[Item] Elune's Necklace

drgaliza · 08-23-2009, 02:25 PM

Elune's Necklace

Costs: 2000g

Bought From: Protectorate

A powerful necklace made by Elune herself.

Bonus:
+6 to all atributes
Avatar (active)

doesn't stack with BKB avatar or multiple Elunes necklace (CD of BKB would tick once avatar of Elunes Necklace Avatar is activated and vise versa.)

It is unrearmable with Tinker.

Town portal and Boots of Travel is disabled when a hero has an Elunes Necklace Avatar buff to avoid cheap escape.

Animation: The animation is different from a usual avatar of BKB which makes your character a little bit bigger but what it does is a light similar to a lucent beam and starfall emerges from above followed by a shimmering light around you (like glitters when using fortification) as well as shimmering sound effect until the duration of avatar expires. (The animation should be different to enable the opponent identify which type of avatar an opponent have besides looking at his item arsenal.)

Additional Info:

Duration and cooldown decrease each time it is used
Duration is 5/4/3 seconds, and cooldown is 60/55/50 seconds. After 3 uses it stays at 3 second duration and 50 second cooldown

Recipe:

2 of the following:

(450g)

(450g)

+

recipe scroll (1000g)

Justifications:

Most of players now whines about a team full of stunners and nukers win. This solves the problem.
This item solves late gamers problems and some mid game heroes.
Late gamers can organize their items and make them a mid gamer but delays his late game a bit.
Cheap item, Easy to bought by parts and very useful throughout the game
Good for Channeling heroes such as Sand King, Rylai etc.
A little cheaper than blink dagger with stat boost but doesnt offer mobility and positioning but is a good alternative for a Sand King user.
Not very IMBA in my opinion because of relatively long cooldown and a short duration of avatar and it occupies a slot for a more useful item in mid to late game.
Heroes lessed picked before would probably be picked more often than not with this item involved
Elune's Necklace is mostly for early game survival and BKB is for late game dominance. Timing is crucial to take down an enemy with this item.
In a real gameplay heroes would only pick one. Pick Elunes Necklace and finish the game early or BKB if game last that long and thinks he needed more avatar time during clashes. Options is great than having the old BKB alone.

Clarifications:

1. Another Bkb? Mulitple Bkb = useless?

It doesnt necessarily mean useless IMO. Because players will be given an option if they are to build an Elunes Necklace for Early-Mid game battle or a BKB for late game. Bkb is good for late game clashes because clashes are more longer and last more than 5 secs while Elunes Necklace avatar would suffice early defense against stun whore team which BKB cannot offer. Same Item and Ability but different impact in gameplay.

2. Would it make tinker Imba?

It depends on the tinker user and his opponents level of playing... If opponent also has Elunes necklace then most likely Tinker would be a bit on a disadvantage dont you think? It will depend on when and how you use the item because the timing would be crucial in Elune's Necklace avatar battle. Remember that this item is unrearmable like BKB and town portal and boots of travel is disabled to avoid cheap escape.

3. Why not buff Bkb instead?

Providing option is rather good than remaking old BKB because it is good as it is for late game but we need Elunes Necklace for Early game. 2 same ability but different impact in gameplay.

4. Its IMBAlance!!!???

No it is not... It is relatively long cooldown, short duration, and occupies slot items which is more useful items in mid game and lategame. Rearm is disabled and using townportal while elunes avatar is active is disabled to avoid cheap escape and imbaness. Its main purpose is to survive early game but if you bought this item it would only delay your core items. And buying this if you really plan to buy BKB for late game is a waste obviously but would give you some benefit throughout early-midgame survival and make your character more useful in clashes mid game which in most inhouse gaming, the game have ended.

Thanks for the comments...

kanzakill · 08-23-2009, 02:26 PM

Can you have more than one of this item?

If yes then just no

Gheizen64 · 08-23-2009, 03:27 PM

I suppose it's like BKB, multiple of them are useless...

hajasmarci · 08-23-2009, 03:31 PM

So original...

Would make Tinker imba agin btw.

DarkMedina · 08-23-2009, 03:33 PM

Another bkb?

drgaliza · 08-23-2009, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hajasmarci

So original...

Would make Tinker imba agin btw.

it depends on the tinker user and his opponents level of playing... If opponent also has Elunes necklace then most likely Tinker would be a bit on a disadvantage dont you think? It will depend on when and how you use the item because the timing would be crucial in Elune's Necklace avatar battle.

drgaliza · 08-23-2009, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gheizen64

I suppose it's like BKB, multiple of them are useless...

