[ITEM]Menethil

The Observer · 08-25-2009, 08:58 PM

Menethil

(Taken from WoWWiki's icon list)

Forged from the remains of a powerful sword's pedestal. It was said that the pedestal itself contains enormous amounts of magic. Gives +100 damage and Murgleis' Blessing(Active)

Murgleis' Blessing:

Turns your attack into magic damage while this skill is activated. Drains 15 to the hero per second and drains 15 more mana when attacking units.

(need help on numbers)

Activation has a 10 seconds cooldown.

You get some animation(maybe an animation in your head, weapon or body) when you activate the item's skill. If anyone can suggest a great and fitting animation then that would be a great help.

You get this Buff when you activate the skill.

Recipe:

= 2400

= 1600

= 1500

(Auto Combines Into)

= 5500

kanzakill · 08-25-2009, 09:04 PM

This would buff Ghost Scepter and increase cloaks/hood popularity a lot

That's all I can comment right now, will be more later

The Observer · 08-25-2009, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kanzakill

This would buff Ghost Scepter and increase cloaks/hood popularity a lot

That's all I can comment right now, will be more later

Yeah that's the point. But it would utterly destroy the enemy player's item build because of this item, do you see that?

Ety · 08-25-2009, 09:25 PM

I don't think it's codeable...

only by using metamorphosis, where you actually transform into the same unit but with magic type attack

kanzakill · 08-25-2009, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuratz

only by using metamorphosis, where you actually transform into the same unit but with magic type attack

It is codeable ...

When you attack, make an enemy dummy unit and let you attack that one.
Make a dummy unit of yours to deal the magic damage to enemy.
Ta da!

Ety · 08-25-2009, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Make a dummy unit of yours to deal the magic damage to enemy.

ehm what? you mean like creating an invisible illusion of yourself that would deal magic damage? it's not possible

you got a test map to prove that I'm wrong?

DuKKY · 08-25-2009, 09:49 PM

hmmm i dont really know what to think of this.. i like it, but at the same time think its silly

.. i mean it would completely change the game of dota ( in a sense )

kanzakill · 08-25-2009, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuratz

ehm what? you mean like creating an invisible illusion of yourself that would deal magic damage? it's not possible

you got a test map to prove that I'm wrong?

LOL

First you should know what a "dummy unit" is. A lot of spells work by using dummy units

A test map is too redundant, use DotA!

It's an invulnerable, completely invisible (most cases), untargetable (depends) unit with no shape (depends). The only reason for it to exist is to do the spell

Quote:

Originally Posted by Protomanx1 - DotA Mechanics Common Terminology

Dummy
When refering to units, a dummy unit can be an invisible caster that appears on the map, performs certain actions and is destroyed or a unit that only appears to provide certain animation or cosmetic effect, on the other hand a dummy ability or skill is an ability that does nothing to contribute to the skill's effect, it can be there for graphics or targeting purposes, an example of this is Channel

See man?

Now you knew it

The Observer · 08-25-2009, 11:34 PM

either what kanzakill said or just change the attack of the hero from physical to magic. which is possible. i've seen it in an RPG map called "master crafters final conquest"

crazy sheep · 08-25-2009, 11:44 PM

I'm not sure if this is really viable. It sounds good, it works good for the game region you mean it for [lategame], BUT the problem would be simple: Will you be sure that magic resistance < armour by then?

If it is, then you have my support for this concept.

The Observer · 08-25-2009, 11:49 PM

Of course. Normally, people only buy hood, since that's the only item that gives "decent" magic resistance.

So the only thing that will lessen this item's effectiveness is the natural 20% magic resistance of heroes lategame.

and seriously, who buys magic resistance for lategame? they actually just discards HoD and buy tank or damage items. Magic resistance is actually neglected by alot lategame.

