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Old 07-19-2010, 10:25 PM   #1
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Hello, i would like to start practicing an hero i play really really rarely.
I've tried to look at the guides but they seem outdated so i was wondering what is the item build and the skill build for necrolyte.

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Old 07-19-2010, 11:00 PM   #2
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Skill build is usually Aura/Pulse/Pulse/Sadist/Pulse/Ult/Pulse/Sadist x 3

Item build is quite flexible to be honest.
Fast BoT ensures your fast farm throughout the game, although not always doable.
Early Guinsoo is also very powerful if you can farm early.

In normal games, Tread/Mek/Soulring/Wand/Scepter/TPs is pretty solid build in most situation. But adjust your build according to enemy team.Throw in Hood against Casters, Pipe against AoE, Plate->Shivas against DPS etc...
Heart is also a good late-game addition.
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Old 07-19-2010, 11:17 PM   #3
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I like going vang-guinsoo route. But you can also go mek instead of vang/just rush guinsoo.

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NEVER BUY FUCKING AGHANIMS ON HIM
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I like going vang-guinsoo route. But you can also go mek instead of vang/just rush guinsoo.

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NEVER BUY FUCKING AGHANIMS ON HIM
I can't tell if this is a troll or not.

OT: Survivability= More spamming death pulse and more lingering effects of Heartstopper aura=Funzies for you. Unless you feel like ksing your teammates, you don't have to get Aghanims on him because you are support and shouldn't be taking kills but feel free to take it if you got some beefy enemies.

Skill depends on the lane, if you can easily get in some death pulses because they are melee, go for it. If they are harassing your ass with some long range, get Heartstopper. Sadist should only be gotten in conjunction with Death Pulse. Scythe is whenever possible.
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Old 07-19-2010, 11:31 PM   #5
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NEVER BUY FUCKING AGHANIMS ON HIM
Obviously, Scepter is not an optimal choice if you are farming well, because there are better items for similar price. But the reason I usually get it is because it is easy to make, helps you bit by bit, and give decent bonus for its price. Not in every game will you be able to farm item parts that are +2k easily. For one, I have seen many Necro replays where Necro gets early Orb+Void and unable to finish that Mystic for a long time, screwing up his entire game.
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Old 07-19-2010, 11:37 PM   #6
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Wand, RoB, Treads, Mek, Guinsoo, Shiva's. Replace Mek with Vanguard if you have a Pugna, Chen, Visage, or other Mek user.

If you have a mobile team with a lot of blinkers go Phase instead of Treads.

Soul Ring is a garbage item on him and BoT's are a waste of money.
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Old 07-19-2010, 11:42 PM   #7
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Aghanims is fine if you're not carrying.
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Old 07-19-2010, 11:46 PM   #8
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There was a VERY GOOD thread on dota-allstars explaining why aghanims is bad on necro. I tried to find it and save it with google cache but didn't find it. Sad.

Anyway aghanims is bad because it will only add like 200 damage to your ult if your enemies have 3k+ hps, and only if you hit it in the exactly right moment to get the maximum damage possible(impossible 99% of the time).

Also Necro is not a fucking supporter, he's a tank, and he has good farming skills to farm his guinsoo. Anyway, if you cant farm guinsoo you could get linkens after your vang/mek/both, it's not that hard to farm linkens.
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Old 07-19-2010, 11:49 PM   #9
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Ok its pretty simple

If your facing 2 heroes or they have a lot of tanky heroes, your going to need more than 1 level of aura. It doesn't matter whether you get pulse or aura at level one, just keep in mind UNLESS your facing a hero/heroes with mediocre health, you only take 1 lvl of aura to maximize % per level put in.

Next, many pros get phase boots. You should too

Next next, you can play many types of necrolyte, but he is a good semi-carry due to his ulti. The common build of mek is a cheap and can be gotten quickly. As for me, I find he has many mana problems despite sadist. Therefore, mana regen is always a good choice, hence scepter is just well..so so, seeing it only gives int. Obviously guinsoo is the best choice for any int hero. However, you can't always farm that much. Items that keep you in good shape like pers should be the core you focus on, because you can't always rely on farm.

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Old 07-19-2010, 11:54 PM   #10
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tank up with any combination of mek vang hood(/cloak) you find appropriate for your game, then farm guinsoo. good late game extensions include shiva/hot/ac/linkens.
boots it depends, all 3 are decent for necro.
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Old 07-19-2010, 11:55 PM   #11
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If you can't farm a guinsoo with freaking necro then gg.

