[Remake] Healing Ward --> Nirvana

Megas · 07-27-2010, 06:04 PM

Why this change?

Healing Ward is a counter-productive skill, since Yurnero has low mana pool... And early game it's regen is useless... So i'm changing this skill to increase his Carry ability

Nirvana - (Active)

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Ability Type: Active

Targeting Type: Self

Ability Hotkey: R

Yurnero enters in a state of omniscience, boosting his body and mind powers. When used, Yurnero will quicly respond to damage and all types of regenaration will be boosted.

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	Mana	Cooldown	C. Range	AoE	Duration	Effects
1	100	25	Self	N/A	5s	While this skill is active all attacks has 20% to be countered for 100% of the damage received and any heal and mana regen is increased by 100%.
2	100	25	Self	N/A	5s	While this skill is active all attacks has 30% to be countered for 100% of the damage received and any heal and mana regen is increased by 100%.
3	100	25	Self	N/A	5s	While this skill is active all attacks has 40% to be countered for 100% of the damage received and any heal and mana regen is increased by 100%.
4	100	25	Self	N/A	5s	While this skill is active all attacks has 50% to be countered for 100% of the damage received and any heal and mana regen is increased by 100%

Notes:
• Healing boosted is both mana and hp regen
• Direct heals like Meka/Nature Attendents are doubled too.
• Regen itens are doubled
• Any attack is counterable, only the damage, not orb effects.
• Only work during the time it's active
• Lifesteal is doubled too
• Still take normal damage
• Only counters attacks

Quote:

When used, Yurnero will glow... During this time, any incoming attack will be countered by the same damaged. Heals such HP regen/MP regen are boosted by 100%. So if he is healed by 150 during this state. He will be healed by 300.

BiH-Kira · 07-27-2010, 07:25 PM

Interesting concept, but way to strong.
Either scale the duration or the damage block, not both.

T-up on concept, t-down on scaling.

Megas · 07-27-2010, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BiH-Kira

Interesting concept, but way to strong.
Either scale the duration or the damage block, not both.

T-up on concept, t-down on scaling.

There's no damage block! He takes the full damage... But counters with a % of his attack damage! But I will rework the balance!

Unnamed_ · 07-27-2010, 07:59 PM

Check for codeability.I am fairly certain this can't properly be done.

Megas · 07-27-2010, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Unnamed_

Check for codeability.I am fairly certain this can't properly be done.

Why it can't be code ? The counter part or the healing part ?

For the counter, I think if we add a dummy unit that gives only him a torns aura based on his damage...

And the healing... Just add a 100% trigger healing based on heal...

I don't know how coding work... But maybe it can be done!

doomed2die · 07-27-2010, 09:31 PM

Probably the counter part. There's no assured way as far as I know to count the damage dealt by a person with items, etc.

For the healing, yeah do a triggered evasion based on any time his health goes up, up it again.

Megas · 07-27-2010, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by doomed2die

Probably the counter part. There's no assured way as far as I know to count the damage dealt by a person with items, etc.

For the healing, yeah do a triggered evasion based on any time his health goes up, up it again.

If is totally uncodeable, I'm going to change it

BiH-Kira · 07-28-2010, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megas

There's no damage block! He takes the full damage... But counters with a % of his attack damage! But I will rework the balance!

Hmmm... Don't know why I thought that the "counter with X%" is damage block. I read it wrong, probable.
The new numbers are much better then the one i read earlier.

MuchMore · 07-28-2010, 02:42 AM

Why damage counter?
yurnero is not meant to be taking damage. If he is focused is more likely that you will use ulti or escape if you are taking to much damage. And if he activates this skill is more likely that enemies will stop attacking him.
Maybe change to a direct damage boost to synergyse with the critical or add a non orb effect the attack.

mobus · 07-28-2010, 02:50 AM

isnt there some hon version of jugg that has this (or lol) i dont know i dont play that shit but i do know it fails in theory because giving one hero so much dps ability ( all 4 skills would be now if this were case) makes a hero imba. 2 big t-downs

Megas · 07-28-2010, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuchMore

Why damage counter?
yurnero is not meant to be taking damage. If he is focused is more likely that you will use ulti or escape if you are taking to much damage. And if he activates this skill is more likely that enemies will stop attacking him.
Maybe change to a direct damage boost to synergyse with the critical or add a non orb effect the attack.

What u said is confusing.

Quote:

Why damage counter?
yurnero is not meant to be taking damage

Quote:

And if he activates this skill is more likely that enemies will stop attacking him.

So, you agree with me ? xD

Lotus V Eater · 07-28-2010, 03:12 AM

great...just dont make it block damage, but just boost any of your hp/mana regen when you're being attack...very2 nice concept..

instant T-UP from me...and that icon do look nice on Yurnero too..

virtviuz · 07-28-2010, 04:42 AM

So if yurnero has 50 damage all incoming attacks are reduced by (50*.6) = 30, please clarify. I like your icon by the way.

