[REMAKE] Urna Swarm

[NoThlnG]

Straight to the point. Change current to this

Carrion Beetle - (Active, Instant)



Notes:

• Beetles are invulnerable and unable to be controlled
• Each beetle has 100 hp and 2 armor
• Beetle with least hp will absorb the damage. If all beetle has same hp, the one in the last will absorb it
• Any positive buff that Anub'arak got will goes to beetles also. Means if Anub'arak becomes invisible, so do the beetles. If Anub'arak uses Phase Boots, beetles get the buff also
• Gain "Explode" as subskill (has 17/14/11/8 seconds cd)

[Biophase]

sounds awesome - a mixture of old and new skill - T-up

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by feelingparty

sounds awesome - a mixture of old and new skill - T-up

Err... Which one is old and new you are refer to?

[fr0zenknife]

yes. t-up nerf to map control and permasilence but in a way that does not make him underpowered

[Jackalist]

T-Up this is good

Originally Posted by feelingparty

sounds awesome - a mixture of old and new skill - T-up

What he meant maybe the damage absorb part that Spiked Carapace armor bonus give, together with damage at Beetle's death like damage return

[Fate Trap]

T-up the current anub'arak is really underpowered...

[Monsterlord]

Go for a constant 3 or 4 second silence at all levels and I'd be fairly happy with it.

[Hero Hunter]

Excellent skill: easier to controll, NA won't be so fragile anymore and great for early-game! An obvious t-up! I hope it gets implemented

Isn't 5 seconds silence too much? I think this guy is right:

Originally Posted by Monsterlord

Go for a constant 3 or 4 second silence at all levels and I'd be fairly happy with it.

If you reduce silence's duration, remember to reduce its cooldown as well.

And can we still put this skill on auto-cast?

[Necro]

I'm not sure.. I never really needed much of a defense skill for NA anyway.

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by Monsterlord

Go for a constant 3 or 4 second silence at all levels and I'd be fairly happy with it.

Hmm...

UPDATE :
- Silence is now 3 seconds at lv 1-2 and 4 seconds at lv 3-4
- Make the cooldown on explode scales (2 seconds lower at lv 4 than before)
- Give additional notes about beetles

Originally Posted by Necro

I'm not sure.. I never really needed much of a defense skill for NA anyway.

Beside defenses, this remake makes it's easier to control the beetles. And, if you're pro enough, you can use this skill + phase boots to trap enemies.

[darkhunter]

Since Nerubian Assassin is a squishy bug, he was never fit to be a tank. I always wondered why he was agi: i found out it was because of balance purposes, but still i suggested that he should be str. Now this would make him really balanced, since beetles won't be the FREE WARDS of the game, still maintaining agi status, and a little bit of tankishness finally

T-up

[simey]

it's imbalance. 5 beetles does 150 damage at same time, have 300 AOE, and silence effect.

[CannibalCorpse]

t-down current urna swarm is a very nice ganking tool.

[Monsterlord]

t-down current urna swarm is a very nice ganking tool.

There's a difference between "very nice" and "fucking gamebreaking". Urna needs a nerf to the number of beetles available so it focuses more on the aggressive aspect and less on the maphack.

[archimonde92]

T-up, same as other says.

[fan.god]

t-down. I think it is a bad nerf to NA. no more map-control. no more a alternative source of dmg and disable. which are much better for a ganker-born Nerubian Assassin, compared with a bit tankishness and uncontrollable beetles --> hard to aim for silence

but the idea of the skill is not bad. give it to a new hero.

[Jackalist]

Few people here don't understand NA at all, map control? NA might need it but micro-ing? Maybe limited to the necro book summons but 8 units?

[Hero Hunter]

Originally Posted by simey

it's imbalance. 5 beetles does 150 damage at same time, have 300 AOE, and silence effect.

I think you didn't understand this skill correctly. For 5 beetles exploding at the same time, it would demand an instant 2500 pure damage (or some more magic damage), which is quite impossible. 2500*20/100=500.

Ah, what happens if NA dies? I have two suggestions:
(EDITED using the idea of the post below)
1)Beetles burrow and disappear.
2)Beetles burrow, appear at the fountain and wait until NA is alive again.

[fr0zenknife]

^beetles fucking burrow and disapper. visual ftw.

Originally Posted by Trap Door

T-up the current anub'arak is really underpowered...

lulwut?

[NoThlnG]

Originally Posted by simey

it's imbalance. 5 beetles does 150 damage at same time, have 300 AOE, and silence effect.

Yeah, only if you got 2500 damage as Hero Hunter says. The active explosion has cooldown so it's impossible

Originally Posted by fan.god

t-down. I think it is a bad nerf to NA. no more map-control. no more a source of dmg alternative and disabled. Which are much better for a Nerubian Assassin ganker-born, compared with a bit tankishness and uncontrollable beetles -> hard to aim for silence

but the idea of the skill is not bad. give it to a new hero.

Yes, there is no more map control but the bonus damage and silence is still there with greater number, which means better synergies with current skills. The beetles are uncontrollable but it is easier to aim for silence. Since they are always nearby NA and you can control when they can explode without clicking the unit