[Axe] The infamous backdoor Axe!

invul_nerable · 05-22-2010, 12:13 PM

NOTE: IF YOU EXPECT THAT THIS IS FOR A COMPETITIVE SEEN GUIDE, YOU BETTER BACKOUT NOW!

25 + 2.5

20 + 2.2

14 + 1.6

Introduction:
One of the best backtowering(it is when you advance to kill the creeps and leaving enemy heroes level-less because of that) heroes on DotA, this guide tells you how to make your enemy insane by using your extreme backtowering power, if you are open-minded enough to follow my guide, then I welcome you to this guide to learn the backtowering tactic.

Requirement for this Guide
1. Courageous/Manly enough
2. Map awared
3. Good on Mapcontrol

Why Pick Axe
1. A good jungle hero, but for this guide, an excellent backtowering monster
2. The highest natural hp regeneration in the game
3. If you KS, allies will still benefit because of movement speed bonus
4. KS is assured if ulti is in range and requirements is met by the enemy
5. Has an unstoppable spinning action(even when Doom Bringer's ulti is still at you)!
6. He had a beard

When to Pick
a.lots of melee enemies
b.1 anti-tank hero
c.wanted some dicing spinning action

When not to pick
a.Many anti-tank heroes
b.Has 3 or more than stunners and disablers
c.If you are afraid to backlane.

Snake · 06-17-2010, 01:00 PM

I like your guide man, but you should fix this Lvl 1- Counter Helix / Berserker's Call, Counter Helix is a must at lvl 1. Good luck with your guide.

luigiaka · 06-17-2010, 01:02 PM

• Counter Helix checks for triggering whenever an attack against Axe begins, not when Axe is actually damaged by said attack.

That being said why isnt talisman of evasion there?

Lauqhter · 06-17-2010, 01:20 PM

Why not Helix/Call/Call?

The added duration/armour is more important extra game than the minimal damage increase.

Other than that, it's looking quite good.

invul_nerable · 06-17-2010, 01:44 PM

^Good point there man why not that? well of course it is optional

talisman of evasion is not here because you have the freakin BLADE MAIL.
all of theyre attack must be returned to them... well of course that item can be equipped on him.

ill fix the ones that looks broken

EDIT: looks like i have a problem... the guide got screwed up when i tried to change the name. it deleted half of its content

vmark41 · 06-20-2010, 10:52 AM

me wantz pic2res

invul_nerable · 06-20-2010, 12:38 PM

what do you mean? i see the icons clearly... someone please check this

TosS_GirL · 06-20-2010, 01:30 PM

youre guide is good. i like it, it uses all his skills unlike other guides because its easy to counter. but your technique makes it hard to counter. goodluck for your guide

[M]ao · 06-21-2010, 05:11 AM

i'm sorry i sincerely tried but i can't understand shyt in your gameplay discussion.
and what in the name of guinsoo is
"Heroes who needs targeting or needs to make enemies nearby"
jesus. go to school man.

ex-Skyforger · 06-21-2010, 05:19 AM

What backdoor?

Kik0Matchi · 06-21-2010, 05:31 AM

May i ask how encha becomes a backdoor monster? I know her talent for healing but as a solo backdoor hero, is it possible?

StormyMusic · 06-21-2010, 07:05 PM

not the best guide. lvl 1 backdoor axe can be killed by 2 stunners easily. u might get underlvled if the enemy decides to call a gank on u.however ur lane ally will be happy

LethalGear · 06-22-2010, 04:50 PM

you should put some replay =)

Kenshiro · 06-23-2010, 12:14 AM

I think the most disturbing thing in your guide is leveling up Battle Hunger, for 3 reasons :

a) As Zotmaster clearly showed in his guide, Battle Hunger's usefulness for chasing and killing is near zero. Battle Hunger's effectiveness is greatly diminished as soon as the targeted hero uses a Tango, and it's just barely effective at level 4 in the case the enemy is using JUST a Tango. This spell is easily dispelled as soon as the targeted hero makes a kill or even destroys a building.

