[Misc] Guide to Ganking

TheBloodseeker · 07-25-2010, 05:00 AM

Hero Types

A carry hero is the biggest trump card your team has to win.
They will farm experience and gold very heavily early game, and mid game they will continue to farm and try their best to stay alive, whereas late game they are performing ganks and counter pushing. The best way to play a carry hero is to bring the late game into reality as fast as you can, this can be accomplished with purchasing the key item your hero requires to go beyond godlike or just to get level 16. When it comes to ganking, a carry must think of No.1, that is to stay alive at all costs. Leaving teammates behind to die is necessary if it would mean your demise. Carry heroes work best with team co-operation, where the carry gets final kill on most or all heroes and towers.

	Kelens Dagger is a very useful item for heroes that require close combat or close skill combos. The Dagger is is also useful as an escape tool, and can be utilized with Eul's Scepter of Divinity for quick combo. The only draw backs to dagger is the damage prevention which disallows you to blink after taking damage, and also when you cannot blink into unexplored areas.
	Magic stick and Magic Wand both provide an early game quick mana fix for last minute survivability or stun casting. Using these only when they are full are a great way to get that last hit, and also great for getting away. The only drawback is when they become useless mid game.
	Soul Ring is a useful mana fix for quick spams or survival skills. Use wisely and don't overdue your fix, they 150 hp removal can add up if you do not have a way to regen the HP back. The greatest thing about Soul Ring is you can activate at full mana, and it work just the same.
	Urn of Shadows is the single greatest item you can get with your carry, enabling you to continue a rampage of damage without having to retreat for healing. Using this with Soul Ring is a phenomenal way to ensure good game faster. Just stay in rage of each kill and use the charges as much as can, that includes healing your wingman. The best part is you can deal 200 dmg over 8 seconds, this will remove bottles, salves, and blink dagger at more than 800 range.
	Bottle is a good solo item, as long as you have a crow to utilize with it early game. Bottle provides a wonderful fix of health and mana, at any given 3 intervals. Ensures a longer time farming your lane if you can micro a crow with it. This item is still not as effective as Urn of Shadows + Soul Ring.
	Linkens Sphere is a descent counter to 90% of the spells casted on your carry, making them survive most stuns. This item is not as useful as Black King Bar, since any further spells within 20 seconds still effect you, but it does counter spells that can go through magic immunity. This is a great way to counter tough spells like Hex, Doom and Fiends Grip.
	Armlet Of Mordiggian is a great fix for 475 hp on the spot, and if your carry is a strength hero, it will grant wonderful damage and attack speed bonuses. Using Armlet to survive big spams, or damage over time spells is a very simple and effective. This is a staple item for most strength carries, and late game replaced with Heart of Terrasque or Satanic.
	Mask of Madness is not only a staple on any hero with a bash, but a wonderful asset to any hero that needs a quick ais fix. Getting this on Void, Slardar or Spirit Breaker ensures an instant kill on any victim.
	Blademail may not seem too impressive at first, but is an epic counter to any big shot carries on the other team. Dealing 100% damage back to the target will instant kill annoying late game carries like Phantom Assassin, Ursa, and Spectre.
	Black King Bar could save your life and redirect all spams from you to another target for a short period of time. This can allow you to easily walk into the enemy lines to cast a huge spell or just to escape a 4 hero gank against you.
	Monkey King Bar is the single greatest item for late game carries. This not only nullifies enemy evasion skills and items, but has a built in mini stun to grant extra damage and destroy teleporters. This item should be a staple to any carry, especially if they are ranged.
	Diffusal Blade is a great way to say "i rape everyone" without typing in game. Once you get this item, melee or ranged, you will notice your score start to even. Using the purge ability will allow you to chase fleeing heroes and slow down their carries. Comboing this item with Vladmirs Offering (Melee Heroes) will allow a way to get great lifesteal bonuses.
	Radiance can knock the balance of the game right off its fulcrum. With this item, you can now solo waves easily, and farm at least 4x faster than without it. This item is staple on heroes that create illusions or benefit from creep bodies. This item works while you are invisible, and cancels sleep if you have a Bane Elemental on your team, so be cautious.

A Support hero is feeble and easy prey, but provides a wonderful bonus to lane control.
They are not to be confused with Wingman heroes, they are not the same and the difference is not only major, but a mistake that leads many teams into a losing zone. Support heroes are useless on their own and too slow or awkward to gank with a carry early to mid game, but wonderful when with their team pushing a lane. They can provide much needed long range damage, slows, stuns, disables or vision. Support heroes are basically the bitch of the team, they buy the wards, the mana regen, the health regen and some AOE effects that can assist other heroes other than the support hero.

Gank Styles

A flanking gank is where you surround the enemy, blocking possible exits before hand. You can do this with other heroes, or trapping spells like Fissure and Stun Mine. This style of gank is most commonly used in pubs, where the player base has not any pre-meditated plans and attacks a single unit from all sides. It is effective against a single hero gank, and if the enemy did not place wards strategically to escape the gank.

