[STR-Scourge]Kil'jaeden :: The Infernal

Serafell · 03-06-2010, 10:55 AM

THE INFERNAL
Mannoroth

Strength

-Agility

Intelligence

_____

20 + 3.0

-16 + 1.7

20 + 2

No icon yet. Shattering Strike Buff Placer. Give you additional physical firepower based on your strenght, target`s level, and armor. It also slows the target`s movespeed with each hit.
Corruption Decrease armor of target whenever it attacks, or is attacked. It can be used to dramaticly increase effectiveness of your other skills.
Demonic Wrath This skills is second after Shatterign Strike source of power. This skill increase your STR whenever you attack, or get DMG for a short time.
Pact of Suffering This skill may seem to be weakest of all presented, but it`s advantage lies in it`s syngery with other skills. Give damage over time based on your strenght.

Affiliation: Scourge _____ Attack Animation: 0.4 / 0.35
Damage: 40 - 42 Casting Animation: 0.35 / 0.3
Armor: 1.7 Base Attack Time: 1.6
Movespeed: 280 Missile Speed: Instant
Attack Range: 128 (melee) Sight Range: 1800 / 800

Mannoroth is mainly a first line battle hero, his skills allow him to become as stronger as longer he fights, so he`s the man that should be covering second-line heroes, or slaying enemy carriers on his own.His bad side is low movement speed and lack of escape mechanism, that place him between targets of 1v1 DPS heroes, but who wants to run if you can fight and win?

Mannoroth - Once a dread pit lord has been slain by his old servant: Grom Hellscream. Beside the death of his body, soul has made it to escape, and sworn the vengeance on his slayers. He has been raised again and put into body of infernal by the power of The Frozen Throne to give him a chance to fullify the promise given many years before, and lead The Scourge to victory.

No icon yet.	Shattering Strike_______	Mannoroth strikes without any technique, but with maximal power. Give Additional damage based on your STR, target`s level, and armor. Slows the target movespeed with each consecutive hit.
	Ability Type:	Active Auto-Cast
	Targeting Type:	Auto targeting (Buff Placer)
	Ability Hotkey:	S

Level	Mana Cost	Cooldown	Casting Range	Area of Effect	Duration	Allowed Targets	Effects
1	10	3	Meele	N/A	2	Enemy	-1% MS per hit, Use 30% STR to add DMG
2	15	2	Meele	N/A	3	Enemy	-1.5% MS per hit, Use 45% STR to add DMG
3	20	1	Meele	N/A	3	Enemy	-2% MS per hit, Use 60% STR to add DMG
4	25	0	Meele	N/A	3	Enemy	-2.5% MS per hit, Use 75% STR to add DMG

Notes

Slow stacks with effect, while duration is resetted.
Damage cap is 100/150/225/300
Extra DMG type is physical
Math formula:
(Your Str * precentage of str used) * Target level / Target armor amount
If armor amount is equal or below 1 result of formula isn`t divided. (it is count as 1)
Eg.
(83*0.75)*20/12 = +103 DMG

(32*0.3)*5/-1 = +48 DMG

		Corruption_______		Puts an ancient curse on enemy so his armor will corrupt whenever enemy tries to use it.
		Ability Type:		Active
		Targeting Type:		Auto Targeted
		Ability Hotkey:		T

Level	Mana Cost	Cooldown	Casting Range	Area of Effect	Duration	Allowed Targets	Effects
1	110	20	300	N/A	3	Enemy	Decrease armor by 0.2 whenever target get damaged.
2	110	20	300	N/A	4	Enemy	Decrease armor by 0.3 whenever target get damaged.
3	110	20	300	N/A	5	Enemy	Decrease armor by 0.4 whenever target get damaged.
4	110	20	300	N/A	6	Enemy	Decrease armor by 0.5 whenever target get damaged.

