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Old 07-16-2010, 03:05 AM   #1
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What's a good medusa item build?
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Old 07-16-2010, 03:08 AM   #2
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Str Treads, Wand, Linkens, Manta, Butterfly, Skadi, Rapier. Pretty standard.

Other items to try : Bfury, Mjolnir, Satanic
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Old 07-16-2010, 03:11 AM   #3
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Each time I pick Medusa, i go for - power treads, linken sphere, manta, butterfly, satanic and divine , you can also go for skadi
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Old 07-16-2010, 03:16 AM   #4
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Since question has already been fully answered, I'll give you the best medusa replay ever (IMO).

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Old 07-16-2010, 04:28 AM   #5
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p tread for medusa is fail generally. leave it as normal boots and upgrade to travels after 1st core
linkens stick travels butterfly rapier bkb rapier


if you are going rapier build please dont get manta.
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Old 07-16-2010, 04:34 AM   #6
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everytime i see a medusa play, i see a linken
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Old 07-16-2010, 04:40 AM   #7
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p tread for medusa is fail generally. leave it as normal boots and upgrade to travels after 1st core
linkens stick travels butterfly rapier bkb rapier


if you are going rapier build please dont get manta.
terrible troll attempt. i pronounce this a fail troll.
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Old 07-16-2010, 04:46 AM   #8
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Medusa is an agility carry so its only natural that the first item to come to mind is Manta Style. I'd go ptreads, diffusal, yasha into manta. After that is situational I believe. Butterfly? MKB? Buriza? Luxury items, assuming the game gets that far.
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Old 07-16-2010, 05:11 AM   #9
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Str PT is a epic fail item for Medusa. Get int PT or its better you just have normal boots and rush to complete your inventory.

Details of build in my draft guide. Have a look. You'll know what to go for and why.
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Old 07-16-2010, 05:25 AM   #10
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Cookie cutter builds already mentioned.

Also try HoD, Diffusal and DR rush (though not all at once)
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Old 07-16-2010, 05:26 AM   #11
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get linken, treads and guinsoo for tankability. then rapier.
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Old 07-16-2010, 06:01 AM   #12
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terrible troll attempt. i pronounce this a fail troll.
lol no. rapier has always been a legit core for medusa
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Old 07-16-2010, 06:03 AM   #13
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linkens and guinsoo both? but your a dps hero..... who dps's lol. guinsoo and linkens kinda removes the dps capability of you as a hero doesn't it?
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Old 07-16-2010, 06:06 AM   #14
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Str PT is a epic fail item for Medusa. Get int PT or its better you just have normal boots and rush to complete your inventory.

Details of build in my draft guide. Have a look. You'll know what to go for and why.
You do realize you can change your treads once you have it, right?
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Old 07-16-2010, 06:15 AM   #15
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Int PT are a horrible choice on dusa

1. Mana shield takes damage before reductions (Including armor)
This means that your mana pool suffers pure damage from incoming hits

2. 130MP is not comparable to 190HP after you take into account armor easily hitting 40%+ reduction

There is not a required dusa build but rather a number of good items that should be build appropriately. Given that any ranged agi hero can farm stacked neut camps with HOTD Manta it is easily an option.

Satanic is an amazing item especially when combined with damage like DR/Butter

Sphere can be amazing against the right lineup
Similarly Skadi can provide insane EHP against lineups where sphere is less applicable

Butter is a great item

Manta is more or less standard on ranged agi
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Old 07-16-2010, 06:17 AM   #16
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Dusa tanks more with intel treads idiots not strength
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Old 07-16-2010, 06:18 AM   #17
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Dusa tanks more with intel treads idiots not strength
Only if your dusa has negative armor

Int treads will provide 130 MP which will tank 260 damage

Str treads will provide 190 HP which will tank considerably more assuming you have even 40% reduction from armor. Which you will considering you are an agi hero that tends to make agi items.
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Old 07-16-2010, 06:20 AM   #18
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1) Power treads - buy BoT after getting all core items except divine
2) Linken
3) Manta
4) Butterfly
5) Satanic
6) Rapier

Just check out ZSMJ medusa of GG
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Old 07-16-2010, 06:22 AM   #19
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You do realize you can change your treads once you have it, right?
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Int PT are a horrible choice on dusa

