ice blast

[dandan300]

will you be healed when using str growth while w/ the debuffs of ice blast? (e.g turning treads to str treads) how does it counter the healing on the units? is it like a persuedo-evasion but it damages instead of heals? how does it work against persuedo-evasions?? when nerubian weaver uses time lapse will he be healed because i think it removes buffs on weaver. how about sunder?

[5chneemensch]

will you be healed when using str growth while w/ the debuffs of ice blast?

No, you acutally die even faster

how does it counter the healing on the units?

It checks for your current health and lowers it everytime you go over the stored value

how does it work against persuedo-evasions??

Its not a dmg event, so it doesn't work

when nerubian weaver uses time lapse will he be healed because i think it removes buffs on weaver.

Don't know
If he can remove the debuff, he will be healed

how about sunder?

You won't get any health

[dandan300]

Quote:
will you be healed when using str growth while w/ the debuffs of ice blast?
No

so basically you will just speed up your death??

[5chneemensch]

Yes

It works like this:
1. Check for current HP
2. Store value
Runs every 0.25 sec, AFAIK
- If HP is higher than the stored value, reduce HP to stored value

So, the conclusion is:
If you get +STR, your maximum hitpoints are raised
But, since your hitpoints are stored, you are closer to 10%/11%/12% instantkill

[Küken]

€ this statement was wrong, Lordshinjo is correct. I somehow missed the buff check in the code and did no test myself.

[Lordshinjo]

Ice Blast checks for the buff, so Time Lapse will work as intended, negate Ice Blast and heal Weaver.

(Tested btw)

[dandan300]

waw tnx for the replies but how will it act against persuedo-evasions (e.g refraction)

[Black Isle]

Originally Posted by Phthalocyanine

Lanaya With refraction 1000 HP. Frostbite buff on her. Takes damage from dagon 1.
What happens: 1000-400=600 600+400=1000.

What should happens if it blocked triggered heals:
1000-400=600
Frostbite stores value of 600.
600+400=1000
Frostbite reduces HP to last stored value: 600.

It blocks abaddon's borrowed time's healing part effect because 1000 HP is already stored.

Hope it's clear. Basically, triggered heals normally work as they supposed to except Borrowed Time's heal part.

[Brzelius]

How often does it store the HP value? Each time the DoT ticks? Every 0.25 s?

[SNOW37]

Everytime the function is called which is 0.25 seconds.

[Black Isle]

If I remember correctly it's.. well maybe I remember wrong.

[Brzelius]

Is it theoretically possible that the ice blast debuff HP check runs right after damages is applied and right before a triggered heal heals it back so the triggered heal will get nullified? (In case the triggered heal doesn't pre-heal)

[SNOW37]

No, as no two events can occur at the same time in dota. The first event UNIT_EVENT_DAMGED would cause the triggered heal in function A. The second every that runs every 0.25 seconds would call function B. Since no two functions can be called at the same time there is no way to stop the pre heal.

[Daimonie]

Wait, did somebody just say it counters Abba's ultimate as well?

[Black Isle]

When Abbadon is affected by Ice Blast, he will not be healed by damages, but will not lose HP neither.

[Daimonie]

Originally Posted by Phthalocyanine

When Abbadon is affected by Ice Blast, he will not be healed by damages, but will not lose HP neither.

sweet! Thanks a lot.