Notes

Armor decrement has 0.1 sec cooldown.
Decreases stack, and last till duration ends.
This skill is triggered both by Player, and non-Player based DMG.
Isn`t triggered by Ion Shell

		Demonic Wrath_____________		Mannoroth feeds his powers with fear, and aggresion of his enemies. Increase your STR whenever you take, or give DMG.
		Ability Type:		Passive
		Targeting Type:		N/A
		Ability Hotkey:		W

Level

Mana Cost

Cooldown

Casting Range

Area of Effect

Duration

Allowed Targets

Effects

1

N/A

4

Self

Add 0.1 STR for each event. Max 10 bonus STR.

2

N/A

6

Self

Add 0.2 STR for each event. Max 17 bonus STR.

3

N/A

8

Self

Add 0.3 STR for each event. Max 24 bonus STR.

4

N/A

10

Self

Add 0.4 STR for each event. Max 30 bonus STR.

Notes

This is charge based skill - each charge equal to set amount of STR has independet duration time.
When STR cap (100/85/80/75 charges) is full each new charge replace the oldest present one.
Pact of Suffering Disable cap of bonus STR for it`s duration time.

		Pact.of.Suffering		Sign the enemy into fel pact invented to bring down souls of even the most fierce fighters. Give DMG based on your STR to both you and the target in ever shorter intervals.
		Ability Type:		Active
		Targeting Type:		Enemy
		Ability Hotkey:		F

Level	Mana Cost	Cooldown	Casting Range	Area of Effect *	Duration	Allowed Targets	Effects
1	100	60	400	1000	6	Enemy Hero Ancient	Damage every 0.3 sec, Use 30% of STR to give DMG to enemies, and give 2 self DMG.
2	150	50	400	1000	7	Enemy Hero Ancient	Damage every 0.2 sec, Use 30% of STR to give DMG to enemies, and give 2 self DMG.
3	200	40	400	1000	8	Enemy Hero Ancient	Damage every 0.1 sec, Use 30% of STR to give DMG to enemies, and give 3 self DMG.

Notes

* Damage will be dealt only if target closer than 1000 units from Mannoroth.
Damage type: Physical (Enemy), Pure (Self)
This skill give total of 100/125/150% of your STR to enemies, and 6/10/30 Pure DMG to you. (per second)

Kriegskanzler · 03-07-2010, 03:53 AM

Hmm... Well, here's what I think:

1. The model is not good. I mean, the Infernal is a mere summonable by another hero, Demnok Lannik, the Warlock, right? So, if the Infernal becomes a summonable, that means he has betrayed his master in some way? Hmm... On another point of view, that could make a great background story.

2. I don't think immolation will be fitting as his ultimate, I mean, the Infernal is immolation itself and thus, immolations should be his first skill. If Shattering Strike could be considered a passive skill like that of Kunkka's Tidebringer, then it could be an ultimate skill by itself.

3. The second skill is just plain... weird. I mean, its like Desolator, only better. Would the two stack? If so, then that is scary and may be an OP concern. Will you create a test map for this? I sure want to see this skill into play. It's interesting.

4. The third skill synergizes well with the other skills, IMO.

Overall, I think this is a good hero suggestion. But with some discrepancies, I think there is room for improvement. Nevertheless, I T-Up this hero. c:

Khassar · 03-07-2010, 06:04 PM

Theme:
Hum, another demon oriented hero. Atleast he's not fire-oriented. Fine by me.

Statistic and stats:
Whoa, that stat growth is huge. I know, there are other heroes with insane stats growth, but considering the skillset of this one, I'd say that stats are a bit OP. Also, starting damage is rather low, maybe you should buff it a bit at the cost of some strength.

Skills:

Shattering strike:
Not a bad one. Nothing to special or innovative, but it fits this hero quite well. Numbers seem fine, and the cleave isn't an overkill. Maybe that part about what happens if armor<0 should be clarified some more.

