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Old 05-27-2010, 12:31 AM   #1
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Default Strongest Late game carry hero with full items


I believe it goes to faceless void with his permabash and chronosphere. But a friend of mind says that PL with a guinsoo counters him since full items means you have no gem. He also said that Spectre with blade mail/mantra/evasion counters him also. Slardar can also counter Void he says. Doombringer also can be on par with void since lifesteal is cancelled by doom. He says that many hero can stay alive after chrono if given the appropriate items (evasion, armor and hp buffs). He also says that skeleton king can kill void since chronosphere cannot be used twice to counter reincarnation. Naga siren too can kill void full item versus full item.

Is it true? I have yet to try but I don't underestimate the power of chronosphere to a full item faceless void.


Edit: I'm asking this question for curiosity sake. So please don't you go "Dota is not meant for 1v1" on me okay?


Edit: I'm asking this assuming that the one who controls faceless void is a pro. Meaning that he intends to kill his enemy through time walk-chronosphere combo from block map that it will happen so fast that even if an enemy has a guinsoo, he will be caught unaware and has no time to use it before he was chronoed. I'm experimenting on this. I mean I was practicing to guinsoo void after he has time-walked in me but the combo can happen so fast that you will not have the time to click the guinsoo on void. The only thing i can do is leap or windwalk since it is not a targetted skill. Do you get my point? So meaning, in most cases for a fight with void, he will be the first one to hit you since he has chrono.

Edit: Everyone, this is hypothetical question. Please assume that all heroes are in full set of items and in max level. No other ally heroes, no towers, just a clash of two 1v1 carries.
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Old 05-27-2010, 12:33 AM   #2
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there are always counters and DotA is not ment to be played like a 1on1 so you can't say who is the "best" carry. You can ask for the carry with the highest dps late late game and I would go for TB in this case.
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Old 05-27-2010, 12:35 AM   #3
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tinker with guinsoo/ghost scepter pwn void with any ammount of item so tinker is strongest late gamer carry
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Old 05-27-2010, 12:35 AM   #4
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full farmed i would go for ursa or PA just a few hits and ur done for
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Old 05-27-2010, 12:38 AM   #5
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ghost staff counters him pretty well

also you missed gorgon/obsidian/storm/sylla(12 items) are missing off your list, and i wouldnt say no to a kunkka with a divine or 2.

bear in mind sylla can cast items such as guinsoo/shivas/necro/dagon with bloodstone
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Old 05-27-2010, 12:42 AM   #6
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There is a clear answer:

In terms of 1on1 it is Darkterror, Faceless Void

With full equipment he takes out any other carry with his ulti and his backtrack stacks with evasion very well.

the problem is, he is a bad farmer who needs good support the whole game. moreover, any other any carry can beat him if they have better support or sick aoe that kills voids support very fast and leaves him alone on the battlefield.
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Old 05-27-2010, 12:52 AM   #7
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Faceless void isn't the best.

PL is the best carry in a game with more than one hero on each team. Even 1v1 he beats void.

His damage is amazing, and it is nearly immpossible to find the real one. If he even gets manta off(which he will be able to), void will waste half the chronotime trying to find the real one. Plus, PL will have evasion from bfly, and mkb doesn't give as. And if he doesn't kill pl before chrono's done he will die.

I have yet to see anything be able to fight a fully farmed PL, even a half farmed PL is able to take out most anything.
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PL is the best carry in a game with more than one hero on each team. Even 1v1 he beats void.
one dust and void beats the shit out of a fully farmed pl. lancer depends so hard on his invisibility. but he is a better team carry i admit and he is more likely to have more gold for rebuy.

