[Agi-Neutral] Sen'jin, the Voodoo Hunter

[cc.jmk!]

Fast-pased ganker, based upon the "Blessing" concept; His ulti allows him to stack Blessings, which are used to empower other skills.

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Voodoo Hunter Sen'jin

Blessing CountVoodoo Frenzy (F) Dashing Slash (D)Glaive Throw (W)Glaive Throw (E)Blessing of the Loas (G)

Hovering over the different skills pops up their names.

Sen'jin is a really fast-pased, physical-damage based hero. All of his skills have some relatively common use, having one blink-like skill, a dual ranged attack, and a skill granting him extra IAS and stunning nearby enemies; but the magic is hidden on his ulti, Blessing of the Loas, which totally defines his playstyle. Blessing of the Loas grant Sen'jin Blessings each time it's casted, and not only each blessing grants him extra Damage, but using other skills while having Blessings empowers them, according to the number of Blessings possesed.


Former spiritual leader of the Darkspear Tribe and father of Vol'jin, Sen'jin supposedly died in a Murloc raid to the Echo Islands, the Darkspear's homeland. Far from true, Zen'nato, one of his assistants, has actually bottled his soul before his departure. Sen'jin eventually resurrected as a talented hunter yet his new body lacked the spiritual connection he previously had, obstructing his Voodoo summonings. Zen'nato told him that ten years have passed since his death and that Vol'jin now commands the Darkspear Tribe. Having heard of his son, Sen'jin has decided to use his newfound powers to go find him and his beloved people, going through everything and everyone who confronts him.

Strength Agility Intelligence 17 + [1.8] 24 + [2.7] 19 + [2.1]

Starting HP/MP: 473/247 Base Stats: 60 Stats Gain: 6.6 Primary Role: Ganker / Chaser

Affiliation:	Neutral		Attack Animation:	0.3 / 0.6
Damage:	45-52		Casting Animation:	0.2 / 0.125
Armor:	4		Base Attack Time:	1.6
Movespeed:	310		Missile Speed:	Instant
Attack Range:	125		Sight Range:	1800 / 1200

Testmap available HERE, aknowledments to NoThlng for making it

It may have minor flaws, ofc. Anyway, i don't think any of this would unable you to feel the hero's essence and maybe enjoy a little imagining him against other DotA heroes :P

EDIT: Testmap updated as for 20/12/10.

• Dashing Slash
• Glaive Throw
• Voodoo Frenzy
• Blessing of the Loas

Type: Active Targeting: Enemy Heroes Hotkey: D

Goes berserker and, after focusing strength, dashes forward slashing the target. Ministuns the target. If there are Blessings available when cast, decreases target's armor by (2 + Current Blessings).

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	Mana	Cooldown	C. Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	70	18 seconds	800	N/A	*7 seconds	x1.15 critical strike on hit.
2	70	14 seconds	800	N/A	*7 seconds	x1.35 critical strike on hit.
3	70	10 seconds	800	N/A	*7 seconds	x1.55 critical strike on hit.
4	70	6 seconds	800	N/A	*7 seconds	x1.75 critical strike on hit.

Notes:

Charges for 1.5 seconds before dashing; each blessing reduces this in 0.2 seconds (for a minimum of 0.3 seconds) Dashes to the target hero with 950 MS and 0 collision size; is incontrollable while dashing. Ministuns the target for 0.1 seconds upon hit. * Duration is for the Armor debuff. If applicable, it is placed before the attack. (Therefore increasing damage dealt) Removes one (1) Blessing, if any, after casting.

Type: Active Targeting: Ground-targeted Hotkey: W/E (E to level)

Furiosly throws a glaive that arcs while travelling to target location, damaging all enemies that it traspasses. If there are Blessings available when cast, each glaive flies faster and more straight. Gains two identical subskills.

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	Mana	Cooldown	Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	60	16 seconds	1200	100*	N/A	Deals 60 damage.
2	60	13 seconds	1200	100*	N/A	Deals 90 damage.
3	60	10 seconds	1200	100*	N/A	Deals 120 damage.
4	60	7 seconds	1200	100*	N/A	Deals 150 damage.

