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![]() | Broodmother | 1042 | 50.75% |
![]() | Nerubian Assassin | 886 | 43.16% |
![]() | Slithereen Guard | 869 | 42.33% |
![]() | Shadow Shaman | 797 | 38.82% |
![]() | Tidehunter | 749 | 36.48% |
![]() | Dark Seer | 614 | 29.91% |
![]() | Undying | 527 | 25.67% |
![]() | Storm Spirit | 480 | 23.38% |
![]() | Vengeful Spirit | 465 | 22.65% |
![]() | Gorgon | 445 | 21.68% |
![]() | Beastmaster | 434 | 21.14% |
![]() | Pandaren Brewmaster | 423 | 20.60% |
![]() | Earthshaker | 419 | 20.41% |
![]() | Morphling | 401 | 19.53% |
![]() | Bane Elemental | 392 | 19.09% |
![]() | Oblivion | 390 | 19.00% |
![]() | Crystal Maiden | 389 | 18.95% |
![]() | Admiral Proudmoore | 355 | 17.29% |
![]() | Netherdrake | 343 | 16.71% |
![]() | Necro'lic | 332 | 16.17% |
![]() | Enchantress | 297 | 14.47% |
![]() | Batrider | 276 | 13.44% |
![]() | Chieftain | 252 | 12.27% |
![]() | Doom Bringer | 252 | 12.27% |
![]() | Holy Knight | 243 | 11.84% |
![]() | Phantom Lancer | 240 | 11.69% |
![]() | Priestess of the Moon | 239 | 11.64% |
![]() | Spectre | 238 | 11.59% |
![]() | Demon Witch | 229 | 11.15% |
![]() | Clockwerk | 222 | 10.81% |
![]() | Lord of Olympia | 211 | 10.28% |
![]() | Silencer | 208 | 10.13% |
![]() | Lord of Avernus | 206 | 10.03% |
![]() | Witch Doctor | 203 | 9.89% |
![]() | Necrolyte | 201 | 9.79% |
![]() | Enigma | 185 | 9.01% |
![]() | Warlock | 172 | 8.38% |
![]() | Rogue Knight | 165 | 8.04% |
![]() | Alchemist | 153 | 7.45% |
![]() | Lightning Revenant | 149 | 7.26% |
![]() | Shadow Fiend | 139 | 6.77% |
![]() | Sand King | 111 | 5.41% |
![]() | Dwarven Sniper | 109 | 5.31% |
![]() | Lone Druid | 105 | 5.11% |
![]() | Faerie Dragon | 98 | 4.77% |
![]() | Death Prophet | 86 | 4.19% |
![]() | Ursa Warrior | 80 | 3.90% |
![]() | Tinker | 73 | 3.56% |
![]() | Drow Ranger | 67 | 3.26% |
![]() | Templar Assassin | 49 | 2.39% |
![]() | Shadow Priest | 48 | 2.34% |
![]() | Windrunner | 32 | 1.56% |
![]() | Bloodseeker | 28 | 1.36% |
![]() | Anti-Mage | 22 | 1.07% |
![]() | Omniknight | 19 | 0.93% |
![]() | Queen of Pain | 18 | 0.88% |
![]() | Axe | 17 | 0.83% |
![]() | Prophet | 14 | 0.68% |
![]() | Bristleback | 13 | 0.63% |
![]() | Keeper of the Light | 12 | 0.58% |
![]() | Obsidian Destroyer | 12 | 0.58% |
![]() | Geomancer | 10 | 0.49% |
![]() | Treant Protector | 9 | 0.44% |
![]() | Pit Lord | 9 | 0.44% |
![]() | Dragon Knight | 9 | 0.44% |
![]() | Goblin Techies | 8 | 0.39% |
![]() | Naga Siren | 8 | 0.39% |
![]() | Stealth Assassin | 8 | 0.39% |
![]() | Lifestealer | 7 | 0.34% |
![]() | Bone Fletcher | 6 | 0.29% |
![]() | Slayer | 6 | 0.29% |
![]() | Lycanthrope | 6 | 0.29% |
![]() | Faceless Void | 6 | 0.29% |
![]() | Invoker | 5 | 0.24% |
![]() | Night Stalker | 4 | 0.19% |
![]() | Butcher | 4 | 0.19% |
![]() | Skeleton King | 4 | 0.19% |
![]() | Bounty Hunter | 4 | 0.19% |
![]() | Juggernaut | 3 | 0.15% |
![]() | Ogre Magi | 3 | 0.15% |
![]() | Phantom Assassin | 3 | 0.15% |