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one dust and void beats the shit out of a fully farmed pl
still he has to find the right one 'cause he won't use his doublewalk to initate. He will trigger manta, then he nukes, then he attacks = 4 illiusions before he even started to attacking void + 1 dust means 1 high tier item less for void.
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Void. 5 Seconds of free hits, then permabash. If necessary, you can sheep and orchid them too Lol.
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Old 05-27-2010, 01:08 AM   #11
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tinker with guinsoo/ghost scepter pwn void with any ammount of item so tinker is strongest late gamer carry
This. Tinker can rape void, pl, and mortred without getting touched. These "WHo is the hardest carry lategame" threads are getting old. They just attract noobs.
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Old 05-27-2010, 01:21 AM   #12
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also any1 who doesnt build a ghost staff (mentioned a few times int his thread already ) 1v1 against void fails hard. Ghost staff counters so many of these -em pro lategame heroes anyway. Tinker has been mentioned already. 1v1 lategame i would play krob and fuck your base with ulti and ghost staff/lothars sod actually fighting the well farmed carry.
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Old 05-27-2010, 01:25 AM   #13
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^ You both fail.

This. Tinker can rape void, pl, and mortred without getting touched. These "WHo is the hardest carry lategame" threads are getting old. They just attract noobs.
no, if they have bkb>tinker
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Old 05-27-2010, 01:41 AM   #14
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There's no such thing as "strongest late game carry with full items". This topic is too vague, full item can means lots of different combination of items. Any carry can pwn other carry with normal build if he got 4 rapier 1 aegis 1 boots. PL can win PA if he got manta diff heart rad but if PA goes for 2-3 bfury PL gets owned.

In dota, every hero has their own counter hero. Saying which hero is best is like saying scissors is best in the game rock-paper-scissors.

And lastly it also depends on the player skill itself. A good NW can beat a noob troll even with full build.
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Old 05-27-2010, 01:46 AM   #15
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void with 3 bf,2 divines and 1 cuirass beats your pl anytime
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There's no such thing as "strongest late game carry with full items". This topic is too vague, full item can means lots of different combination of items. Any carry can pwn other carry with normal build if he got 4 rapier 1 aegis 1 boots. PL can win PA if he got manta diff heart rad but if PA goes for 2-3 bfury PL gets owned.

In dota, every hero has their own counter hero. Saying which hero is best is like saying scissors is best in the game rock-paper-scissors.

And lastly it also depends on the player skill itself. A good NW can beat a noob troll even with full build.
when we say full item, we mean the full set of items a certain player will get to a specific hero. We can have sven with 6 heart of tarrasques as his full set of items but we all know that is not the case in reality. We are to think the most possible items applicable to a hero for the benefit of this hypothetical question.
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no, if they have bkb>tinker
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Void with Crits, MKB if necessary, MoM and Divines.
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BKB and ghost scepter can counter anyone.
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It is either Void or Terrorblade.
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Depends on the other heroes ... as such there is no such hero ....

e.g. void chronos , he might get stunned by an enemy outside chrono or people inside get enuf time to activare ghost sceptre ...
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Ghost scepter refresh > BKB
I'm getting Lina with dagon 5 , good luck with your ghost scep tinker.
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Depends on the other heroes ... as such there is no such hero ....

e.g. void chronos , he might get stunned by an enemy outside chrono or people inside get enuf time to activare ghost sceptre ...

Please read the conditions to this hypothetical question as I've mentioned in my topic post. ^_^
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I'm getting Lina with dagon 5 , good luck with your ghost scep tinker.
not really sure this thread is making sense anymore first we talk about hypothetical 1v1 situations then suddenly more than 1. In this case what sort of tinker whould activate ghost staff in this situation? hed probably manta style clone your ass in this case.

anyway OT i go back to what i said earlier play krob and rape their base - who cares about fighting an imba carry lategame when you can rape there rax with level 3 ult and lothars/bkb/ghost scepter?
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I thought carries are supposed to bring their team to victory by team wipeout the enemies and rax with uber dps, not to show off in a 1 vs 1 fight.That's my definition of carries..

your correct perception would be hardcore physical dps machines, not carries..in that case, I would go for obsidian with +400 pure damage if fully farmed or Zesty mentioned tinker, which is good too.
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Destroyers Orb and Imprisonment is blocked by bkb, bash is not !
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Doom. Shutdown items and skills for 14 seconds as long as he could cast it first.
Tinker. Perma hex+ghostscept.