Don't make us believe that backdooring will make Battle Hunger more effective, because there are 2 easy ways to dispell it ; call a gank on Axe and kill him, or go in the jungle and quickly kill a neutral creep.

In the seldom case you can't kill anything, just use a TP scroll to go back to the fountain.

b) Battle Hunger costs about as much as Berserker's Call ; because of Axe's poor mana pool/regen, the choice between these 2 skills is evident.

c) How do you solve Axe's poor mana pool/regen ? Blademail won't be enough, and I see nothing else in your Core to solve that problem, unless you put your Power Treads on INT when out of the combat (and even that wouldn't be enough...).

Another disturbing point is buying Power Treads, because (in your guide) you don't use the IAS. Your main selling point is tankiness through the extra 10 STR, for 950 gold. The extra 10 MS (compared to Boost of Speed) is virtually useless as you should use a Kelen's Dagger. If you need extra MS, Phase Boots and Boots of Travel are better choices.

For a comparable price, you could buy the following useful items on Axe :

a) Robe of the Magi + Chainmail (Blademail anyone ?) = 1000 gold
b) Vitality Booster = 1100 gold
c) Point Booster = 1200 gold
d) Helm of Iron Will (for Hood of Defiance) = 950 gold
e) Ring of Health = 875 gold
f) 2 Ring of Regeneration (same reason as e) ) = 700 gold
g) Urn of Shadows (if nobody else got it) = 875 gold
h) Magic Wand + Planewalker's Cloak = 1009 gold
i) Being a more effective Axe player = PRICELESS

For everything else, there is DotACard PwnerCard ! xD

Another very important point about skilling Battle Hunger instead of Stats is that it turns you into a pussy spellcaster instead of being that extremely manly hero that charges into the fray and that can still count (have enough mana) to pull off a successful Kelen's Dagger + Berserker's Call + Culling Beard combo !

"Do not tarnish the beard!" :P

zxdragon12 · 06-23-2010, 12:18 AM

Yeah I would recommend using the other guide than this. You left out key ingredients and also. You should include things like When to pick and when not to pick because usually if they get any hardcore nukes or stunners early game or even picking Ursa, just don't pick Axe.

invul_nerable · 06-23-2010, 11:10 AM

Encha is not really a backdoor monster IF you dont get untouchables. the creep would stop attacking if you had it. it makes delays on the enemies creep on the lane making the tower to take some damage

that is why i told you the 3 needs for this guide.
1) Map Awared
2) Courageous
3) Good on map control
this means that if they call a gank you must be awared at all times who's hero is missing. and not afraid to face the consequences on playing with this technique

ill try to show you a replay, if there's time i might play as axe and show you how is it done

i clearly stated there that Zotmaster's guide for some references, not the gamplay.

ill try to make the gamplay to be easy understandable. about the advice on the top, that might be a good idea. ill try imputing it if i have a free time.

ill try to make this guide to be a better guide.... and as for haters, why wouldn't you try it if youre manly enough.

NoThlnG · 06-23-2010, 11:33 AM

Well,

1. Counter helix just get 25 more damage each lvl while Berserker's Call gives you 0.5 second more disable and 5 bonus armor. So, IMO it's better to max out Call first then Helix. And for me, at lv 4 I go for stats instead if I play backdoor.

2. Also, you underestimate power of Phase. As you see, Berserker's Call is close range skill which is not that easy to use. And zero collision helps you able to get better position to attract more creeps since you can go between creeps instead of circling them.

3. Though it's situational, IMO, SR and BF really don't fit Axe. His skill isn't that much spam-able and as you say Axe needs hp much more than other things. For BF, it's much better to use Linken / Vangu for survivability. + dmg, as you say in PB, is unnecessary.