Notes:

Damage type: physical Each glaive has a 350/350 sight range, and move at 600 MS. If there are blessings available when casting, MS is increased by 100 for each blessing. Each glaive arcs 30º to the left or right. If there are blessings available when casting, this arc is reduced by 5º for each blessing. Removes one (1) Blessing, if any, after casting. * Glaives have 100 collision size for damaging units. If a target is hit by both glaives within 2 seconds, it recieves extra damage (As if hit by a third glaive) and is slowed by 60% for 4 seconds.

Type: Passive Targeting: None Hotkey: F

Sen'jin is possessed by the Loas, chasing his enemies with renewed energies each time he feels his Loas' presence (Passive toggles every time you cast a skill). If there are Blessings available upon being triggered, increases movement speed by (3*Current Blessings)% for the duration.

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	Mana	Cooldown	Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	7 seconds	Grants +12% IAS and 0 collision size.
2	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	7 seconds	Grants +18% IAS and 0 collision size.
3	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	7 seconds	Grants +24% IAS and 0 collision size.
4	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	7 seconds	Grants +30% IAS and 0 collision size.

Notes:

Duration for the MS effect is the same than from the IAS/reduced collision effect. Casting another skill before the duration has run out will NOT overlap the effect. Does not trigger with item skills. Lets you move through units.

Type: Active Targeting: Auto-targeted (self) Hotkey: G

Uses his innate voodoo powers to summon the Loas for his assistance, gaining Blessings, used to empower other skills, and giving Sen'jin +8 damage each. Grants max Blessing count whenever an enemy hero dies nearby.

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	Mana	Cooldown	Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	10	2 seconds	N/A	N/A	15 seconds	Gives 1 Blessing. Can hold up to 2 Blessings.
2	10	2 seconds	N/A	N/A	15 seconds	Gives 1 Blessing. Can hold up to 4 Blessings.
3	10	2 seconds	N/A	N/A	15 seconds	Gives 1 Blessing. Can hold up to 6 Blessings.

Notes:

Casting this ability does not interrupt orders Gains max Blessing count for enemy heroes that die nearby (900 AoE), or if Sen'jin kills them Blessings deplet individually, each one 15 seconds after being casted. If you cast the skill while having max blessings, the oldest one will be replaced. If you die all blessings will be removed Blessing count is shown just like Visage's Soul Assumption charges are marked -over the hero and in the skill panel-

Sen'jin is a hero based upon a key concept: BLESSINGS.

All of his skills are rather simple on it's own: First skill -Dashing Slash- is no more than a blink strike, that deals a critical strike upon landing the hit. The second skill -Glaive Throw- is slightly more fancy, but really nothing too complex. It's made up of two identical subskills; each subskill throws a glaive to target location, damaging everything it traspasses. Having two subskills, you can throw both glaives to different locations, or just throw one next to the other following a foe's escape route. The third skill -Voodoo Frenzy- is a passive buff that grants Sen'jin increased movement speed and some unobstructed vision each time he casts a skill, allowing him to easily chase down people. Finally, the ulti -Blessing of the Loas- gives you a total of Blessings, the max you can stack at each level; each Blessing gives Sen'jin +15 damage. This bonus damage is represented by ONE (1) Blessing. Depending on the level of the ulti, you can stack up to 2/4/6 Blessings, so you would actually get +30/60/90 damage. As a little subeffect, each time an enemy hero dies nearby (or you kill him), Sen'jin will too get the max number of Blessings he can stack, according to the ulti's level; so don't be afraid of using Blessings if you are sure to kill a hero with them.

After the quick view over all of the skills, the true magic of the herothou a definitely Forced Synergy, it's the one that defines the hero. comes when using the 3 basic skills while having Blessings stacked (Remember that ulti has a really low cooldown, so you can stack Blessings pretty easily). Casting a skill while having Blessings stacked adds an interesting, and potencially deadly extra effectDashing Slash = Armor debuff Glaive Throw = Slow debuff Voodoo Frenzy = Increased AS to the skill. The more Blessings you have at the moment of casting a skill, the more powerful would be the effect added. As a counterpart, each time you use an skill, you will lose ONE (1) Blessing per castSubskills from Glaive Throw consume one Blessing each., so you'd need to use your ulti from time to time to assure your Blessings to keep you damage up.