Don't know how both would handle PL images though. Maybe there is no best 1v1 hero.
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Doom. Shutdown items and skills for 14 seconds as long as he could cast it first.
Tinker. Perma hex+ghostscept.

Don't know how both would handle PL images though. Maybe there is no best 1v1 hero.
Doom: Scorched earth. You can see who is the real hero by telling who gets damaged the least.
Tinker: March of the Machines. Same story.
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To OP:
How can void dust for the real pl if pl initiated and pl is in a chrono having 2+ images out... what kind of idiot pl uses doppel right in the beginning to limit his own escape.

Also: jungle a few images out, send to void, void panics, chrono-timewalk or something, laugh. Get your images back out in 3 secs. Laugh even harder.

Void gets dust AND refresher? <- wtf. Two slots of possible tier 4's gone. Also, pl just has to image again.

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not really sure this thread is making sense anymore first we talk about hypothetical 1v1 situations then suddenly more than 1. In this case what sort of tinker whould activate ghost staff in this situation? hed probably manta style clone your ass in this case.
Lina with dagon5, hex , blink and refresher.

Blink in, do rape combo, refresh and repeat. Kills every hero in the game.
That is why 1v1 is a silly topic to begin with.
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Other than Tinker, I can't name one hero that can beat a decked out Tiny. Craggy fucks up every single DPS hero, while avatoss allows easy clearing of illusions.
I have said this thousands of times before, and it still remains true.
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No real answer. X counters Y counters Z counters X etc.

IMO PL is the strongest, he could definitely kill void 1v1 unless he has no images by the time chronosphere is cast.
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Faceless Void is the best 1on1 carry.

Refresher BKB MKB PT MoM and Buriza.

I want someone to survive +10 second aoe ulti+permbash

If you are facing invis hero, BKB -> Gem/sentrys.
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There is a clear answer:

In terms of 1on1 it is Darkterror, Faceless Void

With full equipment he takes out any other carry with his ulti and his backtrack stacks with evasion very well.

the problem is, he is a bad farmer who needs good support the whole game. moreover, any other any carry can beat him if they have better support or sick aoe that kills voids support very fast and leaves him alone on the battlefield.
All hard carries like void,naga,pl, troll use physical attacks. Hence. i will say that tinker with ghost scepter or ethereal blade laughs at them. Therefore will full items, tinker wins them all. Regards to PL's invi, necronomicon can counter it. also nobody said it is not allowed that you place down wards all over the map before equipping your items
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Other than Tinker, I can't name one hero that can beat a decked out Tiny. Craggy fucks up every single DPS hero, while avatoss allows easy clearing of illusions.
I have said this thousands of times before, and it still remains true.
At full items good PLs get HoT instead of Vlads hence ava+toss will no longer clear PL ilusions. Also even if you clear them after ava+toss pl will just generate more images while tiny can't do anything but whack them. and diffusal makes sure you can no longer use ava+toss a second time. Even with craggy PL and images are sure to get some hits, it may take a while but tiny will still fall
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Lina with dagon5, hex , blink and refresher.

Blink in, do rape combo, refresh and repeat. Kills every hero in the game.
That is why 1v1 is a silly topic to begin with.
Linkens, naix, bkb, medussa anyone?
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Tiny with full item build will pwn void like np.
Also spectra with hex+manta+3 butterfly+mjolnir will pwn every hero 1x1 if hex it first) replace mjolnir to diffusial versus skeleton king
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I'm getting Lina with dagon 5 , good luck with your ghost scep tinker.
March disables your blink and perma hex won't allow you to cast any combo. and why would tinker get ghost scepter against lina?
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