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Old 05-24-2010, 09:29 PM   #1
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So just finished up a Thr2 game. I was playing sf, freefarming against a tree/es lane (lol). Got 11m BoT's/bottle and 20m BoT/bottle/Blink. So im farming up a storm, doing well, team starts to get ganked. Opposing weaver gets farmed as fuck, gets a 22 minute radiance and eventually a 30m linkens after going wicked sick.

Basically, my team blames me saying i farmed for too long and that i shouldve gotten lothars/stats items, instead of blink. Says that they didnt feed weaver and that weaver shouldve been ganked by me, and i shouldve bought wards/dust.

Essentially, who was right? With BoT/Blink should a SF take free-farm or gank?
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:32 PM   #2
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dont get blink if your team is a bunch of morons. farm manta
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:33 PM   #3
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How many SF-item threads does a forum need? srsly -.-
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:38 PM   #4
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dont get blink if your team is a bunch of morons. farm manta
This.
Although blink is generally the *correct* item, if you are playing with retards go hardcore carry. Keeping in mind blink offers no stats and if used in a pub (with team mates with limited mental capabilities) often throws you into the middle of a fight with no support. Lothars can be a supierior item in that it offers you an *easier* escape mech, allows you to bait your teammates, offers more stats/dps than blink.

Manta is ofc the go to item on ranged agi heroes. Aids pushing, major dps increase, allows stun dodge etc.

As for countering the weaver, don't be a stinge; raze 3 creeps buy some dust and tell your teammates "STUN WEAVER".
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:39 PM   #5
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Having the carry buy the dust/wards.. Eh..?

Without a replay, it's hard to say who's right. But you're probably both right. Depending on the level of the game, Lothars could have been ok, but I still think Dagger beats it on SF. You should probably have helped a bit out with ganks, from what I can read, but on the other hand; a farmed SF is no joke and can win games.

Depending on your team, one of your teammates should probably have rushed necromicon, since it's a decent counter for weaver, although if he/she(what gender is that bug??) gets too fed, there's not much to do.

Conclusion; you should have helped out a bit more with ganks, but not have bought dust/wards, and your team should probably have played more defensive if their weaver went on to be wicked sick.
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:42 PM   #6
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at least either one or both of lothar/blink dagger and then get bkb

then manta and skadi and pwn
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:52 PM   #7
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Thanks, i think the misconception i forgot to mention was that we had a centuar with dagon, a viper, a venomancer, myself, and an enchantress. Stuns/Disables were VERY lacking, especially since centuar opted for dagon(lol) over a blink.

Regardless, i will transform this thread.

The swarm, what the fuck is that OP shit?
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:56 PM   #8
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Having the carry buy the dust/wards.. Eh..?
Me thinks he was playing a pub (centuar did go dagon after all). So yes, whatever is necessary to win the game I would recommend.
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Old 05-24-2010, 10:13 PM   #9
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I'm told that if you don't want to afk rice, don't pick SF.
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Old 05-24-2010, 10:24 PM   #10
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it totally depends on your team and opponents, if you are going to gank them, do you have to initiate? if yes, buy blink, if not, buy lothars. and yes, you should indeed go gank after getting BoT, Bottle and Dagger..... and no, actually you shouldn't be carrying the dust and such..
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Old 05-25-2010, 03:05 AM   #11
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Take the free farm? Did you win?
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Old 05-25-2010, 03:11 AM   #12
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Best SF player in the world goes, Treads, Bkb, Blink, Manta, Bfly, Sheepstick, treads turns into BoT later
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Old 05-25-2010, 03:43 AM   #13
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You can't expect to try some competitive or "pro" SF build and have it magically work in a pub game where your allies are useless and all pick carries. You really need a somewhat coordinated team to make that build effective.

In your situation I would get treads, lothar's, and Manta. What good is a dagger when you die instantly after the blink due to paper hp with useless allies and no support? Bot is ok, but I still prefer treads for the extra hp on SF, you can always get a BOT much later if you actually need it.

Bot and Dagger is also a shit ton of gold for almost zero offensive power or survivability.
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Old 05-25-2010, 05:24 AM   #14
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Bot and Dagger is also a shit ton of gold for almost zero offensive power or survivability.
essentially wrong.
dagger/tp escape is power survival.
ulti placement/counterganking is power offense.
however i get what you mean.
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Old 05-25-2010, 05:32 AM   #15
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Dagger is still better cause it comes with the element of surprise.
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Old 05-25-2010, 08:29 AM   #16
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So just finished up a Thr2 game. I was playing sf, freefarming against a tree/es lane (lol). Got 11m BoT's/bottle and 20m BoT/bottle/Blink. So im farming up a storm, doing well, team starts to get ganked. Opposing weaver gets farmed as fuck, gets a 22 minute radiance and eventually a 30m linkens after going wicked sick.

Basically, my team blames me saying i farmed for too long and that i shouldve gotten lothars/stats items, instead of blink. Says that they didnt feed weaver and that weaver shouldve been ganked by me, and i shouldve bought wards/dust.

Essentially, who was right? With BoT/Blink should a SF take free-farm or gank?
You should've ganked (but you do need farm too), but the loss was not your fault alone.

Your allies should've got wards/dust. But if they didn't you should've took the initiative and got it.

As for Lothars/Stats, I'd say ignore them and go for whats best for you.
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:32 AM   #17
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Sf with blink means you want to gank and initiate=
You need a team behind you.
So if you get all that free farm and wanted to carry in pubs you should've done what pubs do..
Skadi Treads (2omins) Dom BKB (30mins) Butter Assault (40min).
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:34 AM   #18
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Picking SF against Weaver is a bad idea really.
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:54 AM   #19
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^ not really, if you got 1 competent disabler in your team hes instakill
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