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Old 03-22-2010, 10:02 AM   #1
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Default Batrider item build


what is the best item build for him?
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:07 AM   #2
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For me,
1. Boot of Travel
2. Vanguard
3. Heart of Tarrasque
4. Guinsoo's Scythe of Vyse
5. Force Staff
6. Shiva's Guard/Kelen's Dagger

Tanker-type Batrider. Of course this is not the only build. You can try other.
Hope I can help you.
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:18 AM   #3
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Same as Els Croxist, only I prefer Hood of Defiance over Vanguard.
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Old 03-22-2010, 11:06 AM   #4
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Stick=>Phase boots (bottle situational)=>Survivability item (Hood of Defiance or/and Vanguard, depending on the enemy lineup)=>Dagger=>Shiva=>Pipe (Pipe can and must be gotten earlier if you face heavy AOE).

If your early game is going really, really well, get a fast Radiance/Guinsoo, they will do wonders.
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Old 03-22-2010, 11:16 AM   #5
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Default Re: Batrider item build

hp, force, hp/damage

boots of travel situational. shivas if you got fat.
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Old 03-22-2010, 11:18 AM   #6
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Default Re: Batrider item build

1. BoT
2. Hood->pipe if game goes on
3. Vanguard
4. rad/guinsoo
5. HoT/dagger
6. meka/dagger

i usually have the tanker build coz everyone's gonna focus fire him when he fireflies..and rad for additional damage..but guinsoo will also for work if you need additional disable..

i always start with stout+salve+tango+3gg branch..then build hood then buy boots then proceed van after that travel or dagger and then everything else is a luxury..

(edit: add shivas too or anything you want as long as it is reasonable depends on the situation..)
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Old 03-22-2010, 11:36 AM   #7
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Magic Wand + Void Stone + Int Treads + Dagger + Hood
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Old 03-22-2010, 11:41 AM   #8
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Default Re: Batrider item build

I wonder why no one buys bloodstone or hex as a first main item for it as it provides lots of mana and mana regen which bat needs. Why do people go for tank build for a hero that already has high str gain and high armor? Funnily enough, i go for vanguard on him too. Int tread, Ring of basilius, Vanguard, blink dagger, shivas.
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I wonder why no one buys bloodstone or hex as a first main item for it as it provides lots of mana and mana regen which bat needs. Why do people go for tank build for a hero that already has high str gain and high armor? Funnily enough, i go for vanguard on him too. Int tread, Ring of basilius, Vanguard, blink dagger, shivas.
he does not need additional mana item cause his mana is enough for his skills..
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Old 03-22-2010, 12:08 PM   #10
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But with the exception of skill 1, all of his skills are pretty mana consuming.
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Old 03-22-2010, 12:13 PM   #11
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all you need is skill one three and ult dont get the second..+skill wise consumption will work..
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Old 03-22-2010, 12:14 PM   #12
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Well. I get Radiance for him. If the game goes on for 65+ minutes
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Old 03-22-2010, 12:25 PM   #13
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Well. I get Radiance for him. If the game goes on for 65+ minutes
Radiance is only good if you farm it when your opponents are still at low/mid levels.
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Old 03-22-2010, 12:27 PM   #14
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radiance is only good if ur playing patch where it triggers napalm.
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radiance is only good if ur playing patch where it triggers napalm.
Nah, even now Batrider is a potent Radiance carrier.
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Old 03-22-2010, 01:08 PM   #16
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Default Re: Batrider item build

Somehow I notice that this guy never comes back to his threads.

Ontopic: 2 Bracers / Ghost Scepter / Boots / Bottle / Null Talisman
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Old 03-22-2010, 01:08 PM   #17
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1.bot or tread .. depends on the situation..
2.hod+vangard. or mb pipe
3.shiva
4. more gold for buy out.
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Old 03-22-2010, 01:13 PM   #18
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Default Re: Batrider item build

Treads are by far the worst boots on Batrider. BoT are quite good, but Phase boots give you an edge during the laning phase, and the extra farm BoT grants you is a bit wasted.

Dagger is a must have.
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Old 03-22-2010, 01:22 PM   #19
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Default Re: Batrider item build

dagger isnt so great, you can use firefly to initiate by scaling cliffs. forcestaff is necessary though cuz it allows you to drag the lasso'd guy.

treads are okay since bat isn't a carry but he needs attack speed.
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Old 03-22-2010, 01:30 PM   #20
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Dagger is key for wasting none of Firefly's duration.
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Old 03-22-2010, 01:34 PM   #21
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1: Boots (the different kinds are situational. If the additional str/int from treads is needed, I get those. Normally i get phaseboots.)
2: Vanguard (the order of no. 2 and 3 is also situational. No natural counters = no. 3 first)
3: Euls (cyclone and extra ms fuck yeah)
4: Vyse
5: HoT
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Old 03-22-2010, 01:37 PM   #22
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dagger isnt so great, you can use firefly to initiate by scaling cliffs. forcestaff is necessary though cuz it allows you to drag the lasso'd guy.