Glossary

This section will be edited when people respond with questions about terminology.

FunnyWarfare · 08-02-2010, 09:38 AM

Nice idea, but I really can't agree with most of the hero statistics... ah btw some of the Icons are a bit messed up, Mirana shows Lycan's stats.

TheBloodseeker · 08-03-2010, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunnyWarfare

Nice idea, but I really can't agree with most of the hero statistics... ah btw some of the Icons are a bit messed up, Mirana shows Lycan's stats.

Statistics are temporary, i fix them every so often. thanks for the heads up of the icons.

Keep in mind, i am not done yet. So what you see is not the final production

Nikmar-official · 08-03-2010, 06:31 AM

I agree with this guy above, this is a great idea even tho I don't agree with some details, for example a carry hero doesn't gank constantly. You can be a ganker early on if you go solo and still carry your team later.
However, I support your guide and I can't wait to see the final results.

TheBloodseeker · 08-03-2010, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikmar-official

I agree with this guy above, this is a great idea even tho I don't agree with some details, for example a carry hero doesn't gank constantly. You can be a ganker early on if you go solo and still carry your team later.

Nikmar-official · 08-03-2010, 07:48 AM

Epic picture.

FunnyWarfare · 08-03-2010, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBloodseeker

Statistics are temporary, i fix them every so often. thanks for the heads up of the icons.

Keep in mind, i am not done yet. So what you see is not the final production

Hey am I flaming you? I'm just tryin to help

wesai · 08-03-2010, 06:28 PM

Nice idea!

Yes some statistics needs a few changes, but I would love to see this finished.

Nice concept, this will sure help a lot of noobs (like me?). Keep on working on it. ^^

TheBloodseeker · 08-11-2011, 06:34 AM

I am done, and now officially open this Guide for review. I will treat all your opinions greatly and will change anything that does not fit correctly. Feel free to complain or compliment, as long as you provide feedback you will be marked down as a contributor.

Thanks in advance and remember, i started writing this guide almost 1 year ago

FlaMe · 08-12-2011, 08:52 AM

I would've added clockwork bb and maybe centaur in Rambo.

TheBloodseeker · 08-12-2011, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlaMe

I would've added clockwork bb and maybe centaur in Rambo.

Alright, will do. Thanks for the feed back. It is still missing a few heroes now that i think about it, I posted it before Tuskar/AA/Pheonix.

Lady.Liuwa · 08-12-2011, 07:07 PM

well its looks really neat. I dont have the time or will to read of all it atm, but ive skimmed through it. And a lot of it is give or take. Like the %'s you gave to the heroes. And the placing of the heroes, what counts as a tank what not etc. I would def add pipe to tanks btw. I don't really see the point of the items where you discuss the heroes but maybe thats me. I see the point of a quick overview of different types of heroes and their relationship to ganking, sure. About the placement of heroes before a gank i think it would be good to add pictures, but this is still quite a lot of work, and it seems you want to keep things simple compact and to the point, looking very clear. Havent noticed any major flaws while skimming through it so gj.

TheBloodseeker · 08-13-2011, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady.Liuwa

well its looks really neat. I dont have the time or will to read of all it atm, but ive skimmed through it. And a lot of it is give or take. Like the %'s you gave to the heroes. And the placing of the heroes, what counts as a tank what not etc. I would def add pipe to tanks btw. I don't really see the point of the items where you discuss the heroes but maybe thats me. I see the point of a quick overview of different types of heroes and their relationship to ganking, sure. About the placement of heroes before a gank i think it would be good to add pictures, but this is still quite a lot of work, and it seems you want to keep things simple compact and to the point, looking very clear. Havent noticed any major flaws while skimming through it so gj.

alright, good eye on the pipe. I will work on pictures for the placement.

Kechon · 08-13-2011, 04:22 AM

Nice guide.

Could you explain the reasoning behind the percentages?

For example, the differences between the carrying efficiency during the mid game of Medusa and Spectre. Wouldn't Spectre be a much larger threat with VG/Radiance than Medusa with Linkin's/DPS-item at 30 minutes (exiting the middle stage) of the game?

TheBloodseeker · 08-13-2011, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kechon

Nice guide.

Could you explain the reasoning behind the percentages?

For example, the differences between the carrying efficiency during the mid game of Medusa and Spectre. Wouldn't Spectre be a much larger threat with VG/Radiance than Medusa with Linkin's/DPS-item at 30 minutes (exiting the middle stage) of the game?

Mid game is anywhere After the first tower is down (usually starts somewhere between 8-14 minutes) and until the first level 3 tower is touched by an enemy team (usually 22-34 minutes).

It is true, i have seen specters farm radiance in 20 minutes. But with the statistics we have to be realistic, as soon as spectre gets the radiance, it will be within 2-4 minutes until late game kicks in. So his "Radiance" rating is considered late game, not mid.

Adyalauder · 08-13-2011, 10:16 AM

The Rambo Heroes section is fucked up. messy krobe pics evrywhere
9.8/10 tho.