1nvok3r · 08-26-2009, 12:23 AM

Don't listen to the idiots. Almost everything is codeable. All you have to do is negate the damage caused by the unit and then re-deliver it as magic damage. Done by triggers, of course.

crazy sheep · 08-26-2009, 12:26 AM

In that case, this is one sweet item suggestion. Hope it gets into the game.

The Observer · 08-26-2009, 12:28 AM

thanks for the support.

The Observer · 09-12-2009, 07:11 AM

bump

jawawaQ · 09-12-2009, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asim3

Drains 15 to the hero per second and drains 15 more mana when attacking units.

Does this mean the it cost 15 mana to attack alone and the mana drain will increase to +15 more?

Clarify.

Btw, the Icon looks like a Vagina.

cp14 · 09-12-2009, 09:01 AM

yey new mealstrom PUGNA.

chadpiety123 · 09-12-2009, 09:04 AM

@Kuratz
Many spells in Dota are dummy based.

The only problem I see with this one is that when units are ethereal, you still won't be able to attack them (because it's hardcoded that way), so it's still useless in that sense.

The Observer · 09-12-2009, 09:28 AM

@jawawaQ

yeah, kind of like that. numbers can be changed.

jawawaQ · 09-12-2009, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asam3

@jawawaQ

yeah, kind of like that.

It does look like a vagina

numbers can be changed.

DPS heroes will lose mana asap.

08-25-2009, 08:58 PM	#1
The Observer Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Starton Manila. Posts: 5,629 Blog Entries: 1	[ITEM]Menethil Menethil (Taken from WoWWiki's icon list) Forged from the remains of a powerful sword's pedestal. It was said that the pedestal itself contains enormous amounts of magic. Gives +100 damage and Murgleis' Blessing(Active) Murgleis' Blessing: Turns your attack into magic damage while this skill is activated. Drains 15 to the hero per second and drains 15 more mana when attacking units. (need help on numbers) Activation has a 10 seconds cooldown. You get some animation(maybe an animation in your head, weapon or body) when you activate the item's skill. If anyone can suggest a great and fitting animation then that would be a great help. You get this Buff when you activate the skill. Recipe: = 2400 = 1600 = 1500 (Auto Combines Into) = 5500 __________________ Having a DotA 2 beta key is like being given a zombie cure. The mindless begging ends, along with the lack of social interaction with anyone. It's like you're all just there for the key, but once you get the key, the pain subsides and you get a little warmer inside.

Last edited by The Observer; 10-28-2009 at 12:01 PM.

08-25-2009, 09:25 PM	#4
Ety Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Croatia Posts: 1,750	Re: [ITEM]Menethil I don't think it's codeable... only by using metamorphosis, where you actually transform into the same unit but with magic type attack

08-25-2009, 09:49 PM	#7
DuKKY Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,140	Re: [ITEM]Menethil hmmm i dont really know what to think of this.. i like it, but at the same time think its silly .. i mean it would completely change the game of dota ( in a sense ) __________________ PROUDLY A CREATORS GUILD MEMBER CERTIFIED S.R.T MEMBER My hero creations My Remakes Access all this Here

08-25-2009, 11:34 PM	#9
The Observer Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Starton Manila. Posts: 5,629 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [ITEM]Menethil either what kanzakill said or just change the attack of the hero from physical to magic. which is possible. i've seen it in an RPG map called "master crafters final conquest" __________________ Having a DotA 2 beta key is like being given a zombie cure. The mindless begging ends, along with the lack of social interaction with anyone. It's like you're all just there for the key, but once you get the key, the pain subsides and you get a little warmer inside.

