[STR-NEU] Loner the Bystander

[kanzakill]

Changelog

March 10
Added Mercy Killing's description (thanks to Lawtonfogle)
Nerfed Mercy Killing (thanks to lozarian)
March 28
Fixed 2nd skill (thanks to FallinDevast)
Added and fixed lots of descriptions (thanks to FallinDevast)
March 29
Added 3rd skill's description (thanks to FallinDevast)
May 2
Lowered base damage
Added description to 3rd skill (thanks to cepheids)
Added description to 1st skill (thanks to Padsoldier)
3rd skill no longer affects buildings

Loner
Bystander

He's Loner the bystander
Not a soldier nor fighter
Not the stronger nor weaker
Not a thunder nor flower

Strength - 17 + [2]
Agility - 17 + [2]
Intelligence - 22 + [3]

Affiliation:	Neutral
Damage:	30-50
Armor:	2
Movespeed:	305
Starting HP/MP:	473/286
Attack Range:	100 (melee)

Peace Treaty - (Active)

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A double-edged treaty. Affected unit gets both the privilege and the condition.

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	Mana	Cooldown	C. Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	120	20	600	N/A	5	A unit gets +75 bonus damage. If that unit damages units that hasn't damaged it since the start of the duration, that unit'll suffer damage equal to 125% of the damage it caused.
2	130	20	600	N/A	10	A unit gets +100 bonus damage. If that unit damages units that hasn't damaged it since the start of the duration, that unit'll suffer damage equal to 150% of the damage it caused.
3	140	20	600	N/A	15	A unit gets +125 bonus damage. If that unit damages units that hasn't damaged it since the start of the duration, that unit'll suffer damage equal to 175% of the damage it caused.
4	150	20	600	N/A	20	A unit gets +150 bonus damage. If that unit damages units that hasn't damaged it since the start of the duration, that unit'll suffer damage equal to 200% of the damage it caused.

Notes:

• Can be cast on any unit
  If an affected unit attacks a building, that unit will receive the penalty damage since buildings aren't even units to begin with

Demilitarized Zone - (Active)

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Prevents units in an area from attacking/being attacked and gives health aid to allies.

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	Mana	Cooldown	C. Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	120	30	600	250	6	Prevents units in AoE from attacking/being attacked and gives +5 hp regeneration to allies.
2	140	26	600	275	8	Prevents units in AoE from attacking/being attacked and gives +10 hp regeneration to allies.
3	160	22	600	300	10	Prevents units in AoE from attacking/being attacked and gives +15 hp regeneration to allies.
4	180	18	600	325	12	Prevents units in AoE from attacking/being attacked and gives +20 hp regeneration to allies.

Notes:

• Units include both enemies and allies

Sub-skill: Aggression

Stops the duration of Peace Treaty (if clicked on any unit) and Demilitarized Zone (if clicked on ground)

Neutralization - (Passive)

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Loner is neutral, so it's wrong to just attack him.

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	Mana	Cooldown	C. Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	N/A	10	N/A	N/A	N/A	A unit can't attack Loner unless it has been damaged by him recently.
2	N/A	8	N/A	N/A	N/A	A unit can't attack Loner unless it has been damaged by him recently.
3	N/A	6	N/A	N/A	N/A	A unit can't attack Loner unless it has been damaged by him recently.
4	N/A	4	N/A	N/A	N/A	A unit can't attack Loner unless it has been damaged by him recently.

Notes:

• The cooldown means the time needed to prevent the damaged unit/building from attacking Loner.
  Cooldown is dynamic for each damaged unit.
  Cooldown refreshes if Loner damages that unit/building again.

Mercy Killing - (Active)

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Kills a unit without making it suffer.

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	Mana	Cooldown	C. Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	200	80	100	N/A	6	Kill a unit. That unit won't lose gold. Gold and experience won't be rewarded. Killed unit will respawn after a short while.
2	250	70	100	N/A	8	Kill a unit. That unit won't lose gold. Gold and experience won't be rewarded. Killed unit will respawn after a short while.
3	300	60	100	N/A	10	Kill a unit. That unit won't lose gold. Gold and experience won't be rewarded. Killed unit will respawn after a short while.