![]() | Nerubian Weaver | 3 | 0.15% |
![]() | Moon Rider | 2 | 0.10% |
![]() | Soul Keeper | 2 | 0.10% |
![]() | Centaur Warchief | 2 | 0.10% |
![]() | Lich | 2 | 0.10% |
![]() | Sacred Warrior | 2 | 0.10% |
![]() | Tormented Soul | 2 | 0.10% |
![]() | Troll Warlord | 2 | 0.10% |
![]() | Spiritbreaker | 1 | 0.05% |
![]() | Magnataur | 1 | 0.05% |
![]() | Venomancer | 1 | 0.05% |
![]() | Ancient Apparition | 0 | 0.00% |
![]() | Chaos Knight | 0 | 0.00% |
![]() | Twin Head Dragon | 0 | 0.00% |
![]() | Stone Giant | 0 | 0.00% |
![]() | Murloc | 0 | 0.00% |
| . | Hero | Games picked | Games Won | Pick rate |
![]() | Priestess of the Moon | 1908 | 961 | 61.13% |
![]() | Crystal Maiden | 1774 | 870 | 56.84% |
![]() | Demon Witch | 1615 | 776 | 51.75% |
![]() | Earthshaker | 1603 | 807 | 51.36% |
![]() | Vengeful Spirit | 1394 | 801 | 44.67% |
![]() | Sand King | 1221 | 601 | 39.12% |
![]() | Admiral Proudmoore | 1075 | 492 | 34.44% |
![]() | Shadow Fiend | 1009 | 521 | 32.33% |
![]() | Warlock | 996 | 484 | 31.91% |
![]() | Faerie Dragon | 919 | 429 | 29.45% |
![]() | Morphling | 759 | 362 | 24.32% |
![]() | Rogue Knight | 747 | 347 | 23.93% |
![]() | Lord of Olympia | 722 | 311 | 23.13% |
![]() | Shadow Shaman | 688 | 333 | 22.04% |
![]() | Tidehunter | 627 | 292 | 20.09% |
![]() | Storm Spirit | 557 | 288 | 17.85% |
![]() | Witch Doctor | 541 | 258 | 17.33% |
![]() | Slithereen Guard | 540 | 277 | 17.30% |
![]() | Necrolyte | 502 | 258 | 16.08% |
![]() | Beastmaster | 461 | 256 | 14.77% |
![]() | Enigma | 445 | 233 | 14.26% |
![]() | Netherdrake | 408 | 192 | 13.07% |
![]() | Dark Seer | 403 | 196 | 12.91% |
![]() | Bane Elemental | 403 | 190 | 12.91% |
![]() | Tinker | 348 | 179 | 11.15% |
![]() | Gorgon | 345 | 161 | 11.05% |
![]() | Oblivion | 344 | 165 | 11.02% |
![]() | Pandaren Brewmaster | 309 | 164 | 9.90% |
![]() | Shadow Priest | 309 | 163 | 9.90% |
![]() | Clockwerk | 308 | 164 | 9.87% |
![]() | Holy Knight | 291 | 160 | 9.32% |
![]() | Slayer | 291 | 134 | 9.32% |
![]() | Dwarven Sniper | 284 | 145 | 9.10% |
![]() | Broodmother | 282 | 153 | 9.04% |
![]() | Nerubian Assassin | 278 | 145 | 8.91% |
![]() | Lightning Revenant | 259 | 117 | 8.30% |
![]() | Drow Ranger | 259 | 139 | 8.30% |
![]() | Windrunner | 259 | 127 | 8.30% |
![]() | Spectre | 256 | 132 | 8.20% |
![]() | Enchantress | 232 | 117 | 7.43% |
![]() | Phantom Lancer | 231 | 103 | 7.40% |
![]() | Queen of Pain | 229 | 100 | 7.34% |
![]() | Stone Giant | 212 | 103 | 6.79% |
![]() | Lord of Avernus | 197 | 91 | 6.31% |
![]() | Lich | 186 | 98 | 5.96% |
![]() | Necro'lic | 181 | 105 | 5.80% |
![]() | Lifestealer | 177 | 73 | 5.67% |
![]() | Doom Bringer | 174 | 75 | 5.58% |
![]() | Silencer | 174 | 87 | 5.58% |
![]() | Undying | 169 | 67 | 5.41% |
![]() | Death Prophet | 165 | 66 | 5.29% |
![]() | Axe | 162 | 61 | 5.19% |
![]() | Dragon Knight | 160 | 68 | 5.13% |
![]() | Prophet | 156 | 85 | 5.00% |
![]() | Batrider | 154 | 80 | 4.93% |
![]() | Keeper of the Light | 148 | 74 | 4.74% |