treads are okay since bat isn't a carry but he needs attack speed.
Bat doesn't need attack speed AT ALL. Napalm spamming is anti-synergistic with IAS. Dagger is a must have because it gives you an edge over blinkers/disablers/escape mechs (i.e 75% of the heroes) and it allows you to disable instantly a threat in teamfights.
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Old 03-22-2010, 01:40 PM   #23
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Default Re: Batrider item build

Who says bat doesn;t need attck speed? unlike enigma, bat can attack while he is ultying so any attack speed is welcome. Since you have blink, phase boot isn;t that important. I would rather have int tread for the IAS and mana. However, i do agree that dagger is important on Batrider for a great placement of your ulti.
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Old 03-22-2010, 01:50 PM   #24
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i kind of figure if i can make it alive for whatever i get the firefly to hit them they're probably running already.

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Bat doesn't need attack speed AT ALL. Napalm spamming is anti-synergistic with IAS. Dagger is a must have because it gives you an edge over blinkers/disablers/escape mechs (i.e 75% of the heroes) and it allows you to disable instantly a threat in teamfights.
im not saying you should forget napalm and go right click. having some attack speed is going to help a lot when ur chasing someone cuz else it takes like a whole second to throw the projectile.

i dont think it's bat's role at all to do shit to blinkers. if you need to gank one you get your team to stun him first. in battles you'll be targeting the most dangerous enemy and blinkers are usualy lower on the list.
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Old 03-22-2010, 02:51 PM   #25
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ganker = 2 bracer , BoT , dagger/force(get both for better ganking) shivas

carry = PT , Maelstorm(no need to upgrade Mjollnir) linken , radiance ......

this is IMO ... no need to say im false or what ..
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Dagger is key for wasting none of Firefly's duration.
who said you need the whole duration to finish the enemy??i mean what are teammates for?? it already deals high damage..
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Dagger on Batrider=Dagger/Lothar on Meepo. You may do fine without, but against coordinated opponents, you need it.
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^ wut*another comp games based answer..
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Old 03-22-2010, 03:36 PM   #29
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you may do fine with it, but with coordinated team u wont need it.
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Old 03-22-2010, 06:42 PM   #31
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I am pretty sure you should not be getting Shiva on this hero at all. It is like getting MoM on Slardar or Weaver.
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:43 PM   #32
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who said you need the whole duration to finish the enemy??i mean what are teammates for?? it already deals high damage..
This is the same logic used to deduce that Dagger is clearly not needed on SK, since you don't need the whole duration of Epicenter. I mean what are teammates for?
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Old 03-22-2010, 11:42 PM   #33
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^ thats just not true, i mean you get even a pulse more without dagger - in theory. in practice you just gonna get stunned and deal 0 damage. with bat its different since firefly aint channeling, and he needs some hp to survive it. i could draw another comparison, getting dagger on bat is like getting dagger on necro - you get better positioning for your spell but cant tank enough to warrant you can spam that spell as much as possible (sticky/firefly and deathpulse/aura)

dagger is nice, but i wouldnt get it without at least one cheap defensive item :/
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^Except dagger synergizes with his skills since he has a short range attack, 2 melee range spells, and another short cd spell the has to be combed with the other 2 melee range spells. He is also a ganking specialist and dagger is one hell of a good ganking item.

Although you can certainly delay dagger/force staff it should almost always be you second major item.

Your comparison of Necro and Bat is way off. Necro does not gank very well. He is a team fight hero. Batrider can team fight but he is much better as a ganker.
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Old 03-23-2010, 05:47 AM   #35
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BOT really makes a difference. And attack speed is not worth it on him. Probably want more survivability . Some attack speed would be good say if you went threads or get assault to support your team in those rare games. Other than that, no.
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Dagger is a must have.
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Old 03-23-2010, 06:43 AM   #37
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what is the best item build for him?
1. Magic Wand
2. Str Power Treads
3. Mekanisme
4. Blade Mail
5. Guinsoo
6. TP scroll
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Old 03-23-2010, 06:53 AM   #38
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Dagger is a must have ONLY if you're doing VERY well in early / mid game, and if you don't have an initiator on your team. Otherwise go vanguard / hood / STR threads (you need survival not MP).
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This is the same logic used to deduce that Dagger is clearly not needed on SK, since you don't need the whole duration of Epicenter. I mean what are teammates for?
it wouldn't be needed on sk if epicenter was a normal skill and burrowstrike an ultimate with 4 second stun.
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Old 03-23-2010, 01:21 PM   #40
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for me
blink
bkb
bot/euls/force staff

basically i play him like pudge. have allies stay at the side of a cliff
activate firefly, blink, avatar, drag him over the cliff to your allies
proceed to rape

but if you prefer to play him the normal way then use the normal build
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