Notes:

• The duration is the respawn time
  Can kill both enemies and allies
  Killed unit will respawn at its base
  Aghanim's Scepter decreases cooldown to 50

[The Performer]

wow, what a gay concept, loved it!

Demilitarized Zone duration is a bit op imo, should be lowered.

[lozarian]

.. Your ultimate should read "remove target hero from the game for 75% of the time. Get a refresher and it reads "win every teamfight twice lol"

Apart from that I like it.

[Lawtonfogle]

Perhaps have Mercy Killing have two effects.

Can only be cast on an enemy hero or an ally who is deniable.
If you cast on the ally, you deny them and the enemy gets no gp/exp, while the hero loses not gp/exp and respawns in less time (I say about 70%, but not sure).

If cast on an enemy below 5/10/15% of their hp, they are killed, and you get exp, but you get no gold, and they lose no gold from the death. They respawn in normal time.

[kanzakill]

Originally Posted by The Performer

Demilitarized Zone duration is a bit op imo, should be lowered.

Could I ask which part of it should be lowered? Thanks.

Originally Posted by lozarian

.. Your ultimate should read "remove target hero from the game for 75% of the time. Get a refresher and it reads "win every teamfight twice lol"

You have a point there. Actually when I posted this last night I also thought about that case. Now to the tweaking.

Originally Posted by Lawtonfogle

Perhaps have Mercy Killing have two effects.

A bystander should be impartial.

If cast on an enemy below 5/10/15% of their hp, they are killed, and you get exp, but you get no gold, and they lose no gold from the death. They respawn in normal time.

Hm, forgot the issue with losing gold. Thanks.

[FallinDevast]

Hm, bystander isn't appealing you might wanna call him the pacifist instead. I'm reviewing this hero coz I find him quite unique. The model is meh, it could work but the emissary model seems fit for the job.

1st Skill - a strong version of return, pretty useful against chasing dpsers but you'll also discourage them from attacking they might just run instead foiling a possible gank. When cast on self, it's a pretty rewarding skill but it is still a double-edged sword. You might wanna include a 'taunt' like skill to optimize this ability.

2nd Skill - pretty nifty, but why would you wan't to heal your enemies?

Subskill - how bout adding an extra effect, like making the affected enemies attack a unit next to them? This way, your first skill is put to good use.

3rd Skill - anti-synergistic to your first but the concept is fine, this skill just destroys the possibility of you tanking.

Ultimate - ahh, euthanasia, I never imagined that someone will make a skill out of this. Sadly, this skill is similar to OD's banish unless the target respawns at its respective base which in some cases a good thing.

Impression: seems to look like a mesh of pretty cool skill concepts but it doesn't quite work.

[kanzakill]

Originally Posted by FallinDevast

2nd Skill - pretty nifty, but why would you wan't to heal your enemies?

There's a typo but I understand what you mean. Why did I do that?

Subskill - how bout adding an extra effect, like making the affected enemies attack a unit next to them? This way, your first skill is put to good use.

It has neither manacost nor cooldown.

3rd Skill - anti-synergistic to your first but the concept is fine, this skill just destroys the possibility of you tanking.

A Battlefury will help Damn I used the wrong word, should have used "damaged" instead of "attacked".

Ultimate - ahh, euthanasia, I never imagined that someone will make a skill out of this. Sadly, this skill is similar to OD's banish unless the target respawns at its respective base which in some cases a good thing.

Of course maybe I will add it for easier understanding.

The changes have been made. Thanks.

[FallinDevast]

A unit/building can't attack Loner unless it has been damaged by him recently.

Hm, I need clarity on this one. I have a suggestion but I need to understand the skill first. =)

There's lots of possible crazy good stuff to do with this hero

[kanzakill]

Originally Posted by FallinDevast

Hm, I need clarity on this one. I have a suggestion but I need to understand the skill first. =)

There's lots of possible crazy good stuff to do with this hero

It means a unit can attack Loner only if it has been damaged by him.
These are the ways to damage a unit:
+ Normal attack
+ Splash damage (from Battlefury or Empower)
+ Magical damage (from Dagon)
Did I miss anything?

When Loner damages a unit, that unit will be able to attack him in 10/8/6/4 seconds. Then it won't be able to attack him anymore unless he damages it again.