Nerubian Weaver · 06-25-2010, 08:40 PM

Several cases of bad grammar and punctuation, layout problems here and there, unnecessary jibber jabber, and slightly confusing. 5/10

aldrindale · 06-26-2010, 01:47 PM

hmmm. Good But i don't think when your backdoor skills will work from axe because the skills from 2-7 there's no CH. but i think it's ok.

mxma · 07-01-2010, 07:03 AM

You can't counter murloc by just wards dust gem and necro etc etc. if murloc decides to eat your team mates to get a large damage boost to prepare on eating you you're more than screwed. and helix affects invisible units. :\

05-22-2010, 12:13 PM	#1
invul_nerable Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Ethereal Plane Posts: 919	The infamous backdoor Axe! Hero Stats and Spells Builds Items(Early Game) Core Items and others Tactics Good and Bad NOTE: IF YOU EXPECT THAT THIS IS FOR A COMPETITIVE SEEN GUIDE, YOU BETTER BACKOUT NOW! 25 + 2.5 20 + 2.2 14 + 1.6 Introduction: One of the best backtowering(it is when you advance to kill the creeps and leaving enemy heroes level-less because of that) heroes on DotA, this guide tells you how to make your enemy insane by using your extreme backtowering power, if you are open-minded enough to follow my guide, then I welcome you to this guide to learn the backtowering tactic. Requirement for this Guide 1. Courageous/Manly enough 2. Map awared 3. Good on Mapcontrol Why Pick Axe 1. A good jungle hero, but for this guide, an excellent backtowering monster 2. The highest natural hp regeneration in the game 3. If you KS, allies will still benefit because of movement speed bonus 4. KS is assured if ulti is in range and requirements is met by the enemy 5. Has an unstoppable spinning action(even when Doom Bringer's ulti is still at you)! 6. He had a beard When to Pick a.lots of melee enemies b.1 anti-tank hero c.wanted some dicing spinning action When not to pick a.Many anti-tank heroes b.Has 3 or more than stunners and disablers c.If you are afraid to backlane. Alt + Tab miniguide Preferred by others build(can still backdoor) Lvl 1- Counter Helix Lvl 2- Berserk Call Lvl 3- Counter Helix Lvl 4- Berserk Call Lvl 5- Counter Helix Lvl 6- Culling Blade Lvl 7- Counter Helix Lvl 8- Berserk Call Lvl 9- Berserk Call Lvl 10- Stats Lvl 11- Culling Blade Lvl 12- Stats Lvl 13- Stats Lvl 14- Stats Lvl 15- Stats Lvl 16- Culling Blade Lvl 17-21- Stats Lvl 22-25- None/Battle Hunger Preferred by others build(standard build for Axe) Lvl 1- Counter Helix Lvl 2- Berserk Call Lvl 3- Counter Helix Lvl 4- Berserk Call Lvl 5- Counter Helix Lvl 6- Culling Blade Lvl 7- Counter Helix Lvl 8- Berserk Call Lvl 9- Berserk Call Lvl 10- Stats Lvl 11- Culling Blade Lvl 12- Stats Lvl 13- Stats Lvl 14- Stats Lvl 15- Stats Lvl 16- Culling Blade Lvl 17-21- Stats Lvl 22-25- None/Battle Hunger Skills Berserker's Call Mogul Kahn focuses all of his enemies' hatred on him, causing them to attack him at all costs. A great spell, this spell is what makes Axe a 'true tank' they say, because tanks are suppose to get all the damage, and this spell forces enemies to attack Axe above everyone else in a duration of time. Battle Hunger Afflicts a target with a terrible killing hunger. The target will take damage per second until it kills a unit. Essential to be leveled up in Early stages of the game if you really want to annoy enemies, though standard build says "No". In my guide, this spell is great. Slow is also extremely helpful in chases Counter Helix Mogul Kahn counters some blows made to him dealing damage to all nearby enemy units. This is the bread and butter spell of axe, because of this spell you can spin insanely as many times as your character would want to kill creep waves and enemies, it also synergizes with 1st spell because of this reason. • Counter Helix checks for triggering whenever an attack against Axe begins, not when Axe is actually damaged by said attack. Culling Blade Purges the weak from Mogul Kahn's sight. Deals moderate damage, but will kill a target that is low on life. The icing of the cake spell, the ultimate KS tool, but recent changes make it team oriented because it adds ms on the AoE where the opponent was killed, which is good because allies would think "its ok for you to KS because we would gain ms because of that so we can chase other fleeing enemies" The Normal Backtower Build Lvl 1- Counter Helix Lvl 2- Berserker Call Lvl 3- Counter Helix Lvl 4- Berserker Call Lvl 5- Counter Helix Lvl 6- Culling Blade Lvl 7- Battle Hunger Lvl 8- Battle Hunger Lvl 9- Battle Hunger Lvl 10- Battle Hunger/ Culling Blade Lvl 11- Culling Blade Lvl 12- Culling Blade Lvl 13-15- Stats Lvl 16- Culling Blade Lvl 17-25- Stats Nothing really special about this build except the fact that you level'd Battle Hunger, because some other guide miss to see the power of this spell, plus it got slow. A relatively safe build for Axe. Advance Backtower Build Lvl 1- Counter Helix Lvl 2- Battle Hunger Lvl 3- Counter Helix Lvl 4- Battle Hunger Lvl 5- Counter Helix Lvl 6- Culling Blade Lvl 7- Counter Helix Lvl 8- Battle