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Old 03-16-2010, 05:51 PM   #1
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Default [Skill] Laguna Blade


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Laguna Blade


Fires off a bolt of lightning at a single target, dealing critical damage.

Damage : 450/675/950
Manacost : 280/420/680
CD : 150/90/55



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Laguna Blade


Fires off a bolt of lightning at a single target, damage and purge the target.

Damage : 250/350/450 (pure damage like Tinker's Laser)
Purge duration : 2/3/4
Manacost : I don't care
CD : 30

Aghanim effect: 50% chance to reduce the CD of the spell she is casting by half.
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Old 03-16-2010, 07:21 PM   #2
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Default Re: [Skill] Laguna Blade

aghanim effect is uncodable tho
and ulti is imba
30 sec cd 600 dmg nuke with silence and purge ^^
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Old 03-16-2010, 07:26 PM   #3
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Default Re: [Skill] Laguna Blade

Justify this change, please. 30 sec cd purge would make Lina an unbelievable hardcounter to Brood and Sven.
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Old 03-16-2010, 07:32 PM   #4
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Default Re: [Skill] Laguna Blade

mana cost still same??
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Old 03-16-2010, 09:21 PM   #5
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Default Re: [Skill] Laguna Blade

A 5 second long silence and purge with 600 damage to sit on top? On 30 seconds cooldown? Its good enough as a nuke! Atleast I think so.

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^ I would like to know that aswell.
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Old 03-17-2010, 02:30 AM   #6
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Default Re: [Skill] Laguna Blade

Actually, if the bonus damage was removed from Aghs, and this purge/silence effect added instead, it would be quite good to see, and a nice way to differentiate it from being a slightly more powerful Finger.

Td the actual skill changes though.
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Old 03-17-2010, 03:00 AM   #7
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Default Re: [Skill] Laguna Blade

This needs some more thought and justification. I don't really see a reason why this should be changed other than differentiation from Finger.
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Old 03-17-2010, 03:37 AM   #8
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Default Re: [Skill] Laguna Blade

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This needs some more thought and justification. I don't really see a reason why this should be changed other than differentiation from Finger.
Lina could use another disable to increase her popularity among competitive players.

Moreover, the concept is interesting. Lighting + Purge goes really well, logically. Silence doesn't seem to fit.

Plain burst damage is boring.
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Old 03-17-2010, 11:38 AM   #9
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Default Re: [Skill] Laguna Blade

This has potential and yes the aghanim can be coded
Basically, you created 6 spells (2 each level right?)
Everytime Lina cast ulti the game will detect whether she has aghanim or not
If she does roll dice 0-1, 0 remove skill, and add skill (0 to long cooldown, 1 to short cooldown)
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Old 03-17-2010, 12:02 PM   #10
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Beside make it diff from finger, I would like to give Lina 1 more disable other than plain nuke.

LSA is hard to land b'coz her shitty casting animation, and it only stun for 1.6 sec (worse than Sven Storm Bolt). This disable is quite unreliable, and I'm thinking it should has longer casting range (800 casting range)

The aghanim effect is try to make Lina scale better toward late game, and a indirect buff to Fiery Soul. (I do make maps, I know it's codable or not)

I've change the Laguna Blade damage type.
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Old 03-17-2010, 01:37 PM   #11
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Default Re: [Skill] Laguna Blade

Changing the damage to pure is a terrible idea. I also don't see the need for a random cooldown.

What I like about the remake is the incentive to initiate with Laguna.
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Old 04-13-2010, 10:21 PM   #12
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Default Re: [Skill] Laguna Blade

i hoped that it'll be some kind of Laguna Blade from slayers suggestion ,but this way >.>...naah
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Old 04-14-2010, 03:25 AM   #13
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Default Re: [Skill] Laguna Blade

I actually like the overall concept, of Laguna doing Pure damage. The purge effect sounds cool too, but my personal opinion would be to add it as the Aghanim's Upgrade instead.

T-Up for the concept.

In terms of respecting the actual anime Lina came from, the Laguna Blade in the anime is supposed to be some Void element, so Pure damage and Purge sounds right on the spot. In terms of gameplay, this makes her Ulti noticeably different from Lion's and more "disables" = more "profit". Numbers can be tweaked, so I won't comment on that.
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Old 04-24-2010, 08:27 AM   #14
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Default Re: [Skill] Laguna Blade

T-Up definitely, but keep in mind Purging is like electricity and Lina is a Pyromancer, and you can't hook those two up unless its Avatar (the Last Airbender)
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Old 04-24-2010, 09:26 AM   #15
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Default Re: [Skill] Laguna Blade

I like the concept because lion and lina have similar ultimates but lion is an overused hero while lina is not. Lina will gank better with this pure damage purging low cd ult. But I think that aghanim should increase damage not the cooldown rate. And what about damage to summoned units? I think it should be about 200/300/400.
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Old 04-25-2010, 11:41 AM   #16
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Default Re: [Skill] Laguna Blade

What about increasing purge rate, and make it Pure damage for aghanim, so its not pure before aghanim?
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Old 04-25-2010, 11:51 AM   #17
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Default Re: [Skill] Laguna Blade

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T-Up definitely, but keep in mind Purging is like electricity and Lina is a Pyromancer, and you can't hook those two up unless its Avatar (the Last Airbender)
Lina is NOT a Pyromancer

Most of her spells came from Shamanism
Some are Black-, and two are White-Magic


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Pure dmg fits the Black Magic-theme of the Anime counterpart
And Purge fits the "get rid of all evil in the world"-theme
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Old 04-25-2010, 11:55 AM   #18
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Default Re: [Skill] Laguna Blade

Maybe make the purge effect as Agha upgrade...

Also, increase the cd to 100/80/60 and increase the damage as well (300/500/700)
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Old 04-29-2010, 02:47 PM   #19
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Default Re: [Skill] Laguna Blade

but why does the hero info says " A pyromancer?"

And I personally don't really looking forward to a remake of Lina's Laguna. Cause I'm still keepin' up a game of killsteal tug of war with a close friend of mine who likes to use... Lion ._.
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Old 04-30-2010, 03:41 AM   #20
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Default Re: [Skill] Laguna Blade

Make it pure after she gets agh, and make purge duration 1/1.5/2 then T-up
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