Added description. Thanks.

[pixelrate]

Too weird.

[SpiderPig]

nice hero , it`s like barathrum from campain , the blue one , i like this idea but neutralisation afects spels 2?

[kanzakill]

Originally Posted by Znu55

nice hero , it`s like barathrum from campain , the blue one , i like this idea but neutralisation afects spels 2?

?
No.

[cepheids]

Neutralization is totally imbalanced. This hero can ONLY have 1 enemy at any point in time.

He can hit a tower without getting hit by creep. He can hit creep without getting hit by the tower. He can rax without getting hit by enemy heros. The entire concept is screwed.

Change it to a damage reduction please.

Level 1: 12% damage reduction from damage sources that the Loner has not hit.
Level 2: 18% damage reduction from damage sources that the Loner has not hit.
Level 3: 24% damage reduction from damage sources that the Loner has not hit.
Level 4: 30% damage reduction from damage sources that the Loner has not hit.

[barnii]

The way i understand the ultimate, you can run from your end of the base to the enemy's base without getting hurt, except for towers if they're not included to the list of units which can't attack you.

I also see that you can annoy players with this (5 enemy heroes killing Roshan. You enter the scene. Enemies can't attack you. You wait for the right moment. Roshan's HP drops to red. You move in and-boom-ninja loot.)

[JD_]

2nd skill - 20 HP Regen?? You'd better reduce that

3rd skill - Its a very nice skill but have you asked Snow if this is codeable?

Ulti - I'm not so very sure about this.....T-Null on this skill

The Rest:
The bystander seems like a weird name, there are lots of other stuff that can portray a neutral hero, like Peacekeeper or what not
The model is weird too, even though concept > numbers and pictures, that picture is ugly

[kanzakill]

Originally Posted by cepheids

Neutralization is totally imbalanced. This hero can ONLY have 1 enemy at any point in time.

Wrong. How about buying battlefury or just simply hitting multiple enemies?

He can hit a tower without getting hit by creep.

And he still gets hit by the tower.

He can hit creep without getting hit by the tower.

I don't see any problem with this.

He can rax without getting hit by enemy heros.

Only if the enemy heroes don't have any skill to nuke him.

Originally Posted by barnii

The way i understand the ultimate, you can run from your end of the base to the enemy's base without getting hurt, except for towers if they're not included to the list of units which can't attack you.

Only possible if enemy casters don't want to nuke you to death.

I also see that you can annoy players with this (5 enemy heroes killing Roshan. You enter the scene. Enemies can't attack you. You wait for the right moment. Roshan's HP drops to red. You move in and-boom-ninja loot.)

If they don't stop when they see you enter the scene, they deserve it. Just like the way you use ward to prevent heroes with invisibility from stealing Aegis.

Originally Posted by JD_

2nd skill - 20 HP Regen?? You'd better reduce that

180 mana for a 480 non-instant heal. I don't see any problem with that.

The bystander seems like a weird name, there are lots of other stuff that can portray a neutral hero, like Peacekeeper or what not

He doesn't keep peace. He manipulates it.

The model is weird too, even though concept > numbers and pictures, that picture is ugly

You haven't seen the peasant model in action, have you? FALCON PUNCH!
The 3d head icon is really ugly though.

[Sigmalol]

Lol i imagine this in a game of PDGG, so much trolling and flaming would go over this. I would play him all day. Just lane with some noobs and run right in front of their face so they dont farm, and say bye at lvl 6.

[Tiche3]

When i was reading this hero suggestion i was imagining play stile and situations.

IMO this hero is balanced for dota already so stop screwing with this hero being imbalaced.

i give a T-Up

[Padsoldier]

Third skill is OP, stronger than Shallow Grave, you can backdoor a base alone, while nobody can attack you except that tower that you are attacking... I know you are still targetable by spells, but a Linken + HoD would make the game end in about 3-4 mins. Make it like a Linken effect + an active attack prevention effect.
But the entire hero is good idea, nerf the numbers a bit

[Hikatsu Nia]

you have a pretty good concept.
the first skill is great and the second can stop ganks in seconds.
but aw, the third skill can make you invulnurable to damage. hehehe.
still you have a good hero. T-Null for now