Hunger/Berserk Call Lvl 9- Battle Hunger/Berserk Call Lvl 10- Berserk Call Lvl 11- Culling Blade Lvl 12-14 Berserk Call/Battle Hunger Lvl 15- Stats Lvl 16- Culling Blade Lvl 17-25- Stats Seeing something unusual? Yes, the max Battle Hunger before Berserk Call build. You might think this is ridiculous but this is really useful and powerful especially a lot of chasing is would be done by backlane Axe. But i do not recommend you on doing this because your ally may have a possibility of calling you a "noob" because you didn't skill Berserk Call, but this skill makes sense to backlane axe because you wipe out theyre creep instantly making them hard time trying to figure out how to remove Battle Hunger. It really depends on your preference though. I do fail on using this sometimes, but most often i dominate my enemies. And dont talk to me about late game, he has more mana than he can use in that time of the game Justification: This is not just any other Axe build, this build is specialized on backtowering enemy tower. Why Max Counter Helix first then Berserker's Call? For this is your main backtowering skill, it will help you piss off your enemies as well as erasing enemy creep wave Why Get Battle Hunger? Because this Guide will give you a lot of chasing, and scare-ing your enemies. They would have a hard time trying to knock you down and also removing battle hunger which is by the way slowly killing them, battle hunger slow is also handy for chasing and escaping. in 5v5 Basic Items Early (not core items) Salve- 100 Tangoes- 90 Town Portal- 135 Stout Shield- 250 Total= 575 or 2x Stout Shield- 250 Tangoes- 90 or Salve- 100 Total- 600 below Core Items Boots of Speed Yes, a lot is chasing to be done and you need some MS Town Portal Yes, buy this again if you have a chance to. this will make the chase more harder for enemies more easier to you Wards As i said you need MAP AWARENESS, but you do not really need to buy these, you can tell your support ally to buy some for you.. Core Extension Items A must items to buy(in order) Power Threads If you feel you need strength stats, buy this, this can also help adding your mana so dont forget to switch boots attribute when needed. The only downfall of this boots is that the fact that a lot of other boots can outrun you because of low ms addition, but if you feel you need stat and attackspeed, get it. Phaseboots Phase boots, as oppose to the 1st release of my guide where I said that phase boots is not good at him, a few years later, I realized that this boots is also good for Axe, because like i said, there would be a lot of chasing, plus phase which make you pass through creeps. Arcane boots This boot is also a good choice for Axe, it would help your mana problems early game and you can dismantle it for a better item lategame. Boots of Travel If you riced alot of money then why not? But this can delay many of your items, but anyway, its your own preference, it has a handy TP to help your allies whenever they are in trouble Vanguard Yes, this. provides you HP, HP regeneration, and damage block. perfect for a tank like axe. Especially on backtowering Why not Poorman's shield? well that item is acceptable, but as for the top HP is the thing that you really wanted to get here. Plus bonus regeneration and damage block. Kelen's Dagger of Escape a.k.a. Blink Dagger Yes, Axe's best friends, for it gives you a decent initiating combo, and a decent escape mechanism. It can switch prioritization on Blade Mail Why not Lothar's? For it is easy counter-able by Gem, Dust, and Wards. plus it is more expensive than Blink Dagger Blade Mail Blade mail is situational, but this guide requires this to you, you can switch places on prioritization on blink dagger if you want to Why this as priority item? For Backdoor Axe needs armor and intelligence to make him spam his skills and return for counter on his greatest weakness. Situational items Soul Ring Introducing a new item from 6.67, the soul ring. this will help you to spam all your skills easily without mana problems. Hood of Defiance Yes, the Hood of Defiance also known as HoD, you can use this if the enemy throwing a lot of spells to you making you insanely useless Khadgars Pipe of Insight If youre a team oriented player and wanted to support, buy this If you really like supporting, why not? Not to mention it will also be handy to yourself both offensively and defensively(pure damage is no joke) So you are really that team oriented? Increases ms of team especially when stack is used, also useful for chasing. Black King Bar Also known as BKB.... this item is very situational especially if a ton of disable is coming your way. don't hesitate to buy this if enemies has a lot of disabling skill Battle Fury Adds your pushing ability plus extra hp and mana regeneration Luxury Items Aghanim's Scepter want to pawn them instantly in every minute? Buy this Heart of Tarrasque Do you see its hypnotizing light? Yes and it says buy it. Gives you hp and good hp regeneration, but quite useless during team fight though. Shiva's Guard