, Go pro

08-21-2009, 12:33 PM	#12
DuKKY Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,140	Re: [Item]D'Quadriaga ok to all the haters .. this item is actually pretty good.. the fact that it gives 30 strength and 25 damage means its a new item for tanks to get.. eg. centaur, alchemist, rexxar, Panda .. ithink it brings a nice diversity to making tanks still tanks with a semi carry side to it..Yeah Sange and yasha is 150 cheaper and gives MS but if you tanking that extra agility is just useless?? id rather have more strength than agility.. and please dont try to justify why a tank would like that little bonus of agility.. T- UP __________________ PROUDLY A CREATORS GUILD MEMBER CERTIFIED S.R.T MEMBER My hero creations My Remakes Access all this Here

Last edited by DuKKY; 08-21-2009 at 12:36 PM.

08-21-2009, 02:26 PM	#13
Zack1996 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Singapore! Posts: 1,259	Re: [Item]D'Quadriaga Would be really powerful for heroes like Void, possibly. A possible replacement for Sange and Yasha, especially for more damage based heroes. 30 strength is too huge. FV would be too epic with this, not just Tankers. Good concept though. Another item that combines DPS and Tanking ability is rather good

08-21-2009, 05:36 PM	#14
georgian Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 480	Re: [Item]D'Quadriaga i love how you put my name spelled wrong in the credits, but whatever... when i said i would like to put some background at the item icon i was thinking at smth like this: (don't look at my bad painting skills(i've never done this before),look at the idea) and put in the main post some comparison with S&Y and what heroes could have this item as core/luxury and how this could make some agi carry more resistant and str heroes more tanker agi heroes:void,troll,NA,Ursa,spectre etc. str heroes:bara,slardar,huskar,sven,davion etc. i think this item really have his place in DotA

Last edited by georgian; 08-21-2009 at 05:40 PM.

08-22-2009, 01:15 AM	#18
CynyC Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 425	Re: [Item]D'Quadriaga I don't know if you changed the damage, but atm it's pretty shit. Sange = +10 Claymore = +21 Both = +31 D'Q = +25 Somewhere is the Matrix there is +6 damage that has been lost. Buff it to +35 __________________ Cynyc's Portfolio - Click for all my Item Suggestions! Always using ShadowKnight172's Item Template : Companion :: Druid Crown :: Rapier :: Aether Ring :: Primal Pact :: Dwarvern Targe :: Aegis of Seeing :: Erubite Gauntlets :: Mesmer's Regalia :: Mur'Gul Blades :: Du'Guirka :: Discharger :: Turgeon's Haunt :: Fearmonger :: Earthrender :: Benevolence :: Necrothain :

08-22-2009, 06:54 AM	#20
georgian Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 480	Re: [Item]D'Quadriaga meh,i thought about the +35 dmg too,but to str heroes,it would be too much dmg(+65)along with the ability. but idk about the name,think at this:if this item goes into DotA, wouldn't this item's name would be too hard? ex:"I will buy first the Power Threads,then Dgrudhaua,uadriqgua'd,d'driagaga, meh whatever,sange 2" make something like a second name or smth,like this: "D'Quadriaga the Enchanted Mace" - (is it a mace right?)