__gan_K_ing__ · 08-13-2011, 10:37 AM

Out of curiosity, where are you getting your "efficiency %" stats from?

TheBloodseeker · 08-13-2011, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by __gan_K_ing__

Out of curiosity, where are you getting your "efficiency %" stats from?

When i wrote this, it was with my last clan. We went through based on experience and watching other league teams play.

SO, if you have stats that could possible prove otherwise, feel free. It is a simple edit to get it correct

SkyHawk_911 · 08-24-2011, 01:12 PM

There is only 4 hero Roles in dota Carry,Utility,Ganker and Supporter

So in Carry section there are most of heros that will not able to carry Lanaya,Seeker,Huskar,Veno,Viper,Bounty,Ursa,Bala,P otM,Slark,Slardar

FaintE · 08-25-2011, 09:31 AM

Stopped reading when no Chen in "pushers".

08-02-2010, 09:38 AM	#2
FunnyWarfare Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 1,624 Blog Entries: 1	New Comment Nice idea, but I really can't agree with most of the hero statistics... ah btw some of the Icons are a bit messed up, Mirana shows Lycan's stats.

08-03-2010, 06:31 AM	#4
Nikmar-official Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Croatia Posts: 278	Re: Guide to Ganking I agree with this guy above, this is a great idea even tho I don't agree with some details, for example a carry hero doesn't gank constantly. You can be a ganker early on if you go solo and still carry your team later. However, I support your guide and I can't wait to see the final results.

08-03-2010, 07:48 AM	#6
Nikmar-official Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Croatia Posts: 278	Re: Guide to Ganking Epic picture.

08-03-2010, 06:28 PM	#8
wesai Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,591	Re: Guide to Ganking Nice idea! Yes some statistics needs a few changes, but I would love to see this finished. Nice concept, this will sure help a lot of noobs (like me?). Keep on working on it. ^^

08-11-2011, 06:34 AM	#9
TheBloodseeker Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,574	Re: Guide to Ganking I am done, and now officially open this Guide for review. I will treat all your opinions greatly and will change anything that does not fit correctly. Feel free to complain or compliment, as long as you provide feedback you will be marked down as a contributor. Thanks in advance and remember, i started writing this guide almost 1 year ago __________________ Dota Comics \| Guide to Ganking \| Skin & Model Edit Guide \| Join PoPD DotA 2 Group

08-12-2011, 08:52 AM	#10
FlaMe Forum Staff Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,165 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Guide to Ganking I would've added clockwork bb and maybe centaur in Rambo. __________________ If you're interested in 3D game design click here 真実はいつもひとつ Join The IceFrog Fans Club Now! He who breathes with fire. He is the hyena killer.

08-12-2011, 07:07 PM	#12
Lady.Liuwa Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 436	Re: Guide to Ganking well its looks really neat. I dont have the time or will to read of all it atm, but ive skimmed through it. And a lot of it is give or take. Like the %'s you gave to the heroes. And the placing of the heroes, what counts as a tank what not etc. I would def add pipe to tanks btw. I don't really see the point of the items where you discuss the heroes but maybe thats me. I see the point of a quick overview of different types of heroes and their relationship to ganking, sure. About the placement of heroes before a gank i think it would be good to add pictures, but this is still quite a lot of work, and it seems you want to keep things simple compact and to the point, looking very clear. Havent noticed any major flaws while skimming through it so gj. __________________ My Heroes

08-13-2011, 04:22 AM	#14
Kechon Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 304	Re: Guide to Ganking Nice guide. Could you explain the reasoning behind the percentages? For example, the differences between the carrying efficiency during the mid game of Medusa and Spectre. Wouldn't Spectre be a much larger threat with VG/Radiance than Medusa with Linkin's/DPS-item at 30 minutes (exiting the middle stage) of the game?

08-13-2011, 10:16 AM	#16
Adyalauder Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia Posts: 1,263	Re: Guide to Ganking The Rambo Heroes section is fucked up. messy krobe pics evrywhere 9.8/10 tho. __________________ Hates Trolls, Loves Food Blink.Echo.Rampage Tag: Sig by SZADEK

08-13-2011, 10:37 AM	#17
__gan_K_ing__ Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 84	Re: Guide to Ganking Out of curiosity, where are you getting your "efficiency %" stats from? __________________ Is your game lagging and your FPS under 30? Double it by doing this. There's so much mindless spoon-fed crap that "people hear other people say." Just ignore it and actually consider what's being said.

08-24-2011, 01:12 PM	#19
SkyHawk_911 Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 344	New Comment There is only 4 hero Roles in dota Carry,Utility,Ganker and Supporter So in Carry section there are most of heros that will not able to carry Lanaya,Seeker,Huskar,Veno,Viper,Bounty,Ursa,Bala,P otM,Slark,Slardar

08-25-2011, 09:31 AM	#20
FaintE Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland Posts: 18	Re: Guide to Ganking Stopped reading when no Chen in "pushers".