Anyway i usually leave normal boots/upgrade into travels later or if i'm getting imba farm. If you really want to upgrade boots not into travels, go threads. You're a tank, not a chaser. Attributes are useful.
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travels linkens shiva heart.
1 point in ha max pulse and sadist ulti whenever possible then max ha.
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If you can farm that magic staff to get shiva you may aswell get guinsoo you know. It increases your dota skillz by 1337.
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Aduh Awas wrote a very good guide for Necro. Look for it. It's not outdated. Soul ring is a must.
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yes, i have to agree that was a serious post, id rather opt for bloodstone than aghanim, go for BoT / phase+bracers if you are not farming well

1: aura/pulse, personal preference thing, i go for pulse.
2: aura/pulse
3: pulse
4: sadist
5: pulse
6: ulti
7: pulse
8: max either aura or pulse, with good mana management and soul ring you can skip sadist and go aura(stats if you are one of those people who thinks aura is useless.) I usually skip sadist and opt for aura though sadist is a must have late game for mass spamming/farming.
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Start off with salve, 3 tangos, 2 mantles (lol i said slippers before), 2 GGBranches. Get Ptreads, Mek, Ult orb, void stone, then mystic staff for the sheep stick. Don't get ult stick, not worth it. For late game you can get deso and/or shivas. The last two items are luxury items and usually won't reach. If you do reach that point, get shivas first.

For skill build I like to max pulse and sadist, getting ult at level 6. This helps to ensure you can farm well and spam pulse. I personally believe that aura is highly situational and it can be good, but sadist is just better for farming(opinion). After maxing pulse and sadist, max out aura then stats.

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I see no point in getting soul ring when you have a move that gives you mana back. You simply need to last hit and spam your pulse. Soul ring is a waste on Necro, in my opinion.
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slippers, deso and no stick

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GGBranches go into Mek, but magic stick is fine to get as well. kthx?
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necro is a tank, carrier and good farming so is not hard to rush guinsoo early
if you cant do that, go buy bloodstone
aghanims is not bad item, it's increase the change to kill the enemy hero and it give a lot of stats
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Pulse HS Pulse HS Pulse Ult Pulse HS HS
Linken's->Shiva/Hex->BoT->HoT/EoS
Aghanims is quite meh, except if rushed.
Situationals include Blink, Force, Eul's, Hood, Blademail, BKB, Mek
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Radiance works fine sometimes
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Ult/Pulse/Aura/Sadist
The great thing with Necro is that he does pretty well without a shitload of items. Personally I can carry with Necro with little so I often let carries farm more.
Generally my build is like Treads/Mantles/Urn/Mekasm then like Ghost/Force are just so useful and nifty + cheap!
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I prefer:

1 - Death Pulse
2 - Sadist
3 - Death Pulse
4 - Sadist
5 - Death Pulse
6 - Reaper
7 - Death Pulse

Max Death Pulse first followed by Sadist and HA while getting Reaper whenever you can. Death Pulse for that damage, and Sadist is for that mana recovery since I get Vanguard/Hood first before any form of passive item mana regeneration. HA/Reaper is self-explanatory.

As for starting items assuming it's a 5v5 (603g):

Stout/Stick/Wand + 3 branches + Eaters

My core item is Magic Stick + Boots/Phase/Treads/BoT + Vanguard/Defiance + TP.

Get Phase when you need to have that extra MS but cannot afford BoT. Get Treads if you need that extra switch in attribute bonus, and BoT is for the mobility.

Next items will be:

If I'm being pushed I tend to get Shiva's Guard, if my team is pushing Guinsoo is the better choice. I tend to get both items though and usually the game ends here. If the game prolongs, getting an AC/Heart/Skadi is my choice. Oh and be sure to upgrade your boots/phase/treads to BoT if you are running out of inventory slots. And if you are being focused a lot you can get Blade Mail as an alternative.
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If you're solo mid then get Pulse at lvl1, if not, get aura. Don't level sadist past 2.
Get magic stick, don't get bottle. Phase boots are good but BoT are of course better. Meka is a great item on Necro. Bstone is a common item on necro, it gives him everything he needs. Guinsoo is situational. If someone else is rushing guinsoo, get shivas instead.
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Early ring of basilius is great on him for the +3 armor, he has such a low base. Combined with a Mek and str treads youre very tanky early game allready. I usually get a vanguard on top of the mek but most people take either one. Then the ult orb and finish guinsoo.
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Quick Necro Guide - DotA Guides

Quick read that should prove helpful.
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My skill build is:
pulse/aura/pulse/sadist/pulse/ulti/pulse/sadist/sadist/sadist/ulti/aura/aura/aura/stats/ulti

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soul ring/meka/ (agha or shivas depends of who are my enemies)/boT/guinsoo
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Why is Soul Ring not appealing for him? It's invaluable for any healer with early mana problems... You sue soul Ring, loose some HP then cat Pulse and get it right back! That's a free AOE nuke and teamheal every 30 seconds.
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I NEVER lvl up Sadist instead I go for attribute.
My skill build: 211A141AAA....
Necrolyte damages over time, look at his skills. HS dps, nuke has short CD. So I opt for survivability: PT/BoT (he's often a pusher not a ganker), Shivas, Guinsoo, Meka, Urn, Basilius, HoT, Linkens.
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I NEVER lvl up Sadist instead I go for attribute.
My skill build: 211A141AAA....
Necrolyte damages over time, look at his skills. HS dps, nuke has short CD. So I opt for survivability: PT/BoT (he's often a pusher not a ganker), Shivas, Guinsoo, Meka, Urn, Basilius, HoT, Linkens.
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Quick read that should prove helpful.
I read it fastly, and I'd have to add on the last part don't pick necro against armor reducers aka nevermore/venge combo or slardar because they will rape him, and he needs to last long. If you still got it go RoB and meka for sure.
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thanks but how comes i didn't find it O_o ? is it still not published ?
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BoT is core imho
After that you can go Tank or Support
Tank -> Vanguard/HoD/Heart/Shiva
Support -> Mek(must have)/Guinsoo
Oh and get aura when vs enemies with no passive regen items, otherwise go sadist. Sadist is like pure rape.
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Start off with salve, 3 tangos, 2 mantles (lol i said slippers before), 2 GGBranches. Get Ptreads, Mek, Ult orb, void stone, then mystic staff for the sheep stick. Don't get ult stick, not worth it. For late game you can get deso and/or shivas. The last two items are luxury items and usually won't reach. If you do reach that point, get shivas first.

