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Old 08-22-2009, 06:11 PM   #1
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Memento Mori



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A skull of a one eyed demon. Within it lingers it's one eye's power. Grants +40% magic resistance, +8hp regen, and Farsight(active)

Farsight:

Enables you to watch over a hero at the cost of your own sight. Lasts for 10 seconds. Your hero loses 80 sight range per second while this skill is activated but in return shows you 80 sight range of the targeted hero per second. Can see invisible units.

Skill caster and target will get this buff while skill is activated.



Mana Cost: 80
Cooldown: 80
Casting Range: 1800

How it Works:

Quote:
Left = you : Right = Enemy
1: -80 ; +80
2: -160 ; +160
3: -240 ; +240
4: -320 ; +320
5: -400 ; +400
6: -480 ; +480
7: -560 ; +560
8: -640 ; +640
9: -720 ; +720
10: -800 ; +800

So you lose some sight range to your hero but see more of the sight range of the enemy hero. The idea is like you're sharing visions with people but suddenly your vision snaps back into your own because you might lose sight to your own eyes or something.
Recipe:

= 2050
= 800

(Turns Into)

= 2850

Upgradable into level 2

Level 2:

Farsight gets a longer duration
Mana cost: 160
Cooldown: 160


Quote:
Left = you : Right = Enemy
1: -80 ; +80
2: -160 ; +160
3: -240 ; +240
4: -320 ; +320
5: -400 ; +400
6: -480 ; +480
7: -560 ; +560
8: -640 ; +640
9: -720 ; +720
10: -800 ; +800
11. +800 ; -800
12. +720 ; -720
13. +640 ; -640
14. +560 ; -560
15. +480 ; -480
16. +400 ; -400
17. +320 ; -320
18. +240 ; -240
19. +160 ; -160
20 +80 ; -80
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Originally Posted by CynyC View Post
45%...

Overkill?
Answer:
Quote:
Originally Posted by asam3 View Post
3 cloaks give the same effect for only 1200 gold. A HoD and a cloak gives the same bonus also.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kanzakill View Post
I'm 100% sure that they don't
Heroes' base magic resistance is 25%

With Memento Mori: 25% + 75% x 45% = 58.75%
With 3 cloaks: 25% + 75% x 15% + (75% - (75% x 15%)) x 15% + (75% -(75% - (75% x 15%))) x 15% = 25% + 11.25% + 9.5652% + 8.12772% = 53.94292 %
With a HoD and a cloak: 25% + 75% x 30% + (75% - (75% x 30%)) x 15% = 25% + 22.5% + 7.875% = 55.375%

Still, after the calculation, we can see the difference is not that big to be called an overkill
So er.... actually..... uhmm.... Well kanzakill said it's not that imba if we compare the 45% of MM to items like 3 cloaks and 1 cloak and 1 HoD.
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Old 08-22-2009, 06:14 PM   #2
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-80 sight is kinda nothing... it should be that way, that your hero has only sight of 80 range while effect lasts... o.ô
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Old 08-22-2009, 06:21 PM   #3
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Default Re: [Item]Memento Mori

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-80 sight is kinda nothing... it should be that way, that your hero has only sight of 80 range while effect lasts... o.ô
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Your hero loses 80 sight range per second while this skill is activated
1 = 80
2 = 160
3 = 240
4 = 320
5 = 400
6 = 480
7 = 560
8 = 640
9 = 720
10 = 800


that means you lose 800 sight range in the 10 second duration.
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Old 08-22-2009, 06:58 PM   #4
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Default Re: [Item]Memento Mori

You understand that "Memento Mori" means "Remember you shall die right"? I like the name very much, but I can't understand the link between it and this item, especially the icon.

I like the skill too, but I think it'll be better as a hero's skill, not an item's
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Old 08-22-2009, 07:07 PM   #5
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Default Re: [Item]Memento Mori

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You understand that "Memento Mori" means "Remember you shall die right"? I like the name very much, but I can't understand the link between it and this item, especially the icon.

I like the skill too, but I think it'll be better as a hero's skill, not an item's
Memento Mori also means, "Remnants/Remains of the dead". I was looking for other terms of skull and memento mori was one of it's synonyms.

And Hero skill as in Track, Amplify damage, and charge of darkness?
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Old 08-22-2009, 10:42 PM   #6
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IIRC Memento Mori is Latin for Remember Death. I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere.

But back on topic, do we really NEED another Track?
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I don't think we need another item with magic resistance. The craetion of the pipe, imo, is more than an amen on that.
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I am not entirely sure we need another magic resistance item indeed, but the effect itself is nice, I kinda like it. And yeah, it means remembering death or something similar.
I dunno, maybe it should be a standalone item like ghost scepter...
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Old 08-23-2009, 01:54 AM   #9
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i was actually thinking of madness or dominator, but i don't know what to choose.
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Old 08-23-2009, 03:34 AM   #10
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45%...

Overkill?
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45%...

Overkill?
3 cloaks give the same effect for only 1200 gold. A HoD and a cloak gives the same bonus also.
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Old 08-23-2009, 04:29 AM   #12
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Default Re: [Item]Memento Mori

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Originally Posted by asam3 View Post
3 cloaks give the same effect for only 1200 gold. A HoD and a cloak gives the same bonus also.
I'm 100% sure that they don't
Heroes' base magic resistance is 25%

With Memento Mori: 25% + 75% x 45% = 58.75%
With 3 cloaks: 25% + 75% x 15% + (75% - (75% x 15%)) x 15% + (75% -(75% - (75% x 15%))) x 15% = 25% + 11.25% + 9.5652% + 8.12772% = 53.94292 %
With a HoD and a cloak: 25% + 75% x 30% + (75% - (75% x 30%)) x 15% = 25% + 22.5% + 7.875% = 55.375%

Still, after the calculation, we can see the difference is not that big to be called an overkill
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Old 08-23-2009, 05:07 AM   #13
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No I'm calling the raw figure itself an overkill.

45%, and the natural magic resistance? Is that what you calculated kanza?
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I also think that another Magic Resistance Item with 45% this time is kind of big despite the diminishing returns.

But I like the active ability.

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probably that's what he calculated CynyC
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Without the 25% base magic resistance:

45%
15%+85%x15%+60%x15%=15%+12.75%+9%=36%
30%+70%x15%=40.5%

It looks like an overkill like this. But when we actually put them on heroes, the base 25% will make the difference between them much smaller
=> Don't give the same bonus, but not an overkill
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item name taken from Gundam 00
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Default Re: [Item]Memento Mori

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Without the 25% base magic resistance:

45%
15%+85%x15%+60%x15%=15%+12.75%+9%=36%
30%+70%x15%=40.5%

It looks like an overkill like this. But when we actually put them on heroes, the base 25% will make the difference between them much smaller
=> Don't give the same bonus, but not an overkill
so you're pointing out that it doesn't really give 45% magic resistance but is actually only 40%?
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so you're pointing out that it doesn't really give 45% magic resistance but is actually only 40%?
Oh come on I am supporting you

I pointed out that 3 cloaks and (one HoD and one cloak) don't give 45% each
I am trying to convince people that 45% of MM is not an overkill compared to 3 cloaks and (one HoD and one cloak)
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