![]() | Alchemist | 139 | 78 | 4.45% |
![]() | Juggernaut | 135 | 75 | 4.33% |
![]() | Chieftain | 134 | 71 | 4.29% |
![]() | Templar Assassin | 133 | 69 | 4.26% |
![]() | Venomancer | 123 | 60 | 3.94% |
![]() | Anti-Mage | 118 | 62 | 3.78% |
![]() | Centaur Warchief | 117 | 64 | 3.75% |
![]() | Omniknight | 108 | 60 | 3.46% |
![]() | Tormented Soul | 104 | 40 | 3.33% |
![]() | Bristleback | 103 | 35 | 3.30% |
![]() | Bloodseeker | 94 | 51 | 3.01% |
![]() | Ursa Warrior | 93 | 47 | 2.98% |
![]() | Obsidian Destroyer | 92 | 46 | 2.95% |
![]() | Skeleton King | 83 | 43 | 2.66% |
![]() | Ogre Magi | 81 | 42 | 2.60% |
![]() | Twin Head Dragon | 68 | 34 | 2.18% |
![]() | Invoker | 65 | 32 | 2.08% |
![]() | Butcher | 61 | 35 | 1.95% |
![]() | Lone Druid | 58 | 28 | 1.86% |
![]() | Stealth Assassin | 56 | 27 | 1.79% |
![]() | Faceless Void | 55 | 20 | 1.76% |
![]() | Naga Siren | 52 | 31 | 1.67% |
![]() | Treant Protector | 51 | 25 | 1.63% |
![]() | Chaos Knight | 48 | 25 | 1.54% |
![]() | Magnataur | 45 | 26 | 1.44% |
![]() | Moon Rider | 43 | 25 | 1.38% |
![]() | Nerubian Weaver | 41 | 13 | 1.31% |
![]() | Pit Lord | 39 | 19 | 1.25% |
![]() | Night Stalker | 39 | 25 | 1.25% |
![]() | Phantom Assassin | 33 | 16 | 1.06% |
![]() | Bounty Hunter | 31 | 14 | 0.99% |
![]() | Bone Fletcher | 28 | 15 | 0.90% |
![]() | Lycanthrope | 27 | 12 | 0.87% |
![]() | Geomancer | 26 | 15 | 0.83% |
![]() | Sacred Warrior | 25 | 11 | 0.80% |
![]() | Goblin Techies | 22 | 14 | 0.70% |
![]() | Soul Keeper | 18 | 10 | 0.58% |
![]() | Troll Warlord | 14 | 4 | 0.45% |
![]() | Spiritbreaker | 4 | 3 | 0.13% |
![]() | Murloc | 4 | 1 | 0.13% |
![]() | Ancient Apparition | 3 | 2 | 0.10% |
| . | Hero | Games picked | Games Won | Win rate |
![]() | Spiritbreaker | 4 | 3 | 75.00% |
![]() | Ancient Apparition | 3 | 2 | 66.67% |
![]() | Night Stalker | 39 | 25 | 64.10% |
![]() | Goblin Techies | 22 | 14 | 63.64% |
![]() | Naga Siren | 52 | 31 | 59.62% |
![]() | Moon Rider | 43 | 25 | 58.14% |
![]() | Necro'lic | 181 | 105 | 58.01% |
![]() | Magnataur | 45 | 26 | 57.78% |
![]() | Geomancer | 26 | 15 | 57.69% |
![]() | Vengeful Spirit | 1394 | 801 | 57.46% |
![]() | Butcher | 61 | 35 | 57.38% |
![]() | Alchemist | 139 | 78 | 56.12% |
![]() | Juggernaut | 135 | 75 | 55.56% |
![]() | Omniknight | 108 | 60 | 55.56% |
![]() | Soul Keeper | 18 | 10 | 55.56% |
![]() | Beastmaster | 461 | 256 | 55.53% |
![]() | Holy Knight | 291 | 160 | 54.98% |
![]() | Centaur Warchief | 117 | 64 | 54.70% |
![]() | Prophet | 156 | 85 | 54.49% |
![]() | Broodmother | 282 | 153 | 54.26% |
![]() | Bloodseeker | 94 | 51 | 54.26% |
![]() | Drow Ranger | 259 | 139 | 53.67% |
![]() | Bone Fletcher | 28 | 15 | 53.57% |
![]() | Clockwerk | 308 | 164 | 53.25% |
![]() | Pandaren Brewmaster | 309 | 164 | 53.07% |
![]() | Chieftain | 134 | 71 | 52.99% |
![]() | Shadow Priest | 309 | 163 | 52.75% |
![]() | Lich | 186 | 98 | 52.69% |
![]() | Anti-Mage | 118 | 62 | 52.54% |
![]() | Enigma | 445 | 233 | 52.36% |