1. Mana shield takes damage before reductions (Including armor)
This means that your mana pool suffers pure damage from incoming hits

2. 130MP is not comparable to 190HP after you take into account armor easily hitting 40%+ reduction
Chk the graphs. less than 6 armor str treads better.. more than 6 armor int treads better.. if while keeping PT in str your current mana > physical EHP (neglecting mana shield) then str treads ofc is better (you total tankability does not depend on mana pool then..)..!!
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Chk the graphs. less than 6 armor str treads better.. more than 6 armor int treads better.. if current mana > physical EHP (neglecting mana shield) then str treads ofc is better..!!
• Absorbs damage before any damage reduction takes place, meaning that armor will not reduce the amount of mana needed to absorb damage.
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Old 07-16-2010, 06:25 AM   #21
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manta should not be gotten on medusa if you are planning to do dr since majority of your damage comes from your dr ( not passed to images )

be flexible -_-


E: most of the times agi treads > str/int treads since you are already tanky enough
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Old 07-16-2010, 06:28 AM   #22
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If i am getting a rapier i go Bfury then BoTs then Butter + satanic then rapier.

Standard is Treads, linkens, manta, butter, then attempt to farm eye while pushing to win.
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• Absorbs damage before any damage reduction takes place, meaning that armor will not reduce the amount of mana needed to absorb damage.
want me to do the calculations for u.. believe me.. there is maths involved.. and i did it in a back-of-the-envelope sorta.. dnt wnat to do it for u again..!!
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Old 07-16-2010, 06:32 AM   #24
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You do realize you can change your treads once you have it, right?
Sadness prevails! Dude try to get the point! Made me lol..
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Old 07-16-2010, 06:33 AM   #25
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If i am getting a rapier i go Bfury then BoTs then Butter + satanic then rapier.

Standard is Treads, linkens, manta, butter, then attempt to farm eye while pushing to win.
you still need linkens even if you are going dr build.

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Old 07-16-2010, 06:37 AM   #26
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You noobs, the core on dusa is TWO divines
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Old 07-16-2010, 06:38 AM   #27
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You noobs, the core on dusa is TWO divines
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Old 07-16-2010, 10:34 AM   #28
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lol no. rapier has always been a legit core for medusa
its not the rapier build, its the dont build rapier with manta, and the anti treads statement thats fail.
rapier with manta =
treads gives dmg, survivability, mana
the three things you find most vital as medusa.
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Old 07-16-2010, 12:50 PM   #29
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Chk the graphs. less than 6 armor str treads better.. more than 6 armor int treads better.. if while keeping PT in str your current mana > physical EHP (neglecting mana shield) then str treads ofc is better (you total tankability does not depend on mana pool then..)..!!
It has nothing to do with armor. For medusa 1 point of mana is worth 2 points of hp and that's that. 130*2 = 260 hp which is more than 190. Except in the rare case that you have more mana than half your hp ( eg. 2000 heath 1100 mana ) in which case the extra mana is worthless. Ofc with the recent int nerf, that almost never happens anyway unless you rush guinsoo or something lol.
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Old 07-16-2010, 12:52 PM   #30
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Just watch ZSMJ 's medusa
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Old 07-16-2010, 01:09 PM   #31
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Int PT are a horrible choice on dusa

1. Mana shield takes damage before reductions (Including armor)
This means that your mana pool suffers pure damage from incoming hits

2. 130MP is not comparable to 190HP after you take into account armor easily hitting 40%+ reduction
They're not a choice O_o, people seem to think you have to choose :/ You have int treads on when you're casting snake, you switch to agi treads when you're right-click farming after having cast snake, then you switch to str treads when you're about to take damage.
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Old 07-16-2010, 01:58 PM   #32
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It has nothing to do with armor. For medusa 1 point of mana is worth 2 points of hp and that's that. 130*2 = 260 hp which is more than 190. Except in the rare case that you have more mana than half your hp ( eg. 2000 heath 1100 mana ) in which case the extra mana is worthless. Ofc with the recent int nerf, that almost never happens anyway unless you rush guinsoo or something lol.

it has everything do with armor( and magic resistant). Damage taken up by mana sheild is unreduced.

so for nukes, its about the same (190 hp = 253 mana)
for attackes, once u get above 5 armor, its better to have it on str treads
5 armor: 190 hp = 254 mana
6 armor: 190 hp = 269 mana'

so, with 5 or less armour, keep it on int threads, 6 and above have it on str when not casting snake.
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manta should not be gotten on medusa if you are planning to do dr since majority of your damage comes from your dr ( not passed to images )

be flexible -_-


E: most of the times agi treads > str/int treads since you are already tanky enough
So you are actually stupid enough to suggest skipping the best DPS item for a ranged agi hero because it doesn't have synergy with manta?

Do you skip rad on PL too?
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it has everything do with armor( and magic resistant). Damage taken up by mana sheild is unreduced.

so for nukes, its about the same (190 hp = 253 mana)
for attackes, once u get above 5 armor, its better to have it on str treads
5 armor: 190 hp = 254 mana
6 armor: 190 hp = 269 mana'

so, with 5 or less armour, keep it on int threads, 6 and above have it on str when not casting snake.
Oh yes, I forgot about that.
But the hero page doesn't say anything about nukes. Does magic reduction factor in mana sheild?

By the way, I think you meant
190 hp = 253 effective hp vs nukes ( assuming no hood )
5 armor: 190 hp = 254 effective hp vs physical dmg
6 armor: 190 hp = 269 effective hp vs physical dmg

130 mana = 260 effective hp vs any kind of dmg.
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So you are actually stupid enough to suggest skipping the best DPS item for a ranged agi hero because it doesn't have synergy with manta?

Do you skip rad on PL too?
what is this " best DPS item for a ranged agi hero"

are you saying manta? or rapier
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Old 07-16-2010, 03:26 PM   #36
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well there are 3 builds i like to get with dusa:

1.The Tank and Supporter Build
1.power treads
2.vanguard/hood
3.linkins
4.hex
5.skadi
6.hot

2.The Semi-Carry Build (semi carry, due to the good but not perfect dps)
1.power treads/bot
2.linkins
3.manta
4.diffu
5.butter
6.hex/hot/radi (such stuff, actually u will never get the full build in a fw/cw)

3.The Full-Carry Buid (due to its nice dps)
1.Power Treads/BoT
2.Mjollnir
3.Manta
4.Butter
5.Buriza
6.Skadi/MKB/BKB (If u need BKB, build it earlier )

i prefer the second build, since dusa has a good mix of dps/tankability here

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Old 07-16-2010, 03:33 PM   #37
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If you max snake like I do, and manage to get 2200 gold withing the first 10 minutes as you should, I recommend doing a Morphling and buying BoT for farming with snake.

Otherwsie, try for a 20 min Skadi+Treads/PMS+Wand+Boots/Yasha if you get some kills.

After your PMS, Wand and Boots of choice, go for Linken's if your opponents have a ton of diables/stuns, otherwise Manta. If you don't need Linken's and didn't get Skadi, you can go for Skadi/BFly. After your second major item, go for BFly. Use your last slot for Skadi if you didnt get it yet, then sell you Wand/PMS for Satanic.
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Personally, I've never gotten Divine Rapier ever in DotA because I'm just too pussy =(... However I've been playing Gorgon quite alot recently and the main item build that I aim for at the early/mid game is

Treads
RoB
PMS
Magic Stick
Perseverance
TP

After I get this I'll go for my main item build which is
BoT
Manta
Linken's Sphere
Butterfly
Satanic
Skadi

If I don't really need Linken's Sphere in that game then I'll get Battlefury. I know it seems like a bad item but 2600 for that nice amount of damage isn't that bad besides it helps to make up for the dmg you lose with Splitshot and you can always sell it and get a Buriza later on.
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AH.
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Skadi.
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its not the rapier build, its the dont build rapier with manta, and the anti treads statement thats fail.
rapier with manta =
treads gives dmg, survivability, mana
the three things you find most vital as medusa.
I agree with treads thing. That's pretty standard now.
However, DR & manta thing's right. DR damage doesn't go to manta images, so it's not that effective. But people usually get DR as last item, so it's not a problem practically because you've got enough stat for images (PT/linken/b'fly).
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