08-25-2009, 11:44 PM	#10
crazy sheep Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: the Suggestions forum Posts: 558 Blog Entries: 6	Re: [ITEM]Menethil I'm not sure if this is really viable. It sounds good, it works good for the game region you mean it for [lategame], BUT the problem would be simple: Will you be sure that magic resistance < armour by then? If it is, then you have my support for this concept. __________________ Hero/Item suggestions, they're where I stay nowadays. Don't PM me if you want stories/reviews for your hero/item, currently busy IRL. Click here if you like: DBSK/Super Junior/SS501/SNSD/any other Korean artistes Suggestions needing comments so far: Gauntlets of Doom \| Blade of the Elders \| Battle Axe My fanfic: Legend of the Soul Linker Two guides under construction: Orb Walking miniguide and Hero Balance miniguide.

08-25-2009, 11:49 PM	#11
The Observer Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Starton Manila. Posts: 5,629 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [ITEM]Menethil Of course. Normally, people only buy hood, since that's the only item that gives "decent" magic resistance. So the only thing that will lessen this item's effectiveness is the natural 20% magic resistance of heroes lategame. and seriously, who buys magic resistance for lategame? they actually just discards HoD and buy tank or damage items. Magic resistance is actually neglected by alot lategame. __________________ Having a DotA 2 beta key is like being given a zombie cure. The mindless begging ends, along with the lack of social interaction with anyone. It's like you're all just there for the key, but once you get the key, the pain subsides and you get a little warmer inside.

Last edited by The Observer; 08-25-2009 at 11:54 PM.

08-26-2009, 12:23 AM	#12
1nvok3r Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 430	Re: [ITEM]Menethil Don't listen to the idiots. Almost everything is codeable. All you have to do is negate the damage caused by the unit and then re-deliver it as magic damage. Done by triggers, of course. __________________ My Suggestions: Visit the Suggestions Forum and help improve DotA!

08-26-2009, 12:26 AM	#13
crazy sheep Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: the Suggestions forum Posts: 558 Blog Entries: 6	Re: [ITEM]Menethil In that case, this is one sweet item suggestion. Hope it gets into the game. __________________ Hero/Item suggestions, they're where I stay nowadays. Don't PM me if you want stories/reviews for your hero/item, currently busy IRL. Click here if you like: DBSK/Super Junior/SS501/SNSD/any other Korean artistes Suggestions needing comments so far: Gauntlets of Doom \| Blade of the Elders \| Battle Axe My fanfic: Legend of the Soul Linker Two guides under construction: Orb Walking miniguide and Hero Balance miniguide.

08-26-2009, 12:28 AM	#14
The Observer Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Starton Manila. Posts: 5,629 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [ITEM]Menethil thanks for the support. __________________ Having a DotA 2 beta key is like being given a zombie cure. The mindless begging ends, along with the lack of social interaction with anyone. It's like you're all just there for the key, but once you get the key, the pain subsides and you get a little warmer inside.

09-12-2009, 07:11 AM	#15
The Observer Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Starton Manila. Posts: 5,629 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [ITEM]Menethil bump __________________ Having a DotA 2 beta key is like being given a zombie cure. The mindless begging ends, along with the lack of social interaction with anyone. It's like you're all just there for the key, but once you get the key, the pain subsides and you get a little warmer inside.

09-12-2009, 09:01 AM	#17
cp14 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: suramar Posts: 1,664 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [ITEM]Menethil yey new mealstrom PUGNA.

09-12-2009, 09:04 AM	#18
chadpiety123 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,616	Re: [ITEM]Menethil @Kuratz Many spells in Dota are dummy based. The only problem I see with this one is that when units are ethereal, you still won't be able to attack them (because it's hardcoded that way), so it's still useless in that sense. __________________ Hi, I'm new here. Hope people could help me out start a new suggestion!

09-12-2009, 09:28 AM	#19
The Observer Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Starton Manila. Posts: 5,629 Blog Entries: 1	Re: [ITEM]Menethil @jawawaQ yeah, kind of like that. numbers can be changed. __________________ Having a DotA 2 beta key is like being given a zombie cure. The mindless begging ends, along with the lack of social interaction with anyone. It's like you're all just there for the key, but once you get the key, the pain subsides and you get a little warmer inside.