As a little note, being Voodoo Frenzy a passive skill, it does NOT consume Blessings.

• 06/07/10

  Hero was heavily reworked, so i'll consider it a new start :P

• 07/07/10

  Lowered STR and STR gain, and replaced Voodoo Frenzy's Blessing per kill for a HP regen & raw HP increase based on Agility. Increased Blessings damage from +10 to +12.

• 08/07/10
  
  
  1. Reduced base damage from 49-52 to 38-42, as for the buffed damage from Blessings.
  2. Increased Base armor by 2.
  3. Increased Glaive Throw's maim effect
  4. Increased Dashing Slash's damage from x0.75/1.0/1.25/1.5 critical damage to x1.0/1.4/1.8/2.2 critical damage.
  5. Glaive Throw slightly changed; it can now be casted twice within 1.5 seconds, each cast costing Sen'jin half of his total damage.
• 09/07/10

  Title changed from Head-hunter to Voodoo Hunter, to both match the model's name, and as it actually matches the skillset's theme.

• 10/07/10
  
  
  1. Replaced the "2 sec CD" system for two identical subskills; they now can both maim, but duration is halved for balance.
  2. Damage type changed to Physical.
• 12/07/10
  
  
  1. Reduced Blessings consumed for skills to 1 per cast, but increased ulti's CD from 2/1/0 to 3/2/1.
  2. Slightly changed Voodoo Strength; instead of giving HP and Regen, with added IAS for Blessings, it now only gives HP, with added IAS and Regen for Blessings.
• 25/07/10

  Testmap added under the Hero Introduction > Testmap tab. My greatest aknowledgement for NoThlnG for his good work!

• 26/07/10 - Did several tweakings based on my own experience with the testmap:
  
  
  1. Dashing Slash's MP cost rescaled from fixed 60 to 90/80/70/60 mana; range increased from 400/500/600/700 to a fixed 800; armor debuff duration increased to 6 seconds, and damage buffed from x1/1.4/1.8/2.2 crit to a fixed x2.5. In return, CD increased from 9/8/7/6 to 15/12/9/6.
  2. Glaive Throw's MP cost rescaled from 45/50/55/60 to 80/70/60/50; range increased from 700 to 1200, and slow's duration increased from 1.5 to 3.5 seconds. In return, cooldown increased from 10/9/8/7 to 22/17/12/7. Added 350/350 vision to glaives.
  3. Blessing of the Loas' CD reduced from 3/2/1 to 2/1/0.5, MP cost reduced from 10 to 5, and duration reduced from 30 to 20 seconds. Slightly buffed Agility gain, but removed the "max blessing on hero kill".
• 25/07/10

  Removed the casting time from Blessing of the Loas. It can now be casted while moving, attacking, etc. without cancelling orders (just like Enrage)

• 01/08/10
  
  
  1. Reduced early Dashing Slash damage; from a fixed x2.5 crit to x1.75/x2.2/x2.25/x2.5 crit.
  2. Reworked and slightly nerfed Glaives' slow; from 10*blessing, to a constant base of 20+5*blessing.
  3. Removed cooldown from Blessing of the Loas.
• 04/08/10
  
  
  1. Increased duration of Armor/Slow debuffs from Dashing Slash and Glaive Throw from 6/3.5 to 7/4, to allow slightly easier semi-perma effects.
  2. Blessing system reworked, and a complete remake from Voodoo Strength -renamed Voodoo Frenzy-, to allow for a longer CD Blessing of the Loas. Refer to this post for a complete changelog.
  3. Str Gain increased from 1.2 to 1.7, Int Gain reduced from 1.85 to 1.6.
• 06/08/10

  Casting Animation Time changed from 0.001/0 to 0.2/0.125 to fit the new ulti cooldown.

• 08/08/10

  Voodoo Frenzy's Blessing effect changed from a AoE knockback to a massive illusion creation. Creates 1 image per blessing (therefore, up to 6 images), each of them dealing 50% damage, recieving 200% damage, and lasting for 2.5 seconds. (they are mostly to cause confusion, and sooome slight burst damage; that's they "why" of such a short duration)

• 10/08/10

  Voodoo Frenzy's Blessing pretty much reworked. Damage reduction effect replaced with an AoE stun, and Illusions Blessing-Effect replaced with a Silence-per-Hit effect.