Yes, you can freeze them and burn them at the same time Assault Cuirass This help you tank more, plus adds attackspeed both allies and you, dont forget the reduction of enemies armor. Radiance Feel its Christmas? buy this and it will ensure that they will have some Christmas lights on their own. to Talisman of Evasion to Butterfly luigiaka says that "Counter Helix checks for triggering whenever an attack against Axe begins, not when Axe is actually damaged by said attack." so this means less damage from autoattacks, more spinning action! Plus it had attackspeed increase. Guinsoo Scythe of Vyse Yes this is a nice disable, plus mana regeneration. Now eat them like a chicken. the game still does not end? then you have a problem Most important part Gameplay Now, to your most awaited part, the gameplay. This is where the lots of chasing part will happen, i repeat this is not for noobs nor newbs guide but this is for the players who is quite decent. But of course noobs and newbs can still try this technique. Early Game Yes at last we reached on discussion on early game. This is the insane chasing im telling you starts. After having your items, waste no time, run to your self appointed place, if they question you, tell them "i am manlier than any of you, thats why i claim this lane" for the lulz, or just dont listen to them. If you are in sentinel go top, if your scourge go bottom Why? because the most appropriate place for you to do this technique is on those sides(long lane) This tactic would be more effective if you have a healer support in your lane to help you gain health which is important to you. Special mention Dazzle Simple Distraction Technique I. 1st Technique a. Prepare yourself in the middle of 1st and 2nd top tower b. Let the first wave of creeps pass or you could go and kill them, but i recommend you to let the 1st wave to pass because it adds the element of surprise c. Lore creeps on the seconds wave to creep camps for optimum cashing and kill em all, or Just kill the creeps on the lane. (Note: if enemy hero/heroes is missing, hide. Because real man uses tactics. Its either you surprise attack them or let them pass, your call. Its better if you attack them if they are lvl gapped by 2 lvl's) d. Repeat step c. all over and over again until you are really farmed (Note: If your Hp is already low, TP home or if you have regeneration items TP to your lane tower and Use it) Note: If you get the advanced backdoor build or you if have battle hunger, spark the enemies head in order for them to return lane to last hit, or get damage. And also be MAP AWARED, if you see 3-5 heroes missing, they probably gonna hunt you because you annoyed them, if that happened, it means that you are really successful on what you have done because you annoyed the crap out of them delaying theyre cashing. b. WTF ill kill you distraction 1st technique a. Wait on the middle of 2nd and 3rd tower(Note: dont wait near it, just stay hidden on the on the woods and if the right time comes show yourself) b. Again kill the 2nd creeps wave(Remember: Map Awareness) c. Repeat step 2 all over and over again(Note: if they got mad they'll and come and kill you, consider this as a success. TP home or just right on your laning tower if your Hp is still considerable) Note: if you get the advanced backdoor build or you if have battle hunger, spark the enemies head in order for them to return lane to last hit, or get damage. And also be MAP AWARED Mid Game: if you are farmed well and have the Core extension items. battle hunger+blink+berserk+Ulti, thats it enemy is down or if you have blademail you can blink+berserk+Hunger+Ulti. Just be careful on anti-tank heroes and other counters Late Game: Continue the technique and activate those luxury items and the game ends. Heroes who helps you Initiators etc. You fail to initiate? they'll save youre ass on the epic failure you made. AoE nukers Yes they benefit from you. IF you initiated well of course Backdoor Monster's and Babysitter Heroes of course babysitters, in order to constant heal him when his hp is down, enchantress is both a backlane monster and a support. 2 in 1 Heroes to beware Mana Burners You already know you have mana problems... they will make it worse for you The Ursa Warrior Yes you want to tank, but he wants to hit. Good thing Mr. Blade Mail is here to save you from this foe, but usually, ursa goes for BKB, and if that happens, dont solo your face on this pedobear, he'll rape you, unless you got a blademail. The Life Stealer This anti tank hero will screw you. Blade Mail does not return to magic immune units. Hunt this guy on the jungle and dont let him have his core items The Murloc Well not really a problem on killing him WHEN visible, if he's invisible. Youre screwed up. Counter him by Gem and Wards Credits Zotmaster's Axe Guide for some references need help for map on the Gameplay... a map arrow pointing the middle of top scourge 1st and second towers and 2nd and 3rd towers and also to the bottom sentinel 1st and 2nd towers, and 2nd and 3rd towers thank you

