[IMPLEMENTED][Buff] Techies' Suicide

[Truality]

Okay, before you move on reading, this is NOT a remake about giving Techies exp on suicide. It's on the subject of the annoying target of 'suicide squad, attack!' skill. Already suggested several times, maybe not in depth, but forsaken deep within the forum. The current targeting allows ground to be targeted only (ladder?), therefore making it useless when Techies is unable to move (ensnare, frostbite, Cold Feet, etc). Since this ability already requires hard-targeting on techies, I have two suggestions on how to work the activation of the spell.

Suicide Squad, Attack!



A. The automatic approach
Activates on keypress.* This also means that it no longer has the 'autocast' option.

+ Allows Techies to have better movement control when about to use Suicide.
+ Helps analyzing suicide damage, since you can optimize the distance between Techies and affected units.
+ Immobilizing Techies won't disable the ability.

- A simple missclick results to your death (but that same thing happens with Detonate, does it not?).

*To prevent abuse of the kind 'Techies will never die by an enemy', it could have a short casting time. Very short.



B. The targeting approach
Allows targeting of units (including Techies).

+ Rightfully allows Suicide on immobile foes (from ie Stasis Trap) by targeting them.
+ Immobilizing Techies won't disable the ability.

- Movement control is almost the same as before.

I want to hear opinions on both suggestions. Suicide's only downfall can be eliminated if this gets implemented.

[jawawaQ]

Ofc, this was suggested a year ago and it wasn't implemented.

[Truality]

Originally Posted by jawawaQ

Ofc, this was suggested a year ago and it wasn't implemented.

Yeah, I know. I'm still curious about which option is more preferred, though.

[menage0a0trois]

B won't make much of a difference. If your immobile you won't be able to come close to your enemies to suicide anyway.

A sounds good. (I worry about all the flaming players will send after the first 'accident'.) Certainly allows for more technique in suicide.

I'm wondering how this will affect other effects on Techies though. Ex. According to FACT OF THE DAY, 'Decrepified Techies can't suicide. So you can use it like a silence to prevent him from killing himself'.

BTW, unlike Frostbite, I believe you can't cast any spell when frozen by Cold Feet.

[Wurmple]

I like /b/

OT: option b is nice T-up

[NoThlnG]

Yeah, I've always thought why we need auto-cast on this self-killing skill (I still remember I accidentally use auto-cast and suicide on creep when I was newbie)

T-Up on both. Sounds good and won't be imba buff

[cc.jmk!]

Originally Posted by NoThlnG

I still remember I accidentally use auto-cast and suicide on creep when I was newbie

Funny fact for the day jeje

I like option A ^^ insta-suicide un hotkey sounds nice ^^

[Dynes]

Going for B or just bring back the target on self.

[Foede]

Option B ofc. Having an 180 secs gamebreaking ultimate on a keystroke is one thing, but having a suicide move is another one. I'm not an avid techis user, but I guess that option would bring more harm than good.

Option B on the other hand, has no con whatsoever.

[Truality]

Originally Posted by Foede

Option B ofc. Having an 180 secs gamebreaking ultimate on a keystroke is one thing, but having a suicide move is another one. I'm not an avid techis user, but I guess that option would bring more harm than good.

Option B on the other hand, has no con whatsoever.

I'm pretty sure that players who play with Techies (and know how to play) are already familliar on how fatal a missclick can be on this Hero (detonate), so I guess that if you know how to move, suicide on a keystroke is not bad.


Anyway. Thanks about the support so far everyone.

[Dr_JP]

T-up to option B.

More balanced, as you have already stated.
It would take, at least, around 0,2-0,4 second before suiciding, whereas the "push and die" option could be done, virtually, within 0.1 second. (his casting animation is 0)

Then: make it castable to enemy units, self, ground and buildings (latter is the funniest part to gain money very fast!!!)
That'd be really better.

[Truality]

^Thanks, but wow, I couldn't believe someone would bump this thread.

[Unnamed_]

Originally Posted by menage0a0trois

BTW, unlike Frostbite, I believe you can't cast any spell when frozen by Cold Feet.

Of course you can't, Cold Feet stuns the target after the time passes.

On topic:
T-up on both.

[D-REZ]

T-up for A
Naga has enshared me numerous times and I couldn't do anything plus it is more flexible, not to mention that a kamikaze attack is stupid to be targetted cause it's not a homo missile or smt

[WickeDD]

Making sui be cast on clicking the button is a horrirble idea.
It removes the most important part of techies suicide:
"We come in peace!"
The second one is good where you can target yourself.
T-up for it

[Truality]

Originally Posted by WickeDD

Making sui be cast on clicking the button is a horrirble idea.
It removes the most important part of techies suicide:
"We come in peace!"

Uh, what exactly is your point based on? a sound?
Oh, and it's "do not run, we are your friends!"

[chomps]

t-up on both

[hauzer]

Finally fixed.