• 13/08/10

  Voodoo Frenzy AGAIN reworked! Passive again, grants unobstructed vision and IMS (& IAS with blessings) each time Sen'jin casts a skill. Ministun added again to Dashing Slash to give him a channelling-cancel tool, being Voodoo Frenzy's stun removed.

• 19/08/10

  Voodoo Frenzy's unobstructed vision replaced with a lower collision size effect.

• 31/08/10

  Increased Blessing of the Loas' cooldown from 10 to 18 seconds, and rescaled duration from 10 to 8/10/12 seconds.

• 03/09/10

  Mah bday!! Party Hard! o/

• 06/09/10

  Reduced Dashing Slash's ministun duration from 0.2 to 0.1, to nerf his abusability; it's intended to work as a simple channeling interrupted.

• 28/10/10
  
  Hero resulted far less spammable than desirable; hence, a few changes were made:
  
  
  1. Dashing Slash's and Glaive Throw's mana costs no longer scale; they now have fixed lv3 values (the 2nd lowest values; 70 and 60 respectibly)
  2. Also, cooldown scaling for both reduced, starting from previous lv2 values.
  3. Dashing Slash's critical hit lowered from x1.75/2.0/2.25/2.5 to x1.5/1.75/2.0/2.25
  4. Int Gain increased from 1.6 to 2.1
  5. Total stats gain increased from 6.1 to 6.6
  6. Blessing of the Loas now has no mana cost, and blessings again give +12 damage instead of +15
  7. Due to the antisynergic behavior of Voodoo Frenzy (described HERE), the skill now has a longer duration, and does not refresh with new casts. Also, increased MS bonus from 10% to 10/12/14/16%
• 20/12/10

  Considerable nerf in the passive's effect, going from 10/12/14/16% MS to 6/9/12/15% MS.

• 10/01/11

  1. IAS and IMS bonus from Voodoo Frenzy swapped. It now gives IAS when triggered, and additional MS if you have Blessings Also, numbers tweaked accordingly.
  2. Blessing of the Loas reworked. Each cast now costs 10 mana, and has 2 seconds cooldown, but gives only a single Blessing.
  3. Dashing Slash's damage lowered from x1.5/x1.75/x2.0/x2.25 to x1.15/x1.35/x1.55/x1.75

• 30/04/11

  Increased Voodoo Frenzy's duration from 5 o 7 seconds. (If not, you'r just spamming skills all the time and can never benefit from the passive IAS)

• 15/12/12

  1. Changed Dashing Strike to a change-hit instead of an instant blinkstrike.
  2. Dashing Strike's Blessing effect went from armor reducing to armor reducing & lower charge time.
  3. Glaive Throw skills reworked, giving them an arc.
  4. Glaive Throw's Blessing effect from slow-on-touch to reduced arc & increased MS for glaive.
  5. Glaive Throw has an added effect: if both glaives hit the same target within 2 seconds, the target is heavily slowed for 4 seconds.

• + = Blessings increase damage dealt by the critical strike, and further via the armor reduction.
• + = Blessings allow Glaives to slow the target, making it harder for him to flee.
• + = Blessings make Voodoo Frenzy grant you extra speed, helping you assure that your enemies won't escape easily.
• + = Pretty simple :P 1st cast can reduce target's armor, allowing the 2nd cast to deal quite a lot of damage.
• + = same concept; Dashing Slash can reduce armor, dealing Glaives mayor damage.
• + = Glaive can slow the target, allowing you to cut distance down and getting in range for dashing in.

