[Tweak] Hand of midas.

Redeemed A.I. · 06-13-2010, 01:05 PM

Taken copy paste from another thread:

Imo,hand of midas should change its role from farming item to creep killing item.
In other words,heavily reduce its cooldown along with the bounty increment.That way it is a pseudo farming-pushing ability,now actually useful on heroes who require dead creeps to own like:

-Seeker
-Necrolyte
-Dirge (in ultimate)
-Lich (to bounce more novas on less units)
-WD (same as above)
-Furion for insane pushing strat

And it will generally aid those who DON'T have aoe spammable farming spells and who need money now and not in 100 seconds.

Yes it will be a good buff for those late game carries,but also a great buff for pushers!

TL;DR Hand of midas requires more killing potential same gold income.

Numerical Example (warning,this can be changed):
Transmute doesn't add bonus gold.Neutrals' transmute gold is adjusted to fit the cooldown decrease which is estimated at 30 seconds.

PudgePie · 06-13-2010, 02:23 PM

t-up, current midas sucks and this one rlz ;d

Spielverderber · 06-13-2010, 02:33 PM

t-up

BattledOne · 06-13-2010, 03:09 PM

T-Up

ajinkya.dot · 06-13-2010, 04:57 PM

T-Down
I actually support the Idea someone Posted earlier.
the suggestion was to replace Radiance Recipe by HoM

Redeemed A.I. · 06-13-2010, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajinkya.dot

T-Down
I actually support the Idea someone Posted earlier.
the suggestion was to replace Radiance Recipe by HoM

You mean Midas upgrades->Radiance ??

Shoox · 06-13-2010, 07:43 PM

He's refering to this suggestion.
I like your idea but you should also mention that this would be a huge nerf to Chen moreover it would destroy him - also Ench would feel this. Nethertheless "vote on concept": T-UP

Truality · 06-13-2010, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajinkya.dot

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I actually support the Idea someone Posted earlier.
the suggestion was to replace Radiance Recipe by HoM

Please stop comparing suggestions that way, it's rude.

OT: yeap, why not. Almost every change to that item that has a logic to it is welcome and has my support. So t-up. I would still love to see midas as a lone item in Cache, though.

Redeemed A.I. · 06-13-2010, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoox

He's refering to this suggestion.
I like your idea but you should also mention that this would be a huge nerf to Chen moreover it would destroy him - also Ench would feel this. Nethertheless "vote on concept": T-UP

Actually it shouldn't be a problem to chen as he can save his summons with teleport.
And for enhantress it can also work the other way around: push easier with trolls' skeletons...

Or we can just add a resistant skin and they'll probably not be affected by midas ~_~

dominator02 · 06-14-2010, 01:50 AM

,Midas Suck Thread must be stopped.

Redeemed A.I. · 06-14-2010, 08:54 AM

Bump

cp14 · 06-14-2010, 10:55 AM

i like it

greenspleen · 06-15-2010, 08:47 AM

t-up

NoThlnG · 06-15-2010, 09:18 AM

So, no concrete suggestion yet?

Ok, then, what about making HoM to have an aura that have percentage to kill non-hero unit every time it get damaged? This will synergize more with 30% AS bonus.

Or, each time you damage, you have percentage to kill a non-hero unit equal to damage / current hp of unit and with this way, the glove of haste should be changed to other dmg boosting item.

Or, use QB as recipe

drogirant · 06-15-2010, 11:03 AM

I'd go for the QB for the component in the recipe, and don't make it too expensive either, cheap yet effective, Urn, Stick, PMS. That sort of thing

Redeemed A.I. · 06-15-2010, 02:01 PM

This suggestion is mostly for tweaks in numbers.The item is already aiding towards more pushing and easier farming (for same ammount of gold).

If someone wants to add a qb,suggest it in another thread and take my idea of concept number balance.

fr0zenknife · 06-15-2010, 02:04 PM

T-up.

Hans_Maulwurf · 06-15-2010, 05:10 PM

or maybe increase cd, decrease bonus gold and make it aoe. not too big ofc, maybe like maledict. i also like the idea to upgrade quelling to midas

Skaloon · 06-15-2010, 07:14 PM

well any change on Midas would be good.

but do you actually think this would be enough? spending 1900 gold for no gold boost? and how could this help pushing? if your push last 60 secs, you can destroy just 3 creeps, that's pathethic. the idea is nice, but IMO midas needs a bit more to get usefull.

nemesis2k5 · 06-16-2010, 08:29 AM

DOTA needs a Ganking (hero killing) oriented changes, this will just further promote the farming strategy w/c is no good. T-down.