Corruption:
Nice skill all in all. It gives him some extra damaging potential, a way to support his team, and gives more firepower to his ult. Again, numbers seem fine.

Demonic wrath:
I don't really think that this hero needs more strength conisdering his already wtf-ish strength gain. Acctualy, his remaining skills are giving him a rather high dps boost, so I'd like to see a more defense-oriented skill. Sure, more str=more hp, but just like I said, he already has enough str.

Immolation:
Huh, radiance ult. This hero has some serious farming potential. I mean, cleave + immolation, come on! While it has some nice synergy with the rest of his skillset, I'd like to see another skill as his ult. He is infernal and stuff, but considering his allready high str coupled with his str boosting skill just screams IMBA.

All in all, I like shattering and corruption and dislike wrath and immolation. I'd like to see some more work here untill I T-something it.

Sry for no suggestions, but anything I come up atm is either already in dota or completly unfiting/stupid.

And of course, gl mate.

Serafell · 03-07-2010, 07:07 PM

I`ve already nefred both base strenght and its growth.
Currenlty i work on a new ultimate (more original, and with better syngery)

Thanks for revievs mates.

EDIT:
I`ve changed ultimate, to better syngerize with others skills, and also fit into theme. Please review.

Skynetsvk · 03-09-2010, 12:46 PM

Intel. grow is too high for me, other stats are good I think

1. I like it, that str dmg is good

2. good but I think that armor reduce is too low, but wait this armor decrease will be activated only if Kil'Jaden hit the target or if all friendly heroes will attack target?? if all it is good if only Kil then it is too low

3. so it is counting like this [you will teach this spell someone will hit you(then starts 10 sec duration) and in this duration all which will be hitted by you or will hit you, increases your str? but the duration will not be reseted?

4. I like it but it is too op 0.1 sec and if you have 100 str it will count 15 str and it will deal this every 0.1 sec so for 1 sec it is 150 dmg and duration is 7 second and I think you will have much more str ... and that self dmg is really destructive too change it too

I like it, but that model doesn't look like Kil'Jaden

Serafell · 03-09-2010, 04:39 PM

Quote:

2. good but I think that armor reduce is too low, but wait this armor decrease will be activated only if Kil'Jaden hit the target or if all friendly heroes will attack target?? if all it is good if only Kil then it is too low

Nope This isn`t underpowered - on 4th level you can decrease enemy armor by 0.5 every 0.1 sec, so... If you precast ulti on him which give damage every 0.1 sec he will lose up to 30 armor

- and at this point duration of corruption will end.

Quote:

3. so it is counting like this [you will teach this spell someone will hit you(then starts 10 sec duration) and in this duration all which will be hitted by you or will hit you, increases your str? but the duration will not be reseted?

It increase your STR whenever you are damaged, or give damage, so if you hit 3 mobs at once (cleave) you will gain 1.2 STR for 10 seconds, and if you hit them again you will gain another 1.2 STR for another 10 seconds. Same way if you get hit - if somebody attack you your STR is increased by 0.4 for 10 sec and if he attack you once again you will gain another 0.4 str for another 10 sec.
+Stats conservation is similar to obsidian, and slark, which also steal stats but other way.

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4. I like it but it is too op 0.1 sec and if you have 100 str it will count 15 str and it will deal this every 0.1 sec so for 1 sec it is 150 dmg and duration is 7 second and I think you will have much more str ... and that self dmg is really destructive too change it too

This skill is in state of balancement so any suggestions are welcome.

Quote:

I like it, but that model doesn't look like Kil'Jaden

Ye i`m working on Story that will explain why Kil`Jaden became Infernal

Thanks for review

Skynetsvk · 03-09-2010, 05:36 PM

still that 3. skill is overpowered if you will have in 1 sec 1.2 str and it there is no cap, you will be like huge mass pudge health infernal

[sry strength

]

Serafell · 03-09-2010, 06:05 PM

Quote:

still that 3. skill is overpowered if you will have in 1 sec 1.2 str and it there is no cap, you will be like huge mass pudge health infernal [sry strength ]

I`m just about to fix it - i`ll give a new version soon.