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06-17-2010, 01:00 PM	#2
Snake Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Venezuela Posts: 1,141	Re: The infamous backdoor Axe! I like your guide man, but you should fix this Lvl 1- Counter Helix / Berserker's Call, Counter Helix is a must at lvl 1. Good luck with your guide.

06-17-2010, 01:02 PM	#3
luigiaka Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 347	Re: The infamous backdoor Axe! • Counter Helix checks for triggering whenever an attack against Axe begins, not when Axe is actually damaged by said attack. That being said why isnt talisman of evasion there? __________________

06-17-2010, 01:20 PM	#4
Lauqhter Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 12	Re: The infamous backdoor Axe! Why not Helix/Call/Call? The added duration/armour is more important extra game than the minimal damage increase. Other than that, it's looking quite good.

06-17-2010, 01:44 PM	#5
invul_nerable Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Ethereal Plane Posts: 919	Re: The infamous backdoor Axe! ^Good point there man why not that? well of course it is optional talisman of evasion is not here because you have the freakin BLADE MAIL. all of theyre attack must be returned to them... well of course that item can be equipped on him. ill fix the ones that looks broken EDIT: looks like i have a problem... the guide got screwed up when i tried to change the name. it deleted half of its content __________________ Hero Suggestions Guide Serene Whisperhunt, Huntress / Griffin, Storm Rider / Buzadin the Dwarven Warrior / Hell Hound, Soul Devourer / Sapphiron, Frost Wyrm / Erico, Forsaken Architect / Gabriel, Seraphim Infamous lane Axe! (PM me for reviews, I warn you that i am a critic, you might not like what is my opinion)