06-13-2010, 01:05 PM	#1
Redeemed A.I. Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Greece.Μακεδονία Posts: 8,185	[Tweak] Hand of midas. Taken copy paste from another thread: Imo,hand of midas should change its role from farming item to creep killing item. In other words,heavily reduce its cooldown along with the bounty increment.That way it is a pseudo farming-pushing ability,now actually useful on heroes who require dead creeps to own like: -Seeker -Necrolyte -Dirge (in ultimate) -Lich (to bounce more novas on less units) -WD (same as above) -Furion for insane pushing strat And it will generally aid those who DON'T have aoe spammable farming spells and who need money now and not in 100 seconds. Yes it will be a good buff for those late game carries,but also a great buff for pushers! TL;DR Hand of midas requires more killing potential same gold income. Numerical Example (warning,this can be changed): Transmute doesn't add bonus gold.Neutrals' transmute gold is adjusted to fit the cooldown decrease which is estimated at 30 seconds. __________________ Rebalance techies' hit attack Allow abaddon and other heroes to use soul ringNEW!

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06-13-2010, 02:23 PM	#2
PudgePie Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 713	Re: [Tweak] Hand of midas. t-up, current midas sucks and this one rlz ;d

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06-13-2010, 04:57 PM	#5
ajinkya.dot Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 177	Re: [Tweak] Hand of midas. T-Down I actually support the Idea someone Posted earlier. the suggestion was to replace Radiance Recipe by HoM __________________ . . . . . . . . . .

06-13-2010, 07:43 PM	#7
Shoox Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Equestria Posts: 720	Re: [Tweak] Hand of midas. He's refering to this suggestion. I like your idea but you should also mention that this would be a huge nerf to Chen moreover it would destroy him - also Ench would feel this. Nethertheless "vote on concept": T-UP __________________

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06-15-2010, 09:18 AM	#14
NoThlnG Forum Staff Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Nowhere Posts: 14,371 Blog Entries: 8	Re: [Tweak] Hand of midas. So, no concrete suggestion yet? Ok, then, what about making HoM to have an aura that have percentage to kill non-hero unit every time it get damaged? This will synergize more with 30% AS bonus. Or, each time you damage, you have percentage to kill a non-hero unit equal to damage / current hp of unit and with this way, the glove of haste should be changed to other dmg boosting item. Or, use QB as recipe __________________ Assassin's Creed Helpful Links Suggestions Epic Quotes . Credits to Lotus V Eater . . How to Get Your Suggestion Implemented Custom Model GIF Request Suggestion Assisstor's Thread Guides, Lists and Templates How to Become a Moderator . . Suggestion Portfolio My Ability Collections .

06-15-2010, 11:03 AM	#15
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06-15-2010, 02:01 PM	#16
Redeemed A.I. Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Greece.Μακεδονία Posts: 8,185	Re: [Tweak] Hand of midas. This suggestion is mostly for tweaks in numbers.The item is already aiding towards more pushing and easier farming (for same ammount of gold). If someone wants to add a qb,suggest it in another thread and take my idea of concept number balance. __________________ Rebalance techies' hit attack Allow abaddon and other heroes to use soul ringNEW!

06-15-2010, 02:04 PM	#17
fr0zenknife Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,435	Re: [Tweak] Hand of midas. T-up.

06-15-2010, 05:10 PM	#18
Hans_Maulwurf Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 8	Re: [Tweak] Hand of midas. or maybe increase cd, decrease bonus gold and make it aoe. not too big ofc, maybe like maledict. i also like the idea to upgrade quelling to midas

06-15-2010, 07:14 PM	#19
Skaloon Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Lithuania Posts: 3,158	Re: [Tweak] Hand of midas. well any change on Midas would be good. but do you actually think this would be enough? spending 1900 gold for no gold boost? and how could this help pushing? if your push last 60 secs, you can destroy just 3 creeps, that's pathethic. the idea is nice, but IMO midas needs a bit more to get usefull. __________________ I'm the best DotA player in the world Dude, relax and chill out Funniest dota moment

06-16-2010, 08:29 AM	#20
nemesis2k5 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ph Posts: 331	Re: [Tweak] Hand of midas. DOTA needs a Ganking (hero killing) oriented changes, this will just further promote the farming strategy w/c is no good. T-down.