FlaMe · 03-09-2010, 06:06 PM

There already is an infernal in game :|

Serafell · 03-09-2010, 06:22 PM

Yes but we can make this Infernal model smaller, or tint him. There are many options that will allow to not to get screwed when warlock cast his ulti.

BTW
I`ve just finished rebalancing Demonic Wrath

Serafell · 03-18-2010, 04:55 PM

<--bump-->

Ironside · 03-20-2010, 03:45 PM

Well I don't have anything other to say, I like this hero, I give you T-up.
GL

fr0zenknife · 03-22-2010, 05:04 PM

wel first of all it is "kil' jaeden"
and he is not a infernal
-but i like the concept-
just be more original about name
and change the overused titan's grip icon on first skill pl0x

IAmTheSpoon · 03-22-2010, 06:28 PM

While the name isn't too original, I deem the skills to be quite creative.
Unfortunately, all-round, they don't seem to make an interesting hero in total. Seems a right-click hero. There is neither an initiation skill nor any skill that would attract greater attention to him.
So sorry, T-down. Good try though.

ResQ · 03-22-2010, 06:56 PM

Change the way you present your suggestion, firstly. Fix typos, like "´" in the name and fix the name aswell. (google around you'll find the real name, you should put more effort in a hero suggestion)

Didn't even took a look at the skils. It's just unorganized like hell, you should try to learn from other suggestions.

Serafell · 03-27-2010, 02:18 PM

I`ve reorganised skills, made some tables, and removed placeholders for skills 1, and 2. I hope that it`s possible to read it now.

Captain Planet · 03-28-2010, 11:23 AM

You really need to clean up the layout of this hero. At the moment its very difficult to read. You should use one of the templates lying around in the forums. you will be doing all potential reviewers a great favour if you do.

Skill 1: Interesting...autocasting cleave?

That's something I've not seen before XD Not bad.

Skill 2: Again, an interesting spell. Does it only work with hero damage or all damage. Much better if it works with all damage, making is a good early game harassing spell.

Skill 3: Add a duration for the bonuses. Otherwise this skill becomes useless after a while. Once the caps are reached, nothing more happens. Add a duration.

Ultimate: I don't get this skill at all. Make it clearer what this skill does and I can finish this review. Otherwise I can't tell you what I think of him as a whole. Fix the descriptions of this skill. Fast.

Serafell · 03-28-2010, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Add a duration.

It seems that i deleted it when i was doing tables :/ -> Done

I`ve also added some new descriptions to skills.
Then i`ll look for a good template, and rewrite hero.

googleson78 · 04-12-2010, 07:51 PM

Too bad
a) your grammar is bad
b) according to your description of 3rd skill it shoudn't trigger of mordiggian as it only says units
c) even if it did trigger off any dmg it still woudn't since armlet is DEGEN

NoThlnG · 04-13-2010, 08:55 AM

Try to use this as template so this suggestion won't hurt anyone's eyes

http://www.playdota.com/forums/48863...e-official-pd/

And, please change the name. Kil'jaedan simply doesn't fit as Infernal's name.