• ////
  All of these have something really valuable to contribute: Additional armor loss. That will make Sen'jin a nearly unstoppable killing machine. Of them all, special note is given to Bristleback and Vengeful Spirit: Bristle not only gives additional armor loss, but also additional slow, and if you two can cooperate smartly enough, he'd initiate for you, tanking the heavy nukes/disables before you dash in. On the other hand, Venge gives you insane damage via Command Aura, and has a deadly, pretty decent ranged stun, AND armor loss. What more can you ask for?
• 
  A special note on this amazing fellow. This ulti perfectly complements you, he can heal you, slow/disable the target, and EVEN SAVE YOU FROM BEING TOTALLY PWNED when dashing in. Definitely, alongside Rylai/Bristle/Venge, one of your most valuable allies.
• 
  This sexy chic help you with something you need desperately (specially early on) to be effective: Mana. Over all three "mana helpers", Rylai seems like the most obvious choise; pseudo-infinite mana, a great disable, and an amazing slow; definitely one of the best lane partners for Sen'jin, and even a good teammate if not a lanemate.
• /
  On the lower level, both Ezalor and Destroyer can give you the mana you need; Ezalor can be crucial early on, when you lack INT, and skills are pretty expensive, and Destroyer can be amazing during mid-late game, when your skills already have amazingly low cooldowns and mana costs, allowing you to freely spam them, triggering Essence Aura for a never ending cycle.
• ///etc
  No-brainer; anyone that can disable the target giving you a buffer window to crack the hell outta them is good for your health.
• 
  Nothing new; he's got a disable, a slow, and can give you tons of extra damage + cleave; pretty solid teammate.

Base list by Torchic_Maniac; additions & formatting made by me.

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  Treads can be helpful throughout the game. Never underestimate its ability to change its stats. A good choice for those who want to be aggressive.
  
  Decent stats that can be adjusted; gives attack speed.
  Lowest MS bonus.
• 
  Speed is always good -specially for a ganker/chaser-. Boots of Travel can give some needed for Sen'jin.
  
  The ability to teleport; Excellent speed boost.
  No stats; Expensive and hard to get.
• 
  Arcane Boots are good for its mana. If you want to spam your skills, this could be an easy way to go.
  
  Gives you a huge mana boost; Can be disassemble to turn into Boots of Travel or Power Treads later.
  Your mana problems will be solved later, or can be solved by useful allies like Rylai; If you disassemble it, the Energy Pooster will be wasted.
• 
  Extra damage can be handy, thou Voodoo Frenzy is already giving you pseudo-phase.
• 
  Great item for a ganker; Gives you some extra HP, regeneration for your skills, and the ability to heal yourself before ganking and/or disable daggers from fleeing. To be considered.
• 
  A natural choice for any melee hero in general and if you want a Desolator/Diffusal, this will give you some life drain to go along with the corruption/feedback. Also, extra damage/armor/regen is an amazing pack for a single item.
• 
  Can be a wise choise if you can get it without delaying other key items; You can get pretty good attack speed (note the 1.6 BAT), extra damage is a no-brainer, and some extra HP is always good to have.
• 
  Top-tier alternative to Basher. Definitely included in the "dreamed build" for Sen'jin; if you get feeded enough, don't hesitate: get it.
• 
  If you want to be a ninja, this item can do the trick. It gives good damage as well as a needed escape mechanism. -note that Dashing Slash can only target enemies-
• 
  Purge, dash in, and the feedback will do the rest.
• 
  The less armor they have, more damage both of your skills deal; and more damage you deal for yourself. Also a shitload of extra damage. Simply amazing.
• 
  Seems like an amazing choise; extra attack speed, move speed, general stats, and an amazing active. Can be a great choise, if the other team isn't filled with disablers; if that's the case, prefer BKB over this.
• 
  If you are dashing into battle, putting yourself in risk of being totally pwned with nukes and disables, being magic-proof would be fantastic. Also, extra HP and damage are always handy; pretty solid alternative to Manta, if there are many disablers on the other team.
• 
  Definitely not an easy item to get, but the cuirass gives you everything that you need. Less armor for them, more armor for you and your team, as well as more needed IAS to beat down your enemies.
• 
  For a melee AGI hero, this is a no-brainer.
• 
  You only deal physical damage, so this gives you very little benefits for using it. In fact, it makes you more nukable.
• 
  Probably all the MP you may need, extra MS if needed, and a good disable that allows you to ninja-scrollescape, or to stop a target for about half your skills' cooldown. To be considered if no MP partners are around.
• 
  Mana overflow! Added damage is simply amazing, extra IAS is great, you get all the mana you may ever need, and a handy disable+extra damage; invaluable when facing nasty targets like Zeus, Raijin or heavy disablers like Rhasta/Lion.