It doesnt necessarily mean useless IMO. Because players will be given an option if they are to build an Elunes Necklace for Early-Mid game battle or a BKB for late game. Bkb is good for late game clashes because clashes are more longer and last more than 5 secs while Elunes Necklace avatar would suffice early defense against stun whore team which BKB cannot offer. Same Item and Ability but different impact in gameplay.

AbyssPetra · 08-23-2009, 03:55 PM

450+450+1000=2000g?

can i ask why another avatar-type item? its cheaper by 2k and nothing new.

drgaliza · 08-23-2009, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbyssPetra

450+450+1000=2000g?

can i ask why another avatar-type item? its cheaper by 2k and nothing new.

As I have said, It doesnt necessarily mean useless IMO. Because players will be given an option if they are to build an Elunes Necklace for Early-Mid game battle or a BKB for late game. Bkb is good for late game clashes because clashes are more longer and last more than 5 secs while Elunes Necklace avatar would suffice early defense against stun whore team which BKB cannot offer. Same Item and Ability but different impact in gameplay.

It will give players Option for early game survival or late game dominance.

drgaliza · 08-23-2009, 04:10 PM

A team composed of void, troll, mercurial, blood seeker, and other heroes that are lessed picked in an in house gaming before and can probably be picked more often than not with this item involved.

This will solve problems against a stun and nuke oriented team...

Bkb would not solve this problem for the moment...

Option is rather good than remaking old BKB because it is good as it is for late game but we need Elunes Necklace for Early game

IAmTheSpoon · 08-23-2009, 05:00 PM

In short, a weaker version of BKB on early game. No thanks.

Rate my Viglini =)

drgaliza · 08-23-2009, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IAmTheSpoon

In short, a weaker version of BKB on early game. No thanks.

Rate my Viglini =)

But a weaker version of BKB is what we need in recent DOTA gaming because

1. Stun and Nuke oriented team is hard to deal if it happens you dont have stuns and nuke yourself that is why...
2. Other heroes are not picked in an inhouse gaming besides probably poor team oriented skills, are survivability early-mid game against these type of opponents.
3. No one plays SD in some games because if it happens that opposing team have all nukers, gankers, stunners in their team and your team are all late gamers, not team oriented heroes then it is GG before the game begins.

Although I respect your opinion... Il rate your guide later... Tnx for your comment ^_^

hajasmarci · 08-23-2009, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drgaliza

it depends on the tinker user and his opponents level of playing... If opponent also has Elunes necklace then most likely Tinker would be a bit on a disadvantage dont you think? It will depend on when and how you use the item because the timing would be crucial in Elune's Necklace avatar battle.

Then what? Recharge

drgaliza · 08-23-2009, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hajasmarci

Then what? Recharge

What do you mean recharge?? Do you mean rearm? or Do you mean we need to put a recharge on the item so it would go back to 5 secs?

If you mean rearm: This item is unrearmable for tinker therefore unspamable. BKB is also unrearmable as of the recent versions.

If you mean recharge: Sounds great but no... It would make BKB useless already. Elunes Necklace will be their only option if we do that since it is simply rechargable.. 3-5 secs is good enough early game as of survibability matters is concern. BKB is for late game clash but this item can be of good use if timed right. In a real gameplay heroes would only pick one. Pick Elunes Necklace and finish the game early or BKB if game last that long and thinks he needed more avatar time during clashes. Options is great than having the old BKB alone.

hajasmarci · 08-23-2009, 06:22 PM

I meant rearm

PS: Ever thought of using this as a component of BKB?

Repeats · 08-24-2009, 12:53 AM

... why would you bother making an item exactly like BkB but weaker when it was already nerfed to be more balanced.

Please make a more original item. there is no need for a early game BKB. Your arguements all just lead to the exact reasons why many characters need the ALREADY IMPLEMENTED BKB.

Big T-Down. This item is pointless.

NoThlnG · 08-24-2009, 02:01 AM

This is just an cheaper BKB with lesser effect.

Perfect T-Down. Suggest something more original

CynyC · 08-24-2009, 03:22 AM

I'm not a fan of BKB, seeing another BKB makes me sad face.

Sad face.

crazy sheep · 08-24-2009, 04:58 AM

Even though you've given your reasons as to why this is not just another BKB, I don't see any real justifications as to why this should be added to the game. The buildup is horrible anyway. Not a good suggestion IMO.

FunkyP · 01-04-2010, 06:47 AM

An item like this just doesn't belong in DotA, in my humble opinion.

While it does seem very balanced on paper, it will surely become an item that a great deal of players will get their hands on during a game. Mid-tier items like this that have such usefulness on almost all heroes removes a level of dimension to the game, namely timely stun ganks.

Also, because of the cheapness of it, a whole team may opt to buy it, and with a whole team buying it, team fights will become incredibly one sided with just a tad of good timing. If both teams are smart, then it may very well lead to a pound fest, which severely limits the abilities of many popular skill based heroes.