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06-20-2010, 10:52 AM	#6
vmark41 Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 104	New Comment me wantz pic2res

06-20-2010, 12:38 PM	#7
invul_nerable Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Ethereal Plane Posts: 919	Re: The infamous backdoor Axe! what do you mean? i see the icons clearly... someone please check this __________________ Hero Suggestions Guide Serene Whisperhunt, Huntress / Griffin, Storm Rider / Buzadin the Dwarven Warrior / Hell Hound, Soul Devourer / Sapphiron, Frost Wyrm / Erico, Forsaken Architect / Gabriel, Seraphim Infamous lane Axe! (PM me for reviews, I warn you that i am a critic, you might not like what is my opinion)

06-20-2010, 01:30 PM	#8
TosS_GirL Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 40	New Comment youre guide is good. i like it, it uses all his skills unlike other guides because its easy to counter. but your technique makes it hard to counter. goodluck for your guide

06-21-2010, 05:11 AM	#9
[M]ao Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 32	Re: The infamous backdoor Axe! i'm sorry i sincerely tried but i can't understand shyt in your gameplay discussion. and what in the name of guinsoo is "Heroes who needs targeting or needs to make enemies nearby" jesus. go to school man. __________________ (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your (")_(") signature to help him gain world domination.

06-21-2010, 05:19 AM	#10
ex-Skyforger Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: DC&RC Posts: 2,969	Re: The infamous backdoor Axe! What backdoor?

06-21-2010, 05:31 AM	#11
Kik0Matchi Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pinas Posts: 640	Re: The infamous backdoor Axe! May i ask how encha becomes a backdoor monster? I know her talent for healing but as a solo backdoor hero, is it possible? __________________ Pinoy Republican Awesomeness I want to be a HOST!

06-21-2010, 07:05 PM	#12
StormyMusic Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 91	New Comment not the best guide. lvl 1 backdoor axe can be killed by 2 stunners easily. u might get underlvled if the enemy decides to call a gank on u.however ur lane ally will be happy

06-22-2010, 04:50 PM	#13
LethalGear Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 11	New Comment you should put some replay =)

06-23-2010, 12:14 AM	#14
Kenshiro Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Land of Asura Posts: 1,189	New Comment I think the most disturbing thing in your guide is leveling up Battle Hunger, for 3 reasons : a) As Zotmaster clearly showed in his guide, Battle Hunger's usefulness for chasing and killing is near zero. Battle Hunger's effectiveness is greatly diminished as soon as the targeted hero uses a Tango, and it's just barely effective at level 4 in the case the enemy is using JUST a Tango. This spell is easily dispelled as soon as the targeted hero makes a kill or even destroys a building. Don't make us believe that backdooring will make Battle Hunger more effective, because there are 2 easy ways to dispell it ; call a gank on Axe and kill him, or go in the jungle and quickly kill a neutral creep. In the seldom case you can't kill anything, just use a TP scroll to go back to the fountain. b) Battle Hunger costs about as much as Berserker's Call ; because of Axe's poor mana pool/regen, the choice between these 2 skills is evident. c) How do you solve Axe's poor mana pool/regen ? Blademail won't be enough, and I see nothing else in your Core to solve that problem, unless you put your Power Treads on INT when out of the combat (and even that wouldn't be enough...). Another disturbing point is buying Power Treads, because (in your guide) you don't use the IAS. Your main selling point is tankiness through the extra 10 STR, for 950 gold. The extra 10 MS (compared to Boost of Speed) is virtually useless as you should use a Kelen's Dagger. If you need extra MS, Phase Boots and Boots of Travel are better choices. For a comparable price, you could buy the following useful items on Axe : a) Robe of the Magi + Chainmail (Blademail anyone ?) = 1000 gold b) Vitality Booster = 1100 gold c) Point Booster = 1200 gold d) Helm of Iron Will (for Hood of Defiance) = 950 gold e) Ring of Health = 875 gold f) 2 Ring of Regeneration (same reason as e) ) = 700 gold g) Urn of Shadows (if nobody else got it) = 875 gold h) Magic Wand + Planewalker's Cloak = 1009 gold i) Being a more effective Axe player = PRICELESS For everything else, there is DotACard PwnerCard ! xD Another very important point about skilling Battle Hunger instead of Stats is that it turns you into a pussy spellcaster instead of being that extremely manly hero that charges into the fray and that can still count (have enough mana) to pull off a successful Kelen's Dagger + Berserker's Call + Culling Beard combo ! "Do not tarnish the beard!" :P