• The_Juggernaut: For his time discussing this hero, and all the support and help with brainstorming ideas and balancing things up.
• NoThlng: I am deeply in debt with him for his amazing work doing the testmap Also, we had extensive chatting about the skills and mechanics, so my deepest aknowledgement to him ^^.
• Torchic Maniac: Aknowledgements to him for too for his time discussing Sen'jin, and for his help with Voodoo Strength's reworking & the Item Synergy section!
• Carlvic: Special thanks to him for finding all the icons!
• The Lord God: My admiration for the designer of the magnificent hero template! Kudos for him!
• virtviuz: Also i'd like to thank him, thou he neither participated here nor was contacted by me, for the bars used for Soul Assumption (and used for Blessing of the Loas in the suggestion), as they are based upon his suggestion.
• Model by General Frank, hero icon by Mr.Goblin, "Blessing of the Loas" icon by bananaHUNT. All from Hiveworkshop; great work from them! ^^ (Can't find authors from Dashing Slash/Glaive Throw/Voodoo Frenzy icons; found by Carlvic)

[Jaik]

awesome hero . but i think it has a very very high resemblance to jahrakal? nyways t-null
ill try to review it later

[cc.jmk!]

Maybe using Jah'rakal's ulti icon on a low-CD, similar duration ulti was not that clever :P jajajajaja

yet, they'r all temporaty icons til i can find more suitable ones! ^^

[Captain Planet]

Possible icon for skill 2...?

[cc.jmk!]

Like it! yet, can anybody dare to review this? u.u

[adityacakasana]

Review..

Skill 1: I'm still confused about how to get the charge
Skill 2: Range attack w/ cooldown.. Pretty cool!
Skill 3: Better you make this as a chance in the 2nd skill.. And add new ability on this empty slot
Ulti: Nice. No changes needed..

Anyway, this hero is good, but it's 3rd skill is unacceptable.

[cc.jmk!]

Originally Posted by adityacakasana

Review..

Skill 1: I'm still confused about how to get the charge
Skill 2: Range attack w/ cooldown.. Pretty cool!
Skill 3: Better you make this as a chance in the 2nd skill.. And add new ability on this empty slot
Ulti: Nice. No changes needed..

Anyway, this hero is good, but it's 3rd skill is unacceptable.

why it's UNACCEPTABLE? :P you said nothing wrong about it! xD Also, giving a double hit + ranged attack, with the decreased armor, possible critical/double critical strike won't be a "little" imba? :P Still, i'd consider the chance of Dual Thrust, thou i still like the skill.

EDIT: woohoo! 500th post :P

[IAmTheSpoon]

Skill 1 - Simplistic and boring.
Skill 2 - Wow, forced synergy with skill 2.
Skill 3 - Hello there Geminate attack.
Ultimate - 8 sec BKB. Permabash. And again, forced synergy.

No synergy, no real voodoo, bad concept, auto attack agi, forced synergy, and crappy icons.

Epic fail Congrats
My suggestion: Complete remake.

Feel free to review my Ra, the Phoenix ^^

[cc.jmk!]

Originally Posted by IAmTheSpoon

Skill 1 - Simplistic and boring.

There'r lots of simple skills all over DotA, that does not take the magic outta them :P but well, i can't simply deny your opinion ^^"

Originally Posted by IAmTheSpoon

Skill 2 - Wow, forced synergy with skill 2.

So? ogre magi does, and it's a great hero to be played!

Originally Posted by IAmTheSpoon

Skill 3 - Hello there Geminate attack.

Actually you hit the key here; i never, ever, never, neither randomed nor choose Weaver, so i just knew it had an attack called "germinate attack" :P i've just read it through, and yea u.u it's the same. i'll look for a replacement for this asap.

Originally Posted by IAmTheSpoon

Ultimate - 8 sec BKB. Permabash. And again, forced synergy.

