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Old 03-14-2010, 05:18 PM   #1
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Default [TWEAK] Pounce and Shadow Dance


Intro:
Vote on concept, and not on numbers, they can be easily fixed if it proves to be imba.

Pounce:
Currently, after successfully casting this this skill and landing, Slark is stripped off of other commands, in effect, Slark is told to stop or something similar.

Suggestion:
Since I don't know exactly how Pounce works, I'll just give an example:
Base it on the same method as Spirit BearSyllabear's Summon Unit's "Return" skill. When you cast it, the Spirit Bear is placed near Sylla, and it then will resume whatever is was commanded before casting return.
Example, if it was attacking creeps when you casted return, the bear will be placed near Sylla, and then the bear will move back to that unit it was attacking before.

What will this remake do to Pounce:
When charging in:
-> You can issue an attack order to a target, then cast Pounce. If it hits, Slark attacks the target, if you miss, Slark will continue to chase the unit (and attack it if he nears it).

When escaping:
-> You click on a location, then cast Pounce, after landing, Slark will continue to move to the target point.

In short: You no longer lose your attack/location target after Pounce.

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What will this remake take away from Pounce:
When charging in:
You issue an attack order to a target, after landing, Slark will target something else, probably creeps.

When escaping:
You issue Slark to move to a point, then cast Pounce, after landing:
A) No enemies nearby
-> Slark will stop.
B) Enemies nearby
-> Slark will attack nearby enemies, probably creeps/summons first.

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Shadow Dance:
This situation is present when you are not revealed during the active phase of this skill (ex: they have true sight, you are revealed, this won't happen).

Current:
Right click on the target hero, then cast Shadow Dance:
When Slark nears the target hero, it will (again) prioritize attacking something else (probably creeps) if there are some nearby. In other words, Slark will only get close to the target, then select a different target.

Suggestion:
Recode the skill into something like this (check the testmap and see):
Shadow Dance Recode.w3x

Remember: Vote on concept, and not on numbers.
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Old 03-14-2010, 05:27 PM   #2
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Default Re: [TWEAK] Pounce and Shadow Dance

There is no need to make a thread this long for some mechanics changes. Yes, they are needed and logical, so T-up, but still...
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Old 03-14-2010, 05:28 PM   #3
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Default Re: [TWEAK] Pounce and Shadow Dance

^ Because I can't make sense of anything better without making it long.
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Old 03-14-2010, 06:52 PM   #4
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Default Re: [TWEAK] Pounce and Shadow Dance

T-UP

Easy fix that will improve gameplay.
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Old 03-14-2010, 08:38 PM   #5
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Default Re: [TWEAK] Pounce and Shadow Dance

T up this makes sense with what his spells do
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Old 03-14-2010, 08:57 PM   #6
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Default Re: [TWEAK] Pounce and Shadow Dance

If this can feasibly be implemented without affecting the skills themselves, sure. However, if this is not an easy fix (I.E. requires the skills to work differently), I'd rather keep the current ones. Proper control of your hero solves these "problems" after all.
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Old 03-14-2010, 09:17 PM   #7
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t-up.
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Old 03-14-2010, 09:33 PM   #8
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Default Re: [TWEAK] Pounce and Shadow Dance

^
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Probably didn't check the example, or the testmap.
Anyways, edited a bit...

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Proper control of your hero solves these "problems" after all.
Which in the op ever stated any "problem"?
And yes, we care.
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Old 03-18-2010, 01:45 PM   #9
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Default Re: [TWEAK] Pounce and Shadow Dance

T-up, makes it easier to survive and more practical.
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Old 03-18-2010, 05:04 PM   #10
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A lot of heroes need this change, especially those with bad casting animation (where they lost their target after casting a spell, eg. Lina)
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Old 03-22-2010, 12:07 PM   #11
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Default Re: [TWEAK] Pounce and Shadow Dance

guys, i think i mentioned that about storm at some point,
and iceforg said that it cant really be changed cause it
has something to do with the game mechanics of wc3...
hope i could help, sorry to disappoint you

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Old 03-22-2010, 12:31 PM   #12
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What is "about storm"?
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Old 04-12-2010, 07:35 PM   #13
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yeah 2 bigs problems on slark , very annoying when casting ult and it starts wasting its time on creeps :/
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Old 04-12-2010, 10:41 PM   #14
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T-UP; I like this.

It would also be nice to add this to heroes like Ursa maybe
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Old 04-13-2010, 02:23 AM   #15
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Old 04-17-2010, 11:00 PM   #16
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OMG yes T-Up
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Old 07-30-2010, 07:26 AM   #17
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Default Re: [TWEAK] Pounce and Shadow Dance

Hehe. Sorry Dynes for suggesting the same thing. But great minds thinks alike, right?

Anyway, this fix is needed. It's so annoying to lose attack focus.

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Old 07-30-2010, 10:43 AM   #18
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Lol sure.
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Old 08-02-2010, 09:57 AM   #19
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Instant T-up!

This needs a fix!
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Old 08-02-2010, 09:58 AM   #20
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Old 08-02-2010, 10:01 AM   #21
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Default Re: [TWEAK] Pounce and Shadow Dance

Reminds me of N'aix's "Wounds".

T-up ofc.
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Old 08-24-2010, 08:40 PM   #22
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Old 09-15-2010, 07:30 PM   #23
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Default Re: [TWEAK] Pounce and Shadow Dance

Again, simple way to improve things.

For me, those examples don't disturb so much, but it is a great advance.
Like N'aix about his "Open Wounds" ability, changed recently.
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