Of course, I could be over exaggerating this, but it would certainly become extremely popular in top level gaming.

A good idea, but I'd just rather not see it in DotA, sorry.

08-23-2009, 02:25 PM	#1
drgaliza Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 434	[Item] Elune's Necklace Elune's Necklace Costs: 2000g Bought From: Protectorate A powerful necklace made by Elune herself. Bonus: +6 to all atributes Avatar (active) doesn't stack with BKB avatar or multiple Elunes necklace (CD of BKB would tick once avatar of Elunes Necklace Avatar is activated and vise versa.) *It is unrearmable with Tinker.* *Town portal and Boots of Travel is disabled when a hero has an Elunes Necklace Avatar buff to avoid cheap escape*. Animation: The animation is different from a usual avatar of BKB which makes your character a little bit bigger but what it does is a light similar to a lucent beam and starfall emerges from above followed by a shimmering light around you (like glitters when using fortification) as well as shimmering sound effect until the duration of avatar expires. (The animation should be different to enable the opponent identify which type of avatar an opponent have besides looking at his item arsenal.) Additional Info: Duration and cooldown decrease each time it is used Duration is 5/4/3 seconds, and cooldown is 60/55/50 seconds. After 3 uses it stays at 3 second duration and 50 second cooldown Recipe: 2 of the following: (450g) (450g) (450g) + recipe scroll (1000g) Justifications: Most of players now whines about a team full of stunners and nukers win. This solves the problem. This item solves late gamers problems and some mid game heroes. Late gamers can organize their items and make them a mid gamer but delays his late game a bit. Cheap item, Easy to bought by parts and very useful throughout the game Good for Channeling heroes such as Sand King, Rylai etc. A little cheaper than blink dagger with stat boost but doesnt offer mobility and positioning but is a good alternative for a Sand King user. Not very IMBA in my opinion because of relatively long cooldown and a short duration of avatar and it occupies a slot for a more useful item in mid to late game. Heroes lessed picked before would probably be picked more often than not with this item involved Elune's Necklace is mostly for early game survival and BKB is for late game dominance. Timing is crucial to take down an enemy with this item. In a real gameplay heroes would only pick one. Pick Elunes Necklace and finish the game early or BKB if game last that long and thinks he needed more avatar time during clashes. Options is great than having the old BKB alone. Clarifications: 1. Another Bkb? Mulitple Bkb = useless? It doesnt necessarily mean useless IMO. Because players will be given an option if they are to build an Elunes Necklace for Early-Mid game battle or a BKB for late game. Bkb is good for late game clashes because clashes are more longer and last more than 5 secs while Elunes Necklace avatar would suffice early defense against stun whore team which BKB cannot offer. Same Item and Ability but different impact in gameplay. 2. Would it make tinker Imba? It depends on the tinker user and his opponents level of playing... If opponent also has Elunes necklace then most likely Tinker would be a bit on a disadvantage dont you think? It will depend on when and how you use the item because the timing would be crucial in Elune's Necklace avatar battle. Remember that this item is unrearmable like BKB and town portal and boots of travel is disabled to avoid cheap escape. 3. Why not buff Bkb instead? Providing option is rather good than remaking old BKB because it is good as it is for late game but we need Elunes Necklace for Early game. 2 same ability but different impact in gameplay. 4. Its IMBAlance!!!??? No it is not... It is relatively long cooldown, short duration, and occupies slot items which is more useful items in mid game and lategame. Rearm is disabled and using townportal while elunes avatar is active is disabled to avoid cheap escape and imbaness. Its main purpose is to survive early game but if you bought this item it would only delay your core items. And buying this if you really plan to buy BKB for late game is a waste obviously but would give you some benefit throughout early-midgame survival and make your character more useful in clashes mid game which in most inhouse gaming, the game have ended. Thanks for the comments... __________________ D r . G a l i z a Dr.Galiza Smoke of Deceit Contributor Dr.Galiza's Escape Maneuvers: Forbidden Techniques Dr.Galiza's Guide: POTM (underconstruction)

Last edited by drgaliza; 08-23-2009 at 06:18 PM. Reason: picture editing

08-23-2009, 03:27 PM	#3
Gheizen64 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,473	Re: [Item] Elune's Necklace I suppose it's like BKB, multiple of them are useless...

08-23-2009, 03:31 PM	#4
hajasmarci Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 5,384	Re: [Item] Elune's Necklace So original... Would make Tinker imba agin btw.

08-23-2009, 03:33 PM	#5
DarkMedina Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,751	Re: [Item] Elune's Necklace Another bkb?