![]() | Nerubian Assassin | 278 | 145 | 52.16% |
![]() | Chaos Knight | 48 | 25 | 52.08% |
![]() | Batrider | 154 | 80 | 51.95% |
![]() | Templar Assassin | 133 | 69 | 51.88% |
![]() | Ogre Magi | 81 | 42 | 51.85% |
![]() | Skeleton King | 83 | 43 | 51.81% |
![]() | Storm Spirit | 557 | 288 | 51.71% |
![]() | Shadow Fiend | 1009 | 521 | 51.64% |
![]() | Spectre | 256 | 132 | 51.56% |
![]() | Tinker | 348 | 179 | 51.44% |
![]() | Necrolyte | 502 | 258 | 51.39% |
![]() | Slithereen Guard | 540 | 277 | 51.30% |
![]() | Dwarven Sniper | 284 | 145 | 51.06% |
![]() | Ursa Warrior | 93 | 47 | 50.54% |
![]() | Enchantress | 232 | 117 | 50.43% |
![]() | Priestess of the Moon | 1908 | 961 | 50.37% |
![]() | Earthshaker | 1603 | 807 | 50.34% |
![]() | Silencer | 174 | 87 | 50.00% |
![]() | Keeper of the Light | 148 | 74 | 50.00% |
![]() | Obsidian Destroyer | 92 | 46 | 50.00% |
![]() | Twin Head Dragon | 68 | 34 | 50.00% |
![]() | Invoker | 65 | 32 | 49.23% |
![]() | Sand King | 1221 | 601 | 49.22% |
![]() | Crystal Maiden | 1774 | 870 | 49.04% |
![]() | Windrunner | 259 | 127 | 49.03% |
![]() | Treant Protector | 51 | 25 | 49.02% |
![]() | Venomancer | 123 | 60 | 48.78% |
![]() | Pit Lord | 39 | 19 | 48.72% |
![]() | Dark Seer | 403 | 196 | 48.64% |
![]() | Warlock | 996 | 484 | 48.59% |
![]() | Stone Giant | 212 | 103 | 48.58% |
![]() | Phantom Assassin | 33 | 16 | 48.48% |
![]() | Shadow Shaman | 688 | 333 | 48.40% |
![]() | Lone Druid | 58 | 28 | 48.28% |
![]() | Stealth Assassin | 56 | 27 | 48.21% |
![]() | Demon Witch | 1615 | 776 | 48.05% |
![]() | Oblivion | 344 | 165 | 47.97% |
![]() | Morphling | 759 | 362 | 47.69% |
![]() | Witch Doctor | 541 | 258 | 47.69% |
![]() | Bane Elemental | 403 | 190 | 47.15% |
![]() | Netherdrake | 408 | 192 | 47.06% |
![]() | Faerie Dragon | 919 | 429 | 46.68% |
![]() | Gorgon | 345 | 161 | 46.67% |
![]() | Tidehunter | 627 | 292 | 46.57% |
![]() | Rogue Knight | 747 | 347 | 46.45% |
![]() | Lord of Avernus | 197 | 91 | 46.19% |
![]() | Slayer | 291 | 134 | 46.05% |
![]() | Admiral Proudmoore | 1075 | 492 | 45.77% |
![]() | Lightning Revenant | 259 | 117 | 45.17% |
![]() | Bounty Hunter | 31 | 14 | 45.16% |
![]() | Phantom Lancer | 231 | 103 | 44.59% |
![]() | Lycanthrope | 27 | 12 | 44.44% |
![]() | Sacred Warrior | 25 | 11 | 44.00% |
![]() | Queen of Pain | 229 | 100 | 43.67% |
![]() | Doom Bringer | 174 | 75 | 43.10% |
![]() | Lord of Olympia | 722 | 311 | 43.07% |
![]() | Dragon Knight | 160 | 68 | 42.50% |
![]() | Lifestealer | 177 | 73 | 41.24% |
![]() | Death Prophet | 165 | 66 | 40.00% |
![]() | Undying | 169 | 67 | 39.64% |
![]() | Tormented Soul | 104 | 40 | 38.46% |
![]() | Axe | 162 | 61 | 37.65% |
![]() | Faceless Void | 55 | 20 | 36.36% |
![]() | Bristleback | 103 | 35 | 33.98% |
![]() | Nerubian Weaver | 41 | 13 | 31.71% |
![]() | Troll Warlord | 14 | 4 | 28.57% |
![]() | Murloc | 4 | 1 | 25.00% |
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Good work though. Commenting later.