For model, just tint it to red like this

03-07-2010, 03:53 AM	#2
Kriegskanzler Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: The Philippines Posts: 3,579 Blog Entries: 6	Re: [STR-Scourge]Kil`Jaden :: The Infernal Hmm... Well, here's what I think: 1. The model is not good. I mean, the Infernal is a mere summonable by another hero, Demnok Lannik, the Warlock, right? So, if the Infernal becomes a summonable, that means he has betrayed his master in some way? Hmm... On another point of view, that could make a great background story. 2. I don't think immolation will be fitting as his ultimate, I mean, the Infernal is immolation itself and thus, immolations should be his first skill. If Shattering Strike could be considered a passive skill like that of Kunkka's Tidebringer, then it could be an ultimate skill by itself. 3. The second skill is just plain... weird. I mean, its like Desolator, only better. Would the two stack? If so, then that is scary and may be an OP concern. Will you create a test map for this? I sure want to see this skill into play. It's interesting. 4. The third skill synergizes well with the other skills, IMO. Overall, I think this is a good hero suggestion. But with some discrepancies, I think there is room for improvement. Nevertheless, I T-Up this hero. c: __________________ Follow @Kriegskanzler \| Kanzler's Blog \| A Study in Black?

03-07-2010, 06:04 PM	#3
Khassar Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 614	Re: [STR-Scourge]Kil`Jaden :: The Infernal Theme: Hum, another demon oriented hero. Atleast he's not fire-oriented. Fine by me. Statistic and stats: Whoa, that stat growth is huge. I know, there are other heroes with insane stats growth, but considering the skillset of this one, I'd say that stats are a bit OP. Also, starting damage is rather low, maybe you should buff it a bit at the cost of some strength. Skills: Shattering strike: Not a bad one. Nothing to special or innovative, but it fits this hero quite well. Numbers seem fine, and the cleave isn't an overkill. Maybe that part about what happens if armor<0 should be clarified some more. Corruption: Nice skill all in all. It gives him some extra damaging potential, a way to support his team, and gives more firepower to his ult. Again, numbers seem fine. Demonic wrath: I don't really think that this hero needs more strength conisdering his already wtf-ish strength gain. Acctualy, his remaining skills are giving him a rather high dps boost, so I'd like to see a more defense-oriented skill. Sure, more str=more hp, but just like I said, he already has enough str. Immolation: Huh, radiance ult. This hero has some serious farming potential. I mean, cleave + immolation, come on! While it has some nice synergy with the rest of his skillset, I'd like to see another skill as his ult. He is infernal and stuff, but considering his allready high str coupled with his str boosting skill just screams IMBA. All in all, I like shattering and corruption and dislike wrath and immolation. I'd like to see some more work here untill I T-something it. Sry for no suggestions, but anything I come up atm is either already in dota or completly unfiting/stupid. And of course, gl mate.

03-07-2010, 07:07 PM	#4
Serafell Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 101	Re: [STR-Scourge]Kil`Jaden :: The Infernal I`ve already nefred both base strenght and its growth. Currenlty i work on a new ultimate (more original, and with better syngery) Thanks for revievs mates. EDIT: I`ve changed ultimate, to better syngerize with others skills, and also fit into theme. Please review.

Last edited by Serafell; 03-08-2010 at 02:41 PM.

03-09-2010, 12:46 PM	#5
Skynetsvk Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 92	Re: [STR-Scourge]Kil`Jaden :: The Infernal Intel. grow is too high for me, other stats are good I think 1. I like it, that str dmg is good 2. good but I think that armor reduce is too low, but wait this armor decrease will be activated only if Kil'Jaden hit the target or if all friendly heroes will attack target?? if all it is good if only Kil then it is too low 3. so it is counting like this [you will teach this spell someone will hit you(then starts 10 sec duration) and in this duration all which will be hitted by you or will hit you, increases your str? but the duration will not be reseted? 4. I like it but it is too op 0.1 sec and if you have 100 str it will count 15 str and it will deal this every 0.1 sec so for 1 sec it is 150 dmg and duration is 7 second and I think you will have much more str ... and that self dmg is really destructive too change it too I like it, but that model doesn't look like Kil'Jaden __________________ Bulirion..Winchestud..Rok'thon..Dhurk..Achéris

03-09-2010, 05:36 PM	#7
Skynetsvk Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 92	Re: [STR-Scourge]Kil`Jaden :: The Infernal still that 3. skill is overpowered if you will have in 1 sec 1.2 str and it there is no cap, you will be like huge mass pudge health infernal [sry strength ] __________________ Bulirion..Winchestud..Rok'thon..Dhurk..Achéris

03-09-2010, 06:06 PM	#9
FlaMe Forum Staff Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,164 Blog Entries: 2	Re: [STR-Scourge]Kil`Jaden :: The Infernal There already is an infernal in game :\| __________________ If you're interested in 3D game design click here 真実はいつもひとつ Join The IceFrog Fans Club Now! He who breathes with fire. He is the hyena killer.