I've been meditation about this.. and yea.. it's a permabash u.u I still like the magic immunity + added MS per charge concept, so i'd work on something to replace the bash; an ulti granting 8 seconds of magic immunity.. sucks :S

Originally Posted by IAmTheSpoon

No synergy, no real voodoo, bad concept, auto attack agi, forced synergy, and crappy icons.

Epic fail Congrats
My suggestion: Complete remake.

At least i got an EPIC fail :P

Synergy exists, but in an auto-attack form (as both the 2nd and 3rd skills simply trigger auto-attacks, but the VS charges both add damage and, on the 2nd skill, an additional effect), yet that does not mean you'r supponed to be autoattacking all the time. Still, with the 3rd skill remake, i'll see that can i add to spice the hero a bit.

About the "voodoo", what where you expecting of Sen'jin? him to cast some heal, venom, stun, ward? he WAS a voodoo shaman, now he's a warrior. You should read the Background story :P Voodoo enchantations are only the source of his strenght now, not his source of magic power. If you want REAL voodoo, Sen'jin should be sacrificing heroes to pray the Loas for power.

[Lycan]

Hero

Skill 1
65% on a 1.5 crit is a rough damage amplify or 1.3 meh okay but not really cool orso...

Skill 2
okay skill imho Doublestrike on range. Well maybe remake it into a sololy double strike and put the range somewhere else. But reminds to much of Geminate Attack...

Skill 3
Decrease manacost on skilling it instead increasing it, 6 or 3 seconds for a double hit matters less than the manacost imho.

Ult 1
Bash... NO i hate bashes with IAS it's highly unorignal to rely on a Permabashing idea as well as ... he can't be disabled from doing it... this seriously except from the famours Battlfury + basher upgrade the most gayest thing i've seen.
Not trying to bash your creativity but bash is just to gay... Slow+ amplify is fine with me but it's unfair to being unable to not having a possibility to get out of a lockdown for free...

Overal:
The concept IDEA is good, but the execution isn't convincing me .... Sure agi want damage and IAS... but well i still dislike it....

Some things you could do to improve it, remove any type of bashing it's just unfair. For every charge he gains his attackrange increases, run up start hitting and try to outdamage him from where you started is something more interesting.
Magic immunity is okay but it last 8s.... no more than 5s max imho... Being an ult it means it does not get target by skill that go through BKB as well..



Offtopic notes:
Sure the model is neat and all but it's unneeded imho.


Zer'nathul

switch the thul to a different tongue

nathii
natho

but thul is scourgish tongue iirc.


Verdict: needs more work

~Lycan

[cc.jmk!]

A small note.. why does the 2nd skill reminds you to Germinate attack? Oo shouldn't it be the 3rd?

Glaive Throw just does a ranged attack. The hero is meele; with this, it just damages from afar. No doublestrike anywhere :P

EDIT:

I'm brainstorming some ideas.. I've settled i'd remove the bash from the ulti.. i'll see what i can invent to replace it xD maybe a fixed duration AoE stun upon cast, something soft like 0.5 or 1 sec stun. And that would almost effectively decrease the immunity duration (if they'r stunned, they can't cast nothing on you mostly :P); Maybe decrease duration to 6 seconds? It still is an ulti, i want to give is sustancial improve aside N'aix's Rage.

About the other two skills, I'm thinking about replacing the armor debuff on Glaive Throw for a slow effect, and add the armor reduction to the 3rd skill. Also, delete the dual strike from the 3rd skill. I was considering a single hit, 100% cleave attack with ~200 AoE + Armor debuff per charge.

Still, noone commented on the KEY aspect of Sen'jin. How the 1st skill charges affect his skills in different degrees!

Originally Posted by Lycan

Verdict: needs more work

They all do ;D

[Ghuy]

correct icon border for the first skill my friend, I'll give your hero a full review if I have time promise

[cc.jmk!]

Originally Posted by ghuy_9391

correct icon border for the first skill my friend, I'll give your hero a full review if I have time promise

Actually mine is the correct icon :P It is mostly a passive skill, but yet has an active part (the one that gives you the Voodoo Strenght charges :P), so it actually should have an active icon.

[cc.jmk!]

