Originally Posted by Yendor
1. for nearly the same price of eaglehorn, you gain one
, which is a complete manta style (without the two recipes) which gives WAY more benefits.
even the flaw of using more space is minimal, as you may simply upgreade it.
2. what do you mean wit : you gain as every level?
ofcourse every hero gains agi per level (which results in as) I know... what has this to do with ANYTHING?
3. where is the flaw in my logic?
mantastyle without recipes ~ 3500 gold = 26 agi and 10 all other stats
eaglehorn = 3300 gold = 25 agi...
4. I KNOW THAT AT-SPEED is important lategame...
BUT that doesent have to say, that 25 % have to cost 3300 gold (if you all want to ONLY concentrate on at-speed)
and if you say that it provides some bonus armor also:
hyperstone + chainmail = 2650 gold = 55% at-speed + 5 armor
5. please don't treat me like an idiot.
i know that at-speed is important, and i know, that eaglehorn is a strong item, but i dont think that it is worth 3300 gold...
especially if you consider that it has only one upgreade possibillity...
If Eaglehorn can only be upgraded into a BFLY, then suggest a remake of other items, not make it cheaper.
1st: Yes it does give armor, AS, damage etc, but the fact that agi carries benefit so much from this is what makes it expensive. If this was cheaper and easily affordable, Agi carries would be praising your name. Thank you yendor! Though the price difference doesn't make much of a difference. If it was like 2,900 G good luck.
2nd: Your proposed( BUFF) doesn't affect much on the item considering you only reduced 300 G, which IMO is unnecessary. If you want you could also decrease reaver to 3000 no one would mind.
3rd: Agility heroes have dps, as and armor already in itself. Their agi gain is quite decent although some don't have decent stat gains. Imagine Troll- He already has massive dps and as, and making eaglehorn cheaper will make him what?? Or lets say void- insane dps and decent agility, making eaglehorn cheaper would make him??? the guy that doesn't let you move???
Well not that i am treating you like an idiot, but as already said by Gheizen64 and Sgt. Failure
"Yes it is, you don't count items values on their own, and you can't compare them. As Eaglehorn is only used to butterfly, lowering its price by even 300 would increase the chance that carries will get this first, giving them a boost. If we get an upgrade we will discuss the price!"
"OMG PHASE BOOTS COST ONLY 1500 AND GIVE +24 DAMAGE. ARE YOU MAD? MITHRIL HAMMER COST 1600 AND DON'T GIVE MOVEMENT SPEED NEITHER PHASE ABILITY!"
"Morale: You can't compare recipe item with components. You want to embarass yourself more or you stop here?"
Butterfly is indeed the strongest late game item for dpsers. If 25% is not enough to perma bash like troll or void, i don't know what does
Does manta give evasion? Does it give as much IAS, agility, damage.
Well it does give more armor, str and int i can tell you that, but is Bfly< manta?
That's what makes eaglehorn expensive even though it only gives agility- it is a component that leads to Butterfly and that +25 agility is not something to be cool about, it is very destructive.
If you want to upgrade it, don't change the price, if you want you could tweak the agi it gives to the bearer.
Would i buy a manta or bfly? Would i buy 1 eaglehorn or an ulti orb, BoA and BoE??
Gives: 26 agility! 10 str and 10 int and can become manta style
-250 would be an eaglehorn with a difference of 1 agi point.
Gives 25 but can become butterfly!!!
3 slots for 1.
Actually you have a point there, the fact that these 3 components that cost 250 more for +10 str, + 1 agi and + 10 int while eaglehorn is 3300 for just 25 agility, but still it doesn't get you a butterfly
The end result is the most important.
Well, i might just give you a t-up for wanting to change eaglehorn, but i don't agree with pricing, maybe benefits. If there's no other way to do it, i'll have to give in.
Pro's of Manta
- Manta gives clones, decent stats and more armor.
- a lot of components
Pro's of Butterfly
-Evasion, Attack speed, and damage.
Con's: Agility upgrade to 5 only
Also, put some pro's and cons.