[Buff]Vladimirs offering

[Redeemed A.I.]

I will be short.I've made a thread here about a vladimirs being able to be used on ranged heroes.

YES IT IS POSSIBLE TO MAKE IT WORK ON RANGED UNITS.

For more info check the link.

Why would we want a vladimirs working on ranged heroes?

• We have a lot of ranged orb casting heroes on which a ranged vladimirs will be awesome.Huskar,Viper,new weaver,silencer and many many more!
• Vladimirs is considered a support item,yet it supports only half of hero pools,but this disadvantage will be history
• This buff will make it even more popular on competitive scene and pubs alike.
• There isn't any serious reasson why it shouldn't work on ranged heroes.
• Its only drawback is on luna and dragon knight who abuse it and therefore will not work for them (dragon knight flying splash),but that's a problem of warcraft engine.
• It is based on vampiric potion ability,therefore it can be balanced seperately for melee and range type affected units like Vanguard! Example: 18% melee 10% range.

Thoughts?Ideas?

Changelog
Uploaded Test map.All thanks to DonTomaso

[Audacious]

I believe it is balanced separately.

Shouldn't this be in the rmk section?

Best regards,

Audacious

[Linism]

Well, why not? Sounds great. But I'm presuming it doesn't change the interaction with Illusions?
T-Up.

[Jenova-]

Remember that the "Item Ideas" forum is for suggesting completely new items. For suggesting tweaks to the currently existing ones, use the "Remakes" forum.

Moved to Remakes.

[Redeemed A.I.]

Originally Posted by Jenova-

Remember that the "Item Ideas" forum is for suggesting completely new items. For suggesting tweaks to the currently existing ones, use the "Remakes" forum.

Moved to Remakes.

Ok thanks

Originally Posted by linkyaw

Well, why not? Sounds great. But I'm presuming it doesn't change the interaction with Illusions?
T-Up.

It should be checked by the trigger so no lifesteal on ranged illusions !

[dominator02]

100000000000% !!!!

this will synergize Weaver's swarm.

[bababoom]

^u mean germinate

Don't see why not as long as it's a little weaker for ranged. 10-12% sounds right. yet another buff for trax.

[dominator02]

Originally Posted by bababoom

^u mean germinate

no,swarms(new ability replaced from Urna Swarm) can lifesteal through Vlad because they are melee summoned units.making them unkillable.

[Fate Trap]

I guess T-up becoz only 10% wouldn't hurt...

[doomsheep]

melee still cant stack skadi

if this gets implemented the whole orb system should be remade so it fits.

[Redeemed A.I.]

Originally Posted by doomsheep

melee still cant stack skadi

if this gets implemented the whole orb system should be remade so it fits.

Eh....what does that mean? :3

[doomsheep]

there were some threads about that a while ago. basically the orbs can be triggered in a relatively simple way to allow any kind of stacking rules we want.

[Redeemed A.I.]

Originally Posted by doomsheep

there were some threads about that a while ago. basically the orbs can be triggered in a relatively simple way to allow any kind of stacking rules we want.

But you are talking about stacking orbs,I'm talking about an evolved vladimirs...Vladimirs,which is by far one of the worst situational items in dota.

[doomsheep]

theres kind of a balance concept there. melee can stack an orb + vladmir whereas range can stack orb + skadi.

[Redeemed A.I.]

Originally Posted by doomsheep

theres kind of a balance concept there. melee can stack an orb + vladmir whereas range can stack orb + skadi.

Yet how many do you think would benefit from 10% lifesteal other than Viper,Huskar,Silencer,Weaver,Enhantress and generally orb carry heroes?
As I said it is viable core on orb heroes and viable on support heroes.You wouldn't get vladimirs on a luna (even if you could) but dominator in order to gain dominate ability and 5% extra lifesteal.You wouldn't get a lion/cm/lina/atropos vladimirs unless your team requests it,just like it already does only for melee heroes!

And always take a look at numbers.I mean,you can't exploit 10% lifesteal on a morfling,an Ezalor,a WD,a krobelus,a Pugna.....But some of those would deffinetly buy it if Huskar,Viper,Clintz would required its lifesteal!And the best part is,they do!

Finally,let's be honest,10% is anything but gamebreaking,it barely helps some poor heroes get what they deserve:A safer future

[TheGibber]

I think it would be a great Idea considering a new Item with a Lifesteal aura only for ranged heroes. My thought is, that it is imbalanced to have a single item greatly affecting the entire team, and that it comes too cheap to grant fix the orb issue (example Ench with Impetus, Skadi AND Lifesteal, or TB getting vladimir's for easy jungling AND lifesteal in ranged form :/)

[doomsheep]

sure, and im fine with this either way. just seems to me that it should be implemented with the orb system.

another thing is it might not work perfectly without it. if you cast a slow nuke you can start and attack before it hits the target. with a whole system this would be fixed.

[Redeemed A.I.]

Originally Posted by TheGibber

I think it would be a great Idea considering a new Item with a Lifesteal aura only for ranged heroes. My thought is, that it is imbalanced to have a single item greatly affecting the entire team, and that it comes too cheap to grant fix the orb issue (example Ench with Impetus, Skadi AND Lifesteal, or TB getting vladimir's for easy jungling AND lifesteal in ranged form :/)

You still pay 2k for 1k lifesteal though and terrorblade's illusion will not be affected by it so <.<

Originally Posted by doomsheep

sure, and im fine with this either way. just seems to me that it should be implemented with the orb system.

I too wish the orb system to be implemented,but I'm not sure what dangers shall it rise...

Originally Posted by doomsheep

another thing is it might not work perfectly without it. if you cast a slow nuke you can start and attack before it hits the target.

If you ask about the vampiric effect,I have a (primitive) test map and it stacks "normally" with orb effects just like vladimir's aura..
Best example would be broodmother.She has the effect and it stacks 100% with incapacitating bite (no?)

[Dynes]

Concept:
Y not.
T-Up.

[doomsheep]

Originally Posted by Kasad

I too wish the orb system to be implemented,but I'm not sure what dangers shall it rise...

any problems with it would be coding stuff meaning it can be hunted down and fixed. its entirely possible that it would work perfectly in the first version.

If you ask about the vampiric effect,I have a (primitive) test map and it stacks "normally" with orb effects just like vladimir's aura..
Best example would be broodmother.She has the effect and it stacks 100% with incapacitating bite (no?)

brood's spell gives her a vampiric aura afaik.

to make a completely bug-free system you need either a buff placer or some weird system thingy.