Well, i did several tweaks all over the skillset:

1) Removed the IAS bonus. Increased damage with a x2 critical instead of x1.5. Now counter's duration increase with levels.

2) Replaced the armor debuff for a MS penalty.

3) Completery remade skill; It now grants IAS against a single target (quite similar to Alleria's ulti), and counters grant the armor penalty taken from the 2nd skill.

4) Duration decreased to 6, and removed the MS bonus per counter. It now gives a 1 second stun to nearby enemies, mainly for quick disruption purposes, and for interrupting channeling skills. Addiotionally, counters now grant a powerful cleave attack while magic immune, steadily increasing damage output.

As an overall, both 2nd and 3rd skills no longer deplet all counters ALWAYS. They now remove up to 3/2 counter, depending on the skill, so any additional counter will remain.

[Captain Planet]

Skill 1: So...every charge gives another x% chance to deal a crit? 6x26% chance? lol wuut? You telling me that at level 4 he can have 156% chance to deal x2 damage? If this is not the case then you need to clear up how this works. If this is the case...I think the numbers need changing

EDIT: Ok. Now I understand this skill Much better XD.

Skill 2: Hmm...interesting. Decent synergy, even if it is forced. Not much to say here really. Solid and effective, although maybe not very long duration.

Skill 3: 3 seconds? Unless you have huge damage and a nicely disabled opponent, this skill won't do very much. You should change the duration to something more like Overpower where it lasts for a set number of attacks OR a set length of time...whichever comes first.

Ultimate: Dear god, I though you had better balancing skills than this. 16cd, lasts 6 seconds? Every 10 seconds you get magic immunity. Yeah that's TOTALLY not overpowered...Cooldown needs to be increased and mana cost increased. maybe 30/26/22 second cd and 60/90/120 mc?

Overall: He needs balancing (lots of it ) and skill description clarifications. 6.5-7/10 atm. Fix him.

EDIT: Ok, now he's fixed. 8/10

[IAmTheSpoon]

*cracks knuckles*

Voodoo StrengTH - Hell no with the stacked crit. Crit is boring and overused, too. T-down.

Glaive Throw - Ok skill, but really forced-synergy :/ Hence T-down.

Combo Slash - Forced synergy again. Reminds me too much of overpower.

Ult - Cleave + forced synergy + mini-bkb. utterly boring.

Verdict: 2 Words: Forced Synergy. Not only forced synergy, but it's also bad, auto-attack right click synergy.
Concept/model is ok, but I see no real voodoo here...
All in all, T-down. A full remake is in order.

[Lycan]

51.2% perma slow... if you're able to attack 8 times in 6 seconds...

[cc.jmk!]

jum.. working on it.

EDIT: Ok, i game Glaive Throw a fixed 6% MS penalty per charge to lower total from 48% to 36%.

I just can't see what Spoon excepts from the word "voodoo" :P
I know it's forced synergy, but the whole skillset is BASED on the voodoo strength instances.

I'm considering nerfing lots and lots the ulti, and swaping it with Voodoo Strength (hence limiting forced synergy to be from ulti to skills, like Ogre Magi)

Also, i'm considering some mayor buff for VS, as a critical strike + 5% damage per instance ain't no ulti :P

I could use a suggestion i made for Traxex' Trueshot Aura maybe. If so, ulti now would be something like: (rough, quick draft idea)

-Up to 3/5/7 VS instances. Each instance gives 5% damage.
-Sen'jin has a 15/25/35% change to ignore armor when attacking. (As Glaive Throw would trigger a originally disabled Attack 2 with range, it could also benefit from this)
-There's a 5/10/15% chance that focusing a Voodoo Strength instance would give nearby allied heroes (~400 AoE) an instance too.

[carlvic]

voodoo strength is okay.

cant find an icon for Glaive Throw :-)

For Combo Slash:


For Voodoo Frenzy:


(either for Voodoo Frenzy or hero icon)

[cc.jmk!]

Last icon is NEAT! :O where did you get it from? In case you did it, may you may it more berserkerous? :P like.. adding a glow coming from the mouth and eyes and surrounding the head? That way, it'd fit the skill better, and keep that wonderful look similar to the hero model..!

Great job finding them, still! ^^