Coding...
hmm, not sure but there's a theory in my head that a dummy unit with 0 armor and 999999+++ life can be used to measure the damage. Making a hero attack that dummy will help us measure the hero's base damage. (item effects, orbs, bashes, critical strikes, etc. should be disabled when measuring the damage.) so many issues will be encountered thou: seeing the hp bar of the dummy unit and being able to click it are a few of this problem.

Optional suggestion...
Base it on yurnero's agi since increasing his agi will still benefit his omnislash and blade dance skills.

Megas · 07-28-2010, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by virtviuz

So if yurnero has 50 damage all incoming attacks are reduced by (50*.6) = 30, please clarify. I like your icon by the way.

Coding...
hmm, not sure but there's a theory in my head that a dummy unit with 0 armor and 999999+++ life can be used to measure the damage. Making a hero attack that dummy will help us measure the hero's base damage. (item effects, orbs, bashes, critical strikes, etc. should be disabled when measuring the damage.) so many issues will be encountered thou: seeing the hp bar of the dummy unit and being able to click it are a few of this problem.

Optional suggestion...
Base it on yurnero's agi since increasing his agi will still benefit his omnislash and blade dance skills.

Counter means that when you take damage, you take this damage and counter with a attack

ninguem · 07-28-2010, 02:53 PM

Change "counter" to "return". The analogy with Centaur will make it more obvious.

PALAKOKAK · 08-01-2010, 11:26 AM

Why is it called nirvana? i know what nirvana means but i don't get it!

fr0zenknife · 08-01-2010, 11:31 AM

t-up

Shadow Fury · 08-01-2010, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BiH-Kira

T-up on concept

This.

aestropher · 08-01-2010, 03:55 PM

Maybe this as the ult and Omnislash the 2nd skill? Anyways interesting remake.

Megas · 08-01-2010, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PALAKOKAK

Why is it called nirvana? i know what nirvana means but i don't get it!

I'm not very good with numbers guys! So only T-Up based on concept!

Nirvana is a state of mind, where the mind enters in a state of pure calm...

It has a deep explanation, but the main part is it!

07-27-2010, 07:25 PM	#2
BiH-Kira Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 2,604 Blog Entries: 2	Re: [Remake] Healing Ward --> Nirvana Interesting concept, but way to strong. Either scale the duration or the damage block, not both. T-up on concept, t-down on scaling. __________________ Signature My item remake suggestions My aghanims suggestions Part of the 'Suggestions Review thread'. If you have a request for a review of your remake suggestion, please send a private message.

07-27-2010, 07:59 PM	#4
Unnamed_ Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 5,655	Re: [Remake] Healing Ward --> Nirvana Check for codeability.I am fairly certain this can't properly be done.

07-27-2010, 09:31 PM	#6
doomed2die Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,734	Re: [Remake] Healing Ward --> Nirvana Probably the counter part. There's no assured way as far as I know to count the damage dealt by a person with items, etc. For the healing, yeah do a triggered evasion based on any time his health goes up, up it again. __________________ Please check out my suggestions; especially if I checked yours Originality: What is it? Why do I need it? How do I make something original? BB Codes: The guide

07-28-2010, 02:42 AM	#9
MuchMore Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 31	Re: [Remake] Healing Ward --> Nirvana Why damage counter? yurnero is not meant to be taking damage. If he is focused is more likely that you will use ulti or escape if you are taking to much damage. And if he activates this skill is more likely that enemies will stop attacking him. Maybe change to a direct damage boost to synergyse with the critical or add a non orb effect the attack.

07-28-2010, 02:50 AM	#10
mobus Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 647	Re: [Remake] Healing Ward --> Nirvana isnt there some hon version of jugg that has this (or lol) i dont know i dont play that shit but i do know it fails in theory because giving one hero so much dps ability ( all 4 skills would be now if this were case) makes a hero imba. 2 big t-downs

07-28-2010, 04:42 AM	#13
virtviuz Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: philippines Posts: 536 Blog Entries: 2	Re: [Remake] Healing Ward --> Nirvana So if yurnero has 50 damage all incoming attacks are reduced by (50.6) = 30, please clarify. I like your icon by the way. Coding... hmm, not sure but there's a theory in my head that a dummy unit with 0 armor and 999999+++ life can be used to measure the damage. Making a hero attack that dummy will help us measure the hero's base damage. (item effects, orbs, bashes, critical strikes, etc. should be disabled when measuring the damage.) so many issues will be encountered thou: seeing the hp bar of the dummy unit and being able to click it are a few of this problem. Optional suggestion... Base it on yurnero's agi since increasing his agi will still benefit his omnislash and blade dance skills. __________________ Viper Overhaul:*

07-28-2010, 02:53 PM	#15
ninguem Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 613	Re: [Remake] Healing Ward --> Nirvana Change "counter" to "return". The analogy with Centaur will make it more obvious.

08-01-2010, 11:31 AM	#17
fr0zenknife Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,435	Re: [Remake] Healing Ward --> Nirvana t-up

08-01-2010, 03:55 PM	#19
aestropher Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,109	Re: [Remake] Healing Ward --> Nirvana Maybe this as the ult and Omnislash the 2nd skill? Anyways interesting remake.