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06-23-2010, 11:10 AM	#16
invul_nerable Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Ethereal Plane Posts: 919	Re: The infamous backdoor Axe! Encha is not really a backdoor monster IF you dont get untouchables. the creep would stop attacking if you had it. it makes delays on the enemies creep on the lane making the tower to take some damage that is why i told you the 3 needs for this guide. 1) Map Awared 2) Courageous 3) Good on map control this means that if they call a gank you must be awared at all times who's hero is missing. and not afraid to face the consequences on playing with this technique ill try to show you a replay, if there's time i might play as axe and show you how is it done i clearly stated there that Zotmaster's guide for some references, not the gamplay. ill try to make the gamplay to be easy understandable. about the advice on the top, that might be a good idea. ill try imputing it if i have a free time. ill try to make this guide to be a better guide.... and as for haters, why wouldn't you try it if youre manly enough. __________________ Hero Suggestions Guide Serene Whisperhunt, Huntress / Griffin, Storm Rider / Buzadin the Dwarven Warrior / Hell Hound, Soul Devourer / Sapphiron, Frost Wyrm / Erico, Forsaken Architect / Gabriel, Seraphim Infamous lane Axe! (PM me for reviews, I warn you that i am a critic, you might not like what is my opinion)

06-23-2010, 11:33 AM	#17
NoThlnG Forum Staff Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Nowhere Posts: 14,371 Blog Entries: 8	Re: The infamous backdoor Axe! Well, 1. Counter helix just get 25 more damage each lvl while Berserker's Call gives you 0.5 second more disable and 5 bonus armor. So, IMO it's better to max out Call first then Helix. And for me, at lv 4 I go for stats instead if I play backdoor. 2. Also, you underestimate power of Phase. As you see, Berserker's Call is close range skill which is not that easy to use. And zero collision helps you able to get better position to attract more creeps since you can go between creeps instead of circling them. 3. Though it's situational, IMO, SR and BF really don't fit Axe. His skill isn't that much spam-able and as you say Axe needs hp much more than other things. For BF, it's much better to use Linken / Vangu for survivability. + dmg, as you say in PB, is unnecessary. __________________ Assassin's Creed Helpful Links Suggestions Epic Quotes . Credits to Lotus V Eater . . How to Get Your Suggestion Implemented Custom Model GIF Request Suggestion Assisstor's Thread Guides, Lists and Templates How to Become a Moderator . . Suggestion Portfolio My Ability Collections .

06-25-2010, 08:40 PM	#18
Nerubian Weaver Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cananda Posts: 372	New Comment Several cases of bad grammar and punctuation, layout problems here and there, unnecessary jibber jabber, and slightly confusing. 5/10

06-26-2010, 01:47 PM	#19
aldrindale Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 13	New Comment hmmm. Good But i don't think when your backdoor skills will work from axe because the skills from 2-7 there's no CH. but i think it's ok.

07-01-2010, 07:03 AM	#20
mxma Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Inside Posts: 932	New Comment You can't counter murloc by just wards dust gem and necro etc etc. if murloc decides to eat your team mates to get a large damage boost to prepare on eating you you're more than screwed. and helix affects invisible units. :\