For skill build I like to max pulse and sadist, getting ult at level 6. This helps to ensure you can farm well and spam pulse. I personally believe that aura is highly situational and it can be good, but sadist is just better for farming(opinion). After maxing pulse and sadist, max out aura then stats.



I see no point in getting soul ring when you have a move that gives you mana back. You simply need to last hit and spam your pulse. Soul ring is a waste on Necro, in my opinion.
With Necro's attack animation, and mediocre damage it's rather hard to last hit against heroes with better attack animation (And lot of them have better animation then Necro) . And you have to kill number of creeps to replenish your mana enough for Pulse. Soul Ring lets you spam it. So - Sacrifice --> Death Pulse.
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^ sorry but necro animation looks quite nice to me.
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Why is Soul Ring not appealing for him? It's invaluable for any healer with early mana problems... You sue soul Ring, loose some HP then cat Pulse and get it right back! That's a free AOE nuke and teamheal every 30 seconds.
It's 800g for an item that gives him 0 HP, 0 armor, and mana he doesn't need when he has Sadist and RoB aura. The only justification for getting Soul Ring is if you're really terrible at last hitting.
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Necro is one of those heroes where you should not choose your skill until you see your lane. It often pays to get 1 lvl of aura early game since it almost completely negates opponent heroes passive regen. This is huge with just a few harassing hits. My build often ends up being Aura,pulse,pulse,sadist,pulse,ulti,pulse,sadist etc.

As for items my core build is almost always: Wand, Basilius, Str Treads, Meka,
Ulti orb -> Guinsoo.
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There was a VERY GOOD thread on dota-allstars explaining why aghanims is bad on necro. I tried to find it and save it with google cache but didn't find it. Sad.

Anyway aghanims is bad because it will only add like 200 damage to your ult if your enemies have 3k+ hps, and only if you hit it in the exactly right moment to get the maximum damage possible(impossible 99% of the time).

Also Necro is not a fucking supporter, he's a tank, and he has good farming skills to farm his guinsoo. Anyway, if you cant farm guinsoo you could get linkens after your vang/mek/both, it's not that hard to farm linkens.
I agree on the ulti party,sucks. Other than that it gives 400hp and 280mp as well

OT : You can go the support way (Hex---> Shivas--->Pipe---> Meka etc.) or the I R CARRY 1v5 route, which revolves around auras and autoattacks, like Radiance ---> Skadi ----> Cuirass. You can just autoattack them to death

Soul Ring is a must, get 1 lvl of sadist and max Pulse + Aura imo
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Old 07-20-2010, 04:29 PM   #38
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Getting Hex on Necrolyte doesn't make him a support...
Mek + Ghost Staff really rapes physical DPSERs. Add Force Staff to be a faggot. Necrolyte needs to live and let his aura and spamming Pulse's do the work and then ult.
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Both, the item and skill build are REALLY flexible and you should addapt it to the game. Because of his aura/pulse he is a good semy carry and because of his ulti/heal he is a good supporter.

Item build:
Soul Ring
Boots
Urn and/or Wand and/or Bracers
Str PT
Meka or Shiva
then: Radiance or Guinso
and then: Skadi or Heart

Skill build:
Pulse
Sadist
Pulse
Sadist
Pulse
Reaper
Pulse
Sadist
Sadist
Aura
Reaper
Aura
Aura
Aura
Stats
Reaper

You can delay Sadist for Stats if you need the HP (for example in a really hard lane).
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Max Pulse first for obvious reasons, 1 Aura is nice for harass. I like taking Sadist to at least level 3 if not maxed. Reason being, it simply increases your mana pool. I never see how it's wasted. If you have full mana all the time, you're not spamming Pulse enough. In battle it works a lot like a Strygwyr with Radiance. You get mana back without trying by killing nearby creeps. Necro can never have enough mana.
I don't usually find Soul Ring necessary whatsoever. Also, maxing Sadist allows you to go Mystic or Ult Orb before Void Stone, if for some reason you have the money. Both Meka and Vanguard work, though I recommend Meka for a more competitive/coordinated game, or if you're pushing. I like Treads on him for extra HP/Mana, but I can see Phase on him, though be careful not to cancel it right away with Pulse. Lastly, I don't like Agha on him either, but I don't like to say "never."
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