08-23-2009, 03:55 PM	#8
AbyssPetra Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NSW, Australia. Posts: 2,296 Blog Entries: 5	Re: [Item] Elune's Necklace 450+450+1000=2000g? can i ask why another avatar-type item? its cheaper by 2k and nothing new. __________________ Click image to view thread Unique Aghanim Scepter Upgrades Rune Mage [Remake/Buff]Rooftrellen - Treant Protector

08-23-2009, 04:10 PM	#10
drgaliza Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 434	Re: [Item] Elune's Necklace A team composed of void, troll, mercurial, blood seeker, and other heroes that are lessed picked in an in house gaming before and can probably be picked more often than not with this item involved. This will solve problems against a stun and nuke oriented team... Bkb would not solve this problem for the moment... Option is rather good than remaking old BKB because it is good as it is for late game but we need Elunes Necklace for Early game __________________ D r . G a l i z a Dr.Galiza Smoke of Deceit Contributor Dr.Galiza's Escape Maneuvers: Forbidden Techniques Dr.Galiza's Guide: POTM (underconstruction)

08-23-2009, 05:00 PM	#11
IAmTheSpoon Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Bydgoszcz, Poland Posts: 1,113	Re: [Item] Elune's Necklace In short, a weaker version of BKB on early game. No thanks. Rate my Viglini =) __________________ [B] [B]My Slark Guide

08-23-2009, 06:22 PM	#15
hajasmarci Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 5,384	Re: [Item] Elune's Necklace I meant rearm PS: Ever thought of using this as a component of BKB?

08-24-2009, 12:53 AM	#16
Repeats Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 494	Re: [Item] Elune's Necklace ... why would you bother making an item exactly like BkB but weaker when it was already nerfed to be more balanced. Please make a more original item. there is no need for a early game BKB. Your arguements all just lead to the exact reasons why many characters need the ALREADY IMPLEMENTED BKB. Big T-Down. This item is pointless. __________________ - Medivh, The Spirit Keeper - Eldritch, the Blood Orc -[Remake] Unstable Concoction - Zephyr, The Wind Tempest

08-24-2009, 02:01 AM	#17
NoThlnG Forum Staff Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Nowhere Posts: 15,188 Blog Entries: 8	Re: [Item] Elune's Necklace This is just an cheaper BKB with lesser effect. Perfect T-Down. Suggest something more original __________________ Signature Suggestions Steam . Credits to Lotus V Eater . . Suggestion Portfolio My Ability Collections My Useful Links . . .

08-24-2009, 03:22 AM	#18
CynyC Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 425	Re: [Item] Elune's Necklace I'm not a fan of BKB, seeing another BKB makes me sad face. Sad face. __________________ Cynyc's Portfolio - Click for all my Item Suggestions! Always using ShadowKnight172's Item Template : Companion :: Druid Crown :: Rapier :: Aether Ring :: Primal Pact :: Dwarvern Targe :: Aegis of Seeing :: Erubite Gauntlets :: Mesmer's Regalia :: Mur'Gul Blades :: Du'Guirka :: Discharger :: Turgeon's Haunt :: Fearmonger :: Earthrender :: Benevolence :: Necrothain :

08-24-2009, 04:58 AM	#19
crazy sheep Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: the Suggestions forum Posts: 558 Blog Entries: 6	Re: [Item] Elune's Necklace Even though you've given your reasons as to why this is not just another BKB, I don't see any real justifications as to why this should be added to the game. The buildup is horrible anyway. Not a good suggestion IMO. __________________ Hero/Item suggestions, they're where I stay nowadays. Don't PM me if you want stories/reviews for your hero/item, currently busy IRL. Click here if you like: DBSK/Super Junior/SS501/SNSD/any other Korean artistes Suggestions needing comments so far: Gauntlets of Doom \| Blade of the Elders \| Battle Axe My fanfic: Legend of the Soul Linker Two guides under construction: Orb Walking miniguide and Hero Balance miniguide.

01-04-2010, 06:47 AM	#20
FunkyP Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2	Re: [Item] Elune's Necklace An item like this just doesn't belong in DotA, in my humble opinion. While it does seem very balanced on paper, it will surely become an item that a great deal of players will get their hands on during a game. Mid-tier items like this that have such usefulness on almost all heroes removes a level of dimension to the game, namely timely stun ganks. Also, because of the cheapness of it, a whole team may opt to buy it, and with a whole team buying it, team fights will become incredibly one sided with just a tad of good timing. If both teams are smart, then it may very well lead to a pound fest, which severely limits the abilities of many popular skill based heroes. Of course, I could be over exaggerating this, but it would certainly become extremely popular in top level gaming. A good idea, but I'd just rather not see it in DotA, sorry.