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Very nice material, very useful thank you and good job.
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I was wondering why there was such a shortage of drow picks until I read that this was over a full year.
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Hey, this sure is the masterpiece thread in playdota.com !!!!!!!!
Keep up the good job dude Venge's win rate is 57 % in 1394 game, statistics prove he is the key pick in game nowadays. |
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Conclusion 1 : Mirana / Earthshaker are the perfectly balanced heroes , seeing how they have a high enough pick rate to call the statistics viable, they have a win rate of 50%.
Conclusion 2 : Seeing the rest of the table, statistics lie. Bristleback with 33% win rate? Lower than void / gondar / axe? Pathetic if you ask me Conclusion 3 : Pick Bara, he is imba. Statistics prove it
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yes, if you pick Bara in 4 of every 3121 games. You will win 75% of the time.
it is a good look over, it helps to show some of the trends that have occurred since 6.59d.
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2)Slark is picked in 4 games too but he has a 75% lose rate. 3)It may "prove" that some heroes that are considered totally worthless and a bunch of shit actually do something (im not reffering to barathrum here cause obviously 4 games mean absolutely nothing) 4)It was actually 2053 games , dunno where you got your numbers
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2053 is the number of games including bans.
3121 is the total number of replays analyzed
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lol techie winning 14/22 times, that should shut up some of the tards in the dota chat forum.
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Of those 14 wins it could be because of techies simply won the game or because there was a big skill difference. Bara has 75% win rate, that doesn't mean he's a good hero. Anyway, nice statistics. Most interesting part is of course the statistics of the current version.
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What this doesn't consider is that some games are -ardm (i remember at least a dozen of them) so the hero "picks" that are showed in the page of the replay are completely worthless.
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Analysis of item usage in competitive 6.66, 6.67, 6.68, 6.69 and 6.71. Ongoing.
Look my reorganization of the weapon shop for: • Organized shop layout (ala Sena the Accesorizer) • More unique +dmg items (BoA ,Broadswoard & Claymore) • Items and recipes are more logical and intuitive • Hammer is the old Javelin (the %chance fits naturaly in Basher + Mael) • Desolator is now made from swords and more! |
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The thing that sticks out the most is Venge, clearly overpowered with a huge pick rate and very high win rate. |
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Besides the win/loss ratio, which is mostly irrelevant - this is a team game, I've won games where I played miserably and lost games where I played great, something stands out more.
Some heroes have a 70% chance of a pick/ban. And especially the pick rates around 50% are ridiculous: PotM, CM, Lion, ES, Venge basically are blocking 2.5 slots each game. It's like picking 8 heroes from the "rest of the world" (90 heroes) and picking the last 2 from these 5. And PotM - when was the last time I saw a game without PotM playing or banned? Some heroes need to be more attractive. Even more shocking, some heroes should be just taken out (not going to happen, I know)...
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Thank you, what a contribution! It's interesting how the Dirge auto-bans during the 6.59 era still are enough to make him the seventh most banned hero. On the flipside, I'm surprised that Death Prophet is so low. I seem to recall that DP was imba back then as well.
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so they actually picked techies before this day?
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Interesting to see the brood bans, NA bans, and potm picks, we all new about it, at least here are some statistics.
I was wondering OP if you could share your code you composed to go through the replay files. Cause if you did this by hand, you desire a beer from all of us As this code could be useful if shared and more statistics could be gathered. Great work. |
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thx for doing this
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