03-09-2010, 06:22 PM	#10
Serafell Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 101	Re: [STR-Scourge]Kil`Jaden :: The Infernal Yes but we can make this Infernal model smaller, or tint him. There are many options that will allow to not to get screwed when warlock cast his ulti. BTW I`ve just finished rebalancing Demonic Wrath

03-18-2010, 04:55 PM	#11
Serafell Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 101	Re: [STR-Scourge]Kil`Jaden :: The Infernal <--bump--> __________________

03-20-2010, 03:45 PM	#12
Ironside Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 482	Re: [STR-Scourge]Kil`Jaden :: The Infernal Well I don't have anything other to say, I like this hero, I give you T-up. GL __________________

03-22-2010, 05:04 PM	#13
fr0zenknife Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,435	Re: [STR-Scourge]Kil`Jaden :: The Infernal wel first of all it is "kil' jaeden" and he is not a infernal -but i like the concept- just be more original about name and change the overused titan's grip icon on first skill pl0x

03-22-2010, 06:28 PM	#14
IAmTheSpoon Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Bydgoszcz, Poland Posts: 1,113	Re: [STR-Scourge]Kil`Jaden :: The Infernal While the name isn't too original, I deem the skills to be quite creative. Unfortunately, all-round, they don't seem to make an interesting hero in total. Seems a right-click hero. There is neither an initiation skill nor any skill that would attract greater attention to him. So sorry, T-down. Good try though. __________________ [B] [B]My Slark Guide

03-22-2010, 06:56 PM	#15
ResQ Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 4,567 Blog Entries: 2	Re: [STR-Scourge]Kil`Jaden :: The Infernal Change the way you present your suggestion, firstly. Fix typos, like "´" in the name and fix the name aswell. (google around you'll find the real name, you should put more effort in a hero suggestion) Didn't even took a look at the skils. It's just unorganized like hell, you should try to learn from other suggestions.

03-27-2010, 02:18 PM	#16
Serafell Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 101	Re: [STR-Scourge]Kil'jaeden :: The Infernal I`ve reorganised skills, made some tables, and removed placeholders for skills 1, and 2. I hope that it`s possible to read it now. __________________

04-12-2010, 07:51 PM	#19
googleson78 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Right Behind You Posts: 1,804 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [STR-Scourge]Kil'jaeden :: The Infernal Too bad a) your grammar is bad b) according to your description of 3rd skill it shoudn't trigger of mordiggian as it only says units c) even if it did trigger off any dmg it still woudn't since armlet is DEGEN __________________ WORST genre in HEDM Credits go to Raxet.

04-13-2010, 08:55 AM	#20
NoThlnG Forum Staff Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Nowhere Posts: 14,371 Blog Entries: 8	Re: [STR-Scourge]Kil'jaeden :: The Infernal Try to use this as template so this suggestion won't hurt anyone's eyes http://www.playdota.com/forums/48863...e-official-pd/ And, please change the name. Kil'jaedan simply doesn't fit as Infernal's name. For model, just tint it to red like this __________________ Assassin's Creed Helpful Links Suggestions Epic Quotes . Credits to Lotus V Eater . . How to Get Your Suggestion Implemented Custom Model GIF Request Suggestion Assisstor's Thread Guides, Lists and Templates How to Become a Moderator . . Suggestion Portfolio My Ability Collections .