[Command] Hero Tint + Alternative models

[cc.jmk!]

Hey there ^^ i was just lamenting that so many models turned useless due to their similarity with other current heroes, and how some models are, in the eyes of lots of players, ruined for their tinted (Nevermore, Slardar and Lion for a quick reference), then got an idea :P Couldn't two commands like -water/-weather be added to change the hero's tint and model among alternative ones?

For instance -tint RR GG BB (being RR GG BB the numbers just like -water) would change the hero's tint to the RGB tint written. As not all heroes have the original tint for their model (normal tint is 255 255 255), writing something like -retint or -tint (Without any RGB defined) could return the hero to it's original tinting (Aside Nevermore, Slardar and Lion, other heroes that are tinted are Darkterror and N'aix; maybe other too, but i can remember those)

On the other hand, -alt X (X being a number between 0-3) will change the hero's model, being 0 the original model, and 1/2/3 the alternative models, where applicable. If a hero has only 1/2 alt models, or none at all, using an incompatible -alt number won't change anything. To prevent abuses (changing the model all the time can certainly cause confusion), the -alt command can ONLY be typed which the first 2mins of the match; That way, at the beginning you can select your alternative model, but must keep it for the rest of the game.

For the use of the -tint command, here's an example picture: The hero on the left is the original Firelord (tint 255 255 255); the one on the middle is actual Nevermore (whose tint value is 0 0 0); the one on the right is the Firelord model with -tint 0 255 0.



Here a table with possible alternative models/skins for heroes (* heroes can also be left appart for possible new heroes), and a picture showing some heroes with their alternative model; all heroes on the left are original, all heroes on the right are alternative.

Hero	Alt 1	Alt 2	Alt 3
Omniknight	Frostmourne Arthas	Uther*	Either regular Paladin or Dragen or Halahk (different coat/hair colours)*
Treant Protector	Corrupted Treant Protector
Bristleback	Brown Razormane	Armed Razormane (former model)
Dragon Knight	Bloodelf Leutenant
Magnataur	Black Magnataur	Brown Magnataur
Sacred Warrior	Troll Head-hunter*
Sandking	Gray Sandking
Tidehunter	Teal Tidehunter
Axe	Non-bloodlusted Axe
Chaos Knight	Bloodlusted Orc Raider*	Orc Raider*
Lycanthrope	Blue Demon (Archimond)	Eledar Warlock (purple)
Night Stalker	Regular Night Stalker (Current is Balnazzar's model)
Pit Lord	Green Pit Lord (Mannoroth)
Slithereen Guard	Naga Myrmidon
Undying	Dalaran Mutant (Blue)
Juggernaut	Unbloodlusted Juggernaut
Morphling	Water Elemental
Naga Siren	Naga Summoner (more colourful)
Stealth Assassin	Brown Satyr
Troll Warlord	Troll Trapper	Ice Troll (Maybe IT Trapper)	Dark Troll (Maybe DT Trapper)
Bounty Hunter	Regular Draenai (different weapon)	White Draenai
Faceless Void	Unbroken (oranje)
Geomancer	Kobold
Lightning Revenant	Revenant of the Waves (greenish and rotten)
Ursa Warrior	Panda Ursa	Ursa Warrior (lightbrown)	Ursa Shaman (has a coat)
Vengeful Spirit	Sentinel (Non-spirit model)
Murloc Nightcrawler	Murloc Trapper (different weapon)	Orange Nightcrawler	Teal Nightcrawler
Broodmother	Regular Spider (purple legs)	Forest Spider (teal legs)
Nerubian Weaver	Orange Weaver	Crypt Demon
Shadow Fiend	Shadow	(Regular Firelord is not included due to the -tint suggestion)
Venomancer	Zergling*
Keeper of the Light	Bandit Mage
Lord of Olympia	Regular Dwarven Mountain King
Prophet	Malfurion (Different coat)	Mounted Malfurion (Different Coat + mounted on a goat)
Windrunner	Blood Elven Archer
Invoker	Kael'thas model
Visage	Wivern (non-spirit)
Ogre Magi	Ogre Warrior*	Ogre Lord*
Shadow Priest	Troll Priest	Ice Troll Priest
Tormented Soul	Cenarius (non-spirit)
Death Prophet	Sylvanas Windrunner's Banshee (blueish)
Demon Witch	Non-bloodlusted Orc Warlock	(Regular Fel Orc Warlock is not included due to the -tint suggestion)
Necrolyte	Kel'thuzad (non-spirit)
Queen of Pain	Succubus (redish)
Warlock	Drak'thul (different coat, backpack and white hair)

[OmuBunta]

please add images of the models..

[cc.jmk!]

Damn, this'd take ages xD when Juggernaut logs on, so he helps me with that, i'd add images, i promise.

EDIT: Just seen ~Bob~ checking the thread =P damn, how i love OMG xD It's almost like having IceFrog commenting your posts :P uber-cool! o/

[cc.jmk!]

Sorry for the double post; i want to bump this on top of the other post (which was accidental) trying to avoid ppl to post there, and then find this post u.u happens a lot.

[jesusatan]

Originally Posted by jesusatan

It will cause confusion and will be abused. It will be better if a player would be able to switch his hero's model once per game. And you will reduce the number of free models by a lot.

copy/paste

[cc.jmk!]

Again, models taken away are really a few, and can simply not be included on the final available models, or be added, and then eventually removed if they are going to a hero suggestion.

There you have a picture showing several heroes with their alternative models; do you really think that, for instance, Mannoroth can eventually became a hero (the green Pit Lord), having Pit Lord on the game? they are almost exactly the same! they only have a different colour palette.

Other alternative models are slightly more different, like Chen's and Thrall's; they are quite akin, but if Thrall were to be an individual hero, you could just remove it from the alternative models' list.



About your other comment; how could this be abused? Thou i still agree that changing the model all the time would cause some confusion. For solving that, maybe the -alt command could only be used before the first creep wave spawns? It'd be similar to -ah command.

[Captain Planet]

Ok...the tinting is fine since that will be easy to code, but the alternative models is a bit harder and would require a bit too much effort I think. T-up for tinting but t-down for bonus models.

[Wurmple]

t-up for tinting
t-null for the models because of what juggernaut said

[Yendor]

The tint part has been suggested here:
http://www.playdota.com/forums/255959/pimp-your-hero/

The Model part has been suggested here:
http://www.playdota.com/forums/25532...me-so-why-not/

But as I T-UPed both of them and your sugegstion looks better in terms of presentation (and you have both in one):

T-UP

[cc.jmk!]

It should actually take as much work as it took for me to write the table, but writing the model's path instead of the name, and instead of a table, using a trigger similar to Tint (as Tint is changing the fields Graphic - Tint Colour (Red), Graphic - Tint Colour (Green), Graphic - Tint Colour (Blue)), but changing the field Graphic - Model File instead.

I presumme that the -tint command could be written on a single trigger, saving the 3 RGB values from the inputted -tint RR GG BB; on the other hand, the -alt command would too requite one trigger, but after saving the imputed number, would need to check the current model, and see which model corresponds to the alternative number written.

Yes, would be longer, but for sure commands like -switch, -swap, and of course every single game mode are tremendously longer; this is a work for a weekend :P

[Zephirdd]

t-up for both, altough the models-thing would take an eternity to be made.(by eternity I mean more than 5 minutes)

[cc.jmk!]

Originally Posted by Zephirdd

(by eternity I mean more than 5 minutes)

That's what i mean u.u

[gnaLor]

T-down. DotA is no ingame Editor. Dont destroy the heroes looks pls. Never is black. If you dont like this (what Id understand), suggest to change it. But then for everybody. This overcustomizing sucks.
I advise you to have a try in Mapping.

[cc.jmk!]

I did have my try on mapping. But i see no why this couldn't be accepted, having commands like -water and -weather already ingame, and the alternative courier models. It's EXACTLY the same.

[Xenath]

T-UP for tinting.
But with the alternative model etc, there are already method of doing this, but localised. So they only appear different on your screen, by using a similiar method to Dota Theme Manager. Making these changes, like DTM doesn't effect gameplay either. So if people really want to change the way heroes look, they can just do it themselves locally on their computers.
I can give screenshots if you want.

[cc.jmk!]

I'm familiar with the concept, don't worry. Still, that is much more complex and "permanent", and quite not user-friendly. Anyone can use -water commands, and in a big extent, -weather commands (many non-english speaking people has problems with spelling moonlight for instance :P but it's not that of a trouble).

Changing models within the PC is definitely more worksome (FOR THE USER) than typing -alt #.

[Xenath]

Originally Posted by ccjmk

Changing models within the PC is definitely more worksome (FOR THE USER) than typing -alt #.

You are right, I was just putting it out there. It is very time consuming yes.
But the option is there.

[cc.jmk!]

Time consuming, semi-permanent (you have to change things back to revert it), not user-friendly, and you'r directly modifying WC3's files for it, when it can simply be added with a short command, available for noobs and skilled ones on computing alike, without any MSI, without modifying any game files, without causing any gameplay change with it, and giving players variety.

Now the cons are..? That someone needs to sit and write the code? every single thing added to the game has the same con then, and everything that was implemented, WAS implemented even with it, so.. :P

[NoThlnG]

If it is for the user only, T-Up! Else, T-D

[cc.jmk!]

Originally Posted by NoThlnG

If it is for the user only, T-Up! Else, T-D

If it can be coded to be a user-only change, i wouldn't